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[David7204]

See, people say that, but I'm guessing that if it actually happened few people would care.

Humans generally aren't as complex as they like to think they are.

Modifié par David7204, 19 octobre 2013 - 11:34 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

See, people say that, but I'm guessing that if it actually happened few people would care.

Humans generally aren't as complex as they like to think they are.

I'm curious, are you trying to make every single person on this forum hate you?

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

See, people say that, but I'm guessing that if it actually happened few people would care.

Humans generally aren't as complex as they like to think they are.

Do you have any idea how complex even the most basic of thought processes is, as if I need to ask?

[ruggly]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...


I'm actually one of the most vocal Geth defenders on the BSN, and may I say it with much arrogance, one of the best.

You should meet paradox1123 from the ME subreddit.  Huge Geth fan, and severely disappointed with what they turned into.

[Steelcan]

Br3ad wrote...

David7204 wrote...

See, people say that, but I'm guessing that if it actually happened few people would care.

Humans generally aren't as complex as they like to think they are.

Do you have any idea how complex even the most basic of thought processes is, as if I need to ask?

He does think that brain damage isn't that serious....

[MegaSovereign]

Oh here we go. This thread is essentially dead now.

[Steelcan]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Oh here we go. This thread is essentially dead now.

BURN IT, BURN IT ALL DOWN

[MegaSovereign]

Pretty much. It was fun while it lasted.

[Kroitz]

Br3ad wrote...

David7204 wrote...

See, people say that, but I'm guessing that if it actually happened few people would care.

Humans generally aren't as complex as they like to think they are.

Do you have any idea how complex even the most basic of thought processes is, as if I need to ask?

What do you take as measurment for that complexity? Complex in what regard?

Modifié par Kroitz, 19 octobre 2013 - 11:42 .

[Br3admax]

Nah the Liara thread is still open, so we is gold, m8.

[FlamingBoy]

Steelcan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Oh here we go. This thread is essentially dead now.

BURN IT, BURN IT ALL DOWN

From its ashes a thread will rise more powerful and enlightening than ever before!

[Jorji Costava]

@Kroitz:

That's just an issue of word choice. I take it that our intuitive responses to hypothetical cases can be used as evidence for or against certain kinds of philosophical theories, including theories about personal identity. The thought experiment about your loved ones is used to elicit these intuitions. Derek Parfit, who defends a view that's the exact opposite of the one I just proposed, follows the same basic method: He uses intuitive responses to hypothetical cases regarding split brain patients in an attempt to show that there's no more too identity than psychological states and the causal connections between them.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The original ending only left me with questions. I was left buried in a pile of rubble. The relays were destroyed. And the Normandy was crashed on a planet god knows where. I'd never see Liara again. The Geth were already dead because somehow my import had Tali exiled so I shot Legion.

* How was anyone going to get home?
* Was everyone going to starve? like the Turians and the Quarians
* Was anyone even alive?
* Where was Shepard buried in the rubble?

Questions like that. And except for the last one, that was true for all the endings.

I was not satisfied with any of the endings. I finished the game four times. I chose destroy twice, control once, and synthesis once. Bioware has the numbers. I chose destroy the first time in March 2012, and in July 2012. Control a when Citadel DLC came out. And recently Synthesis sometime in between.

All tech gets hit with destroy. It is the Technology is Evil theme. You don't remember the jokes going around in March 2012 that the sequel to ME3 was going to be Quest For Fire. So get your EMS high and cast out the Devils of Technology from your lives and receive that final breath of Everlasting Life .... buried in a pile of garbage. That's what I call quality of life.

Then there's death by electrocution. That looks like fun. I have no ambition to be any kind of God Emperor of the Galaxy. It's too much work. Go on ahead and blow up yourselves.

Synthesis was space magic. Death by jumping into a death ray that magically creates a new DNA. Stop my head is hurting. It seemed to be a last minute idea tacked on and very poorly thought out. I mean when you have people writing pages trying to make sense of it like Ieldra2 did, the writers have a major problem. BTW I love the Synthesis Compendium.

I've made peace with the ending because I've stopped caring about it. I don't really have that much invested in the games anymore. I have a group doing a "revisioning" of ME3 more as a story that could have been told and we're having fun with it. Anyway, I've got to get some lunch.

[crimzontearz]

they did not get a middle finger in the form of the breath scene

THEY actually got closure....especially the control people

[FlamingBoy]

crimzontearz wrote...

they did not get a middle finger in the form of the breath scene

THEY actually got closure....especially the control people

It was speculation, a uncommitted to handwave saying that he/she was alive (or dead?) but we will not show you the consequences of being alive in the actual first place.

closure is more than just surviving, for closure to actually happen people wanted to see what would shepard do with his/her life based on the choices made throughout the series.

[Kroitz]

osbornep wrote...

@Kroitz:

That's just an issue of word choice.

I Agree, case closed.

[Br3admax]

FlamingBoy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

they did not get a middle finger in the form of the breath scene

THEY actually got closure....especially the control people

It was speculation, a uncommitted to handwave saying that he/she was alive (or dead?) but we will not show you the consequences of being alive in the actual first place.

closure is more than just surviving, for closure to actually happen people wanted to see what would shepard do with his/her life based on the choices made throughout the series.

Die from falling back into the atmosphere. Oh wait, Shepard can ignore physics and biology. NM. 

