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[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Joker's descent into robosexual perversion was a tragic misstep by the writing team.

There's nothing even slightly wrong with it. Both are clearly capable of consent.

Yep, EDI's whole "Help me force Joker into a relationship" is clearly not a red flag in any way

All she asks for is relationship advice.

I believe the exact line is "We could discuss how to provoke Jeff into an emotional commintment"

[crimzontearz]

Steelcan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

Sorry but EDI doesn't have a gender.  I refer to as "she" because she looks and talks like a woman.  She's like Cortana in this way.

incorrect


 
Cortana was made using the clone of a female brain so there is more ground to call her "her"

More ground perhaps, but she's still an imitation

not an imitation.

Only the pathways are copied, nothing else.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

If you want to "make everything normal again", the only way to really do that with the endings is Control: fix the relays, clean up the mess, then (hopefully) get the hell out of the way and don't play "God Emperor." But no, now they put this "watch over the many" and "destroy those who blah blah blah" in there.

[Steelcan]

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

Sorry but EDI doesn't have a gender.  I refer to as "she" because she looks and talks like a woman.  She's like Cortana in this way.

incorrect


 
Cortana was made using the clone of a female brain so there is more ground to call her "her"

More ground perhaps, but she's still an imitation

not an imitation.

Only the pathways are copied, nothing else.

AI's don't always base themselves on the tissue they are cloned from

[Seboist]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Joker's descent into robosexual perversion was a tragic misstep by the writing team.

It's one of the most deplorable things I've seen in a game. This guy goes after a machine with the emotional development of a child like a teenage horndog.

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz wrote...
it was until ME3, and even THAT was marketed to me as "my thing".

So yes, if the price to improve the chances of  ME4 going back to being my thing is being vocal here I will enjoy doing so

really? I don't remember the game being marketed as: "the game where Shepard rides off into the sunset and has an emotional reunion with his true love"


Which is exactly what you said you "wanted". So, in what way was it marketed to you as "your thing"?

[General TSAR]

Seboist wrote...
It's one of the most deplorable things I've seen in a game. This guy goes after a machine with the emotional development of a child like a teenage horndog.

Once Again, Agreed.

We should have slapped that overly horny numbskull with Mass Effect's version of Article 133. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:35 .

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I do not play a game like this without full spoilers and guides

Wait, what?

games I am invested in/might get invested in

Why not just watch videos rather than play the game? Much cheaper..

[Xilizhra]

I believe the exact line is "We could discuss how to provoke Jeff into an emotional commintment"

Which Shepard immediately says is the wrong way to think about it, and EDI stops doing so.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

I believe the exact line is "We could discuss how to provoke Jeff into an emotional commintment"

Which Shepard immediately says is the wrong way to think about it, and EDI stops doing so.

Proof?  Can you be absolutely sure she didn't continue that line of thinking?

Slipped something into his drink at the play perhaps

[crimzontearz]

Steelcan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

Sorry but EDI doesn't have a gender.  I refer to as "she" because she looks and talks like a woman.  She's like Cortana in this way.

incorrect


 
Cortana was made using the clone of a female brain so there is more ground to call her "her"

More ground perhaps, but she's still an imitation

not an imitation.

Only the pathways are copied, nothing else.

AI's don't always base themselves on the tissue they are cloned from

more to support my point she is not an imitation but the synthetic approximation of a human organic brain


 
Also, cortana's situation, as you know, is unique

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I believe the exact line is "We could discuss how to provoke Jeff into an emotional commintment"

Which Shepard immediately says is the wrong way to think about it, and EDI stops doing so.

Proof?  Can you be absolutely sure she didn't continue that line of thinking?

Slipped something into his drink at the play perhaps

I can't really consider her guilty of such without better proof.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I believe the exact line is "We could discuss how to provoke Jeff into an emotional commintment"

Which Shepard immediately says is the wrong way to think about it, and EDI stops doing so.

Proof?  Can you be absolutely sure she didn't continue that line of thinking?

Slipped something into his drink at the play perhaps

I can't really consider her guilty of such without better proof.

You need to lighten up

[Steelcan]

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

Sorry but EDI doesn't have a gender.  I refer to as "she" because she looks and talks like a woman.  She's like Cortana in this way.

incorrect


 
Cortana was made using the clone of a female brain so there is more ground to call her "her"

More ground perhaps, but she's still an imitation

not an imitation.

Only the pathways are copied, nothing else.

AI's don't always base themselves on the tissue they are cloned from

more to support my point she is not an imitation but the synthetic approximation of a human organic brain


 
Also, cortana's situation, as you know, is unique

Synthetic approximation


end of story

[Mcfly616]

Personally, I hope every Mass Effect from this point forward is a standalone/self-contained story with no ties to what's come before or what comes next. This way the writers can create more drastic variations in a single narrative. Kill off characters without worrying about carrying on their story in the next installment. Story quality should be even better without the problem of trying to incorporate fan-service for fan-favorite characters. I'm looking forward to the benefits of a clean slate.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I miss the days when science fantasy was a good enough excuse for stuff.

[Xilizhra]

You need to lighten up

I'm legitimately worried for the future of AI rights IRL, and suspect it may become an issue in my own lifetime.

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
it was until ME3, and even THAT was marketed to me as "my thing".

So yes, if the price to improve the chances of  ME4 going back to being my thing is being vocal here I will enjoy doing so

really? I don't remember the game being marketed as: "the game where Shepard rides off into the sunset and has an emotional reunion with his true love"


Which is exactly what you said you "wanted". So, in what way was it marketed to you as "your thing"?

it was marketed to me as having a WILDLY varied set of endings, it was marketed to me as ending with a galaxy I wanted to go back and play in. Given the previous games there was enough writer reader agreement to aggravate the situation even more. Also, before you go there even Gaider said Author intention is meaningless

[Xilizhra]

You have to admit though how funny it is that the most mundane, simple type of ending is the most fantasical and difficult to imagine. While things like Synthesis and Control are not.

It's not that difficult, just download MEHEM.

[KaiserShep]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I miss the days when science fantasy was a good enough excuse for stuff.

Star Wars used to have that, until Lucas screwed it all up in the prequels.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

You need to lighten up

I'm legitimately worried for the future of AI rights IRL, and suspect it may become an issue in my own lifetime.

Most research I've seen has said that any real AI is science fiction and nothing more.

Regardless, they are machines

[General TSAR]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm legitimately worried for the future of AI rights IRL, and suspect it may become an issue in my own lifetime.

No one cares about the rights of toasters.

Hell toasters don't have rights.

Modifié par General TSAR, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:44 .

[crimzontearz]

Steelcan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Necanor wrote...
Her? I think you mean 'it'. 

My point was anyway, that despite the obvious loss of personality, she could more or less be recreated, at least physically. The personality of Joker's sexbot isn't worth dying over.

No I mean her.
So could Shepard. An AI that has an established and symbiotic relationship with organics could be very useful down the line, that is worth maintaining.

Sorry but EDI doesn't have a gender.  I refer to as "she" because she looks and talks like a woman.  She's like Cortana in this way.

incorrect


 
Cortana was made using the clone of a female brain so there is more ground to call her "her"

More ground perhaps, but she's still an imitation

not an imitation.

Only the pathways are copied, nothing else.

AI's don't always base themselves on the tissue they are cloned from

more to support my point she is not an imitation but the synthetic approximation of a human organic brain


 
Also, cortana's situation, as you know, is unique

Synthetic approximation


end of story

muscle weave is a synthetic approximation of a muscle, does it make it any less of a muscle?