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[jtav]

There's nothing wrong with a little (or a lot) of metagaming. We'd had the script for six months before the game came out and I used it for playthrough planning. I view myself as a writer more than a player with this sort of game and I use those spoilers to help craft the story I want to tell.

[Xilizhra]

StreetMagic wrote...

I just want my Shepard to be like Zaeed, reclining out in the sun.

I just want the simple satisfaction of day-to-day life without a lot of drama. I want what Anderson wanted. "God... feels like years since I just sat down."

My Shepard would want this... but is unable to take it if the cost is that of Destroy. If an eternal vigil is the price to pay to safeguard as many lives as possible, that's what will be done. As ever.

[Deathsaurer]

StreetMagic wrote...

I just want my Shepard to be like Zaeed, reclining out in the sun.

I just want the simple satisfaction of day-to-day life without a lot of drama. I want what Anderson wanted. "God... feels like years since I just sat down."

That's a perfectly reasonable desire and I think it's a shame there wasn't a slide of just that. Implied though it may be I don't think it would have hurt anyone to include such a thing.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I do not play a game like this without full spoilers and guides

what a shame. How anti-climactic every single game "like this" must be for you.

That said, if there was no breath scene and no memorial scene psychic I would pick control because survival as a god is not as good as survival as a human being but still better than forced death BS

you're aware that you don't always control when and where you leave this place.....right? Nobody is entirely in control of their fate. So, your "forced death BS" is quite realistic. In fact, one could say it's "art" imitating life. Hmm....

perhaps, but I THOROUGHLY  enjoy being in control of all the possible outcomes, I always did and always will. Lack of control = no enjoyment. Problem?

Sure, I know in reality we are not in control....newsflash, this is not reality, if I wanted a reminder of the bleakness and uncertainty and fragility of life I would watch the GODDAMN NEWS. Yes I play for escapism and yes if there is ONE THING mass effect 3 taught me is ALWAYS get full spoilers before finalizing the purchase of any entertainment piece I have emotional investment in

no problem lol everyone has their tastes. Some people want and enjoy games that demonstrate instances of realism. I just find it curious that you're here.....discussing something that's not your "thing".

Modifié par Mcfly616, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:17 .

[Steelcan]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

Sorry but EDI doesn't have a gender.  I refer to as "she" because she looks and talks like a woman.  She's like Cortana in this way.

[crimzontearz]

General TSAR wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I would not be that nice

You're right, I would then recommend that Joker given a Psychological Evaluation for his sexual fetish for robots and have him grounded until further notice.

Joker: OH MY GOD SHEPARD. EDI is dead...HOW COULD YOU?

Shepard: well let's see, I had three choices. I could committ suicide and force all being in the universe to get reaper implants, Incould have trusted the reaper king to pass control of the reapers to me after he disintegrated my physical form OR I could guarantee the reapers  to be gone as well as everything with reaper code in it. So guess which ****ing one I picked?

[KaiserShep]

StreetMagic wrote...

I just want my Shepard to be like Zaeed, reclining out in the sun.

I just want the simple satisfaction of day-to-day life without a lot of drama. I want what Anderson wanted. "God... feels like years since I just sat down."

Yeah I was thinking similar. In Shepard's position, I'd feel no regrets and pretty much take it easy.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:18 .

[crimzontearz]

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

Sorry but EDI doesn't have a gender.  I refer to as "she" because she looks and talks like a woman.  She's like Cortana in this way.

incorrect


 
Cortana was made using the clone of a female brain so there is more ground to call her "her"

[Sir DeLoria]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

So a developed AI is worth more than the savior of the galaxy? Lol.

EDI is an inanimate object, it has no biological gender. Gender is a purely organic trait. EDI simply has a human female voice programm. That isn't defining of gender. TIM agrees.

Modifié par Necanor, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:20 .

[Xilizhra]

crimzontearz wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I would not be that nice

You're right, I would then recommend that Joker given a Psychological Evaluation for his sexual fetish for robots and have him grounded until further notice.

Joker: OH MY GOD SHEPARD. EDI is dead...HOW COULD YOU?

Shepard: well let's see, I had three choices. I could committ suicide and force all being in the universe to get reaper implants, Incould have trusted the reaper king to pass control of the reapers to me after he disintegrated my physical form OR I could guarantee the reapers  to be gone as well as everything with reaper code in it. So guess which ****ing one I picked?

If you're doing Destroy, why not use MEHEM?

So a developed AI is worth more than the savior of the galaxy? Lol.

EDI
is an inanimate object, it has no biological gender. Gender is an
organic restriction. EDI simp,y has a human female voice programm. That
isn't defining of gender. TIM agrees.

The pronoun should be whatever EDI prefers, as is simply polite/decent.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:20 .