[Mcfly616]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

but I feel like the Dark Energy ending is on a whole other level of epicness....

I think it had some good potential to it.

My biggest gripe with the dark energy ending is that it really plays up the whole 'humans are magic and special' trope thing a lot. And despite accepting all sorts of ridiculous physics in the ME universe, the idea that using element zero somehow might cause the galaxy/universe to tear itself apart sounds silly to my ears.

I like organics vs. synthetics (or creator vs created) better because it's a lot more concrete, and has at least appeared a few times in the series. And certainly more than 2 lines in the second game.

has nothing to do with using eezo.


Dark Energy is essentially making everything spread further and further apart, and yes, it will cause the galaxy to tear itself apart. If the Reaper Armada (with the Human Reaper) can manipulate the very force that is tearing the galaxy apart, then it makes sense. Whether you find it silly or not is another matter entirely.


Anyways, I love the current endings as they are. I find them to be some of the most intriguing and epic finales in gaming. However, contrary to what others have said above, the creators vs created/organic vs synthetic trope has been far more over-used than the literal end to the known universe trope (not just life itself, but the reality in which we all reside)




Anyways, if you read hard sci fi and are interested in learning where the main inspiration for The Reapers comes from (specifically speaking: their motives and purpose), check out The Revelation Space Trilogy by Alastair Reynolds.

[crimzontearz]

FlamingBoy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

they did not get a middle finger in the form of the breath scene

THEY actually got closure....especially the control people

It was speculation, a uncommitted to handwave saying that he/she was alive (or dead?) but we will not show you the consequences of being alive in the actual first place.

closure is more than just surviving, for closure to actually happen people wanted to see what would shepard do with his/her life based on the choices made throughout the series.

are you agreeing with me?


 
I am confused

[FlamingBoy]

crimzontearz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

they did not get a middle finger in the form of the breath scene

THEY actually got closure....especially the control people

It was speculation, a uncommitted to handwave saying that he/she was alive (or dead?) but we will not show you the consequences of being alive in the actual first place.

closure is more than just surviving, for closure to actually happen people wanted to see what would shepard do with his/her life based on the choices made throughout the series.

are you agreeing with me?


 
I am confused

speculate my friend......

SpeCulaTe=]

[FlamingBoy]

Br3ad wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

they did not get a middle finger in the form of the breath scene

THEY actually got closure....especially the control people

It was speculation, a uncommitted to handwave saying that he/she was alive (or dead?) but we will not show you the consequences of being alive in the actual first place.

closure is more than just surviving, for closure to actually happen people wanted to see what would shepard do with his/her life based on the choices made throughout the series.

Die from falling back into the atmosphere. Oh wait, Shepard can ignore physics and biology. NM. 

A sea of problems with that ending mate, its hard to keep track of all the nonsense. Eventually a compromise needs to be made for the less stupid parts to make the ending actually workable.

[crimzontearz]

FlamingBoy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

they did not get a middle finger in the form of the breath scene

THEY actually got closure....especially the control people

It was speculation, a uncommitted to handwave saying that he/she was alive (or dead?) but we will not show you the consequences of being alive in the actual first place.

closure is more than just surviving, for closure to actually happen people wanted to see what would shepard do with his/her life based on the choices made throughout the series.

are you agreeing with me?


 
I am confused

speculate my friend......

SpeCulaTe=]

I don't need to, that was not the point of my answer

[Cainhurst Crow]

I don't think it's about ending choices per say, and more about perspectives on a game. Some people on here made mass effect as a series a cornerstone in their lives, made it a big deal and some sort of idolized thing of reverence, like a religion almost except without believing it to be reality, but still keeping the levels of devotion. And so when mass effect 3 came and disappointed their expectations, they went out of their minds because they couldn't handle a reality that didn't match their precieved outcome for the game.

Than there were the middle ground type of folks who took everything in mass effect incredibly seriously, to the point where sarcasm or humorous observations were meet with disdain and fervent arguments against the points presented, rather than just a simple laugh and joke along. These folks seem to find the way mass effect turned out insulting more than shattering, that is was some sort of personal middle finger to them and their serious business in looking at everything like it was a factual account.

Than you have the folks who played the game for simple enjoyment, a nice story and characters, and didn't really sweat a lot of the details. These folks usually think the ending ranges from bad to pretty alright. There was a perpetration for these people from those who thought shepard was being them, or belonging to them, and saw it more as shepard being a character they controlled. The setting was taken with the thought that "it's just a game/fiction" and so the stakes don't seem as high, and the explanations get handwaved in favor of a purely "do I want this?/Would this be fun?" attitude.

That's my take on it at least, everyone in the other 2 categories can't cope with mass effect being jsut a sci-fi series with some good and bad points, and the people in the last category can.

[AlanC9]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

As I'm sure some people already know, I have several links to various threads that call into question the legitimacy of synthesis and, to a lesser extent, control. I'm explaining why they fail for me in a lore wise version. Externally, the ending narrative direction, thematic conclusion, and execution completely break my suspension of disbelief and derail where the series was coming to for its conclusion.

Ummm.... what do narrative direction and thematic conclusion have to do with suspension of disbelief? You find things easier to believe when you want to believe them?

[Sir DeLoria]

Obadiah wrote...

Plus, in Destroy you end up in a peer group of players who hated the Geth and wanted them destroyed, which is not a fun group to end up with.

You've made me curious, how do you know that if you're not actually a part of the group?