[Steelcan]

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

Sorry but EDI doesn't have a gender.  I refer to as "she" because she looks and talks like a woman.  She's like Cortana in this way.

incorrect


 
Cortana was made using the clone of a female brain so there is more ground to call her "her"

More ground perhaps, but she's still an imitation

[KaiserShep]

crimzontearz wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I would not be that nice

You're right, I would then recommend that Joker given a Psychological Evaluation for his sexual fetish for robots and have him grounded until further notice.

Joker: OH MY GOD SHEPARD. EDI is dead...HOW COULD YOU?

Shepard: well let's see, I had three choices. I could committ suicide and force all being in the universe to get reaper implants, Incould have trusted the reaper king to pass control of the reapers to me after he disintegrated my physical form OR I could guarantee the reapers  to be gone as well as everything with reaper code in it. So guess which ****ing one I picked?

Why would Shepard even have to explain him/herself to anyone about it anyway? The only other entity that knows about the Crucible's three functions is dead. Everyone would just assume that the Crucible turned out to be an anti-synthetic weapon, and Joker could just futilely blame the Alliance or the Quarians for designing it that way if he wants. And really, even if others did know, it's not like they're in any position to judge anyway. It's not as if they were there facing the dilemma. I'd just tell them all to suck it up and dry their tears with all the credits they can get from reaper salvage.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:22 .

[wolfhowwl]

Joker's descent into robosexual perversion was a tragic misstep by the writing team.

[Xilizhra]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Joker's descent into robosexual perversion was a tragic misstep by the writing team.

There's nothing even slightly wrong with it. Both are clearly capable of consent.

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

I do not play a game like this without full spoilers and guides

Wait, what?

Edit: nevermind, I see this has been covered.

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:34 .

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I do not play a game like this without full spoilers and guides

what a shame. How anti-climactic every single game "like this" must be for you.

That said, if there was no breath scene and no memorial scene psychic I would pick control because survival as a god is not as good as survival as a human being but still better than forced death BS

you're aware that you don't always control when and where you leave this place.....right? Nobody is entirely in control of their fate. So, your "forced death BS" is quite realistic. In fact, one could say it's "art" imitating life. Hmm....

perhaps, but I THOROUGHLY  enjoy being in control of all the possible outcomes, I always did and always will. Lack of control = no enjoyment. Problem?

Sure, I know in reality we are not in control....newsflash, this is not reality, if I wanted a reminder of the bleakness and uncertainty and fragility of life I would watch the GODDAMN NEWS. Yes I play for escapism and yes if there is ONE THING mass effect 3 taught me is ALWAYS get full spoilers before finalizing the purchase of any entertainment piece I have emotional investment in

no problem lol everyone has their tastes. Some people want and enjoy games that demonstrate instances of realism. I just find it curious that you're here.....discussing something that's not your "thing".

it was until ME3, and even THAT was marketed to me as "my thing".

So yes, if the price to improve the chances of  ME4 going back to being my thing is being vocal here I will enjoy doing so

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steelcan wrote...
Sorry but EDI doesn't have a gender.  I refer to as "she" because she looks and talks like a woman.  She's like Cortana in this way.

K. I'm still gonna call her "her".

Necanor wrote...
So a developed AI is worth more than the savior of the galaxy? Lol.

EDI
is an inanimate object, it has no biological gender. Gender is a purely
organic trait. EDI simply has a human female voice programm. That isn't
defining of gender. TIM agrees.

Potentially yes. Shepard has an much earlier expiration date, means EDI has the potential to be useful for far longer.

As mentioned above, don't care, ships and vehicles often get called she even without a voice box, I'm extending that to robots.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:37 .

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Joker's descent into robosexual perversion was a tragic misstep by the writing team.

There's nothing even slightly wrong with it. Both are clearly capable of consent.

Yep, EDI's whole "Help me force Joker into a relationship" is clearly not a red flag in any way

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Joker's descent into robosexual perversion was a tragic misstep by the writing team.

There's nothing even slightly wrong with it. Both are clearly capable of consent.

Yep, EDI's whole "Help me force Joker into a relationship" is clearly not a red flag in any way

All she asks for is relationship advice.

[General TSAR]

Xilizhra wrote...
The pronoun should be whatever EDI prefers, as is simply polite/decent.

Who cares what a souped-up Electonic Warfare and Intelligence Suite wants? 

wolfhowwl wrote...

Joker's descent into robosexual perversion was a tragic misstep by the writing team.

Shame there wasn't an option to reprimand Joker and tell him to keep that perversion locked up. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:29 .

[KaiserShep]

Technically it's Joker that gave EDI the impression that he was harboring affectionate feelings, and you can discourage their relationship. Also, who cares about the gender placement? EDI assumes the role in the female gender. If you want to insist that it's "it" and only "it", that's your prerogative, but that doesn't make those who use the female pronoun wrong. FFS

Modifié par KaiserShep, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:28 .

[crimzontearz]

AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I do not play a game like this without full spoilers and guides

Wait, what?

games I am invested in/might get invested in

[KevTheGamer]

I've done all of the endings and imo Destroy and Reject are the best. I love the endings.