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[TheButterflyEffect]

 It's a consistent theme in all your goddamn games.

Everyone always gets to live happily ever after at the end. With the sole exception of... the player character.

Seriously? Why the hell can the protagonist never, ever, EVER earn a happy ending, even after all their hard work?

I'd say "Dude, where the hell is my respect?" but that would be a little redundant. The hero has saved everyone's sorry asses and still nobody ever treats them with the slightest ounce of respect, so why can't they just retire to a little place and live as a hermit with their love interest?

It never happens. It's always gloom and doom. Death, unhealthy or broken relationships, etc, etc...

Which brings me to the point of, why is the protagonist also the only person who can never have healthy romantic relationships? Every other couple gets together nice and easy peasy, no muss, no fuss, no "complicated" garbage... the hero, on the other hand, despite being the most awesome person ever, kinda gets "left at the altar", so to speak...

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 20 octobre 2013 - 03:44 .

[BlueMagitek]

Huh? CHARNAME had a perfectly happy ending. Or could, if you so chose and saw it that way.

So did Revan, Spirit Monk & possibly Warden. :/

[thats1evildude]

Yes, everyone gets to live happily ever after ... except for the hundreds of people killed over the course of each Dragon Age game.

Is this another thinly-veiled 'Alistair dumped me' rant? Jesus, get over it.

[Mathias]

This is actually a good observation. I can see someone stepping in and saying:

"Oh well in DA:O and KotoR you can have a happy ending for your character."

Which was true at the time, but then the writers expanded on the story and continued YOUR character's story. We all know Revan got screwed over royally, and god knows where the Warden is now.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I suppose when Revan vanished it was Obsidian's idea.

[Gold Dragon]

Commander Shepard would like to have a word with you.

[Mathias]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Commander Shepard would like to have a word with you.

Shepard is either dead or confined to Captain Pike's hover wheelchair, having worse burn scars than Freddy Kreuger.

[ScarMK]

Oh, look. Another unhappy TBE thread.

[Xilizhra]

I have to admit... I agree with the OP here. I'd really like for the option for a better ending to be made available to the protagonist at some point.

[Mathias]

So  then a truly happy ending for Shepard would've been a more original idea from Bioware.

[TheButterflyEffect]

thats1evildude wrote...

Yes, everyone gets to live happily ever after ... except for the hundreds of people killed over the course of each Dragon Age game.

Is this another thinly-veiled 'Alistair dumped me' rant? Jesus, get over it.

Plot fodder and dog poop is all they were. Everyone else who was important did get to be happy.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 20 octobre 2013 - 04:10 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Other than the Warden (possibly), Hawke, your character (possibly) in KOTOR, and the guy from Jade Empire... actually, come to think of it, those do make up most of Bioware's games,

Only Mass Effect got screwed over in terms of happy endings. Granted, ME3's ending was horrible, but I don't think you can say Bioware screws over their protagonist in every single game.

Xilizhra wrote...

I have to admit... I agree with the OP here. I'd really like for the option for a better ending to be made available to the protagonist at some point.

Oh, please do tell us your idea of a happy ending, Xil.

The Warden gets to live out the rest of their cursed existence both diseased, and alone. Not to mention overworked to hell and back.

Hawke gets to be a fugitive. With their LI, which makes it a bit better, but that's totally not gonna last. Never does. Relationships for the protagonist are unhealthier than a shuffling zombie.

[thats1evildude]

Well, I can't argue with that ironclad logic.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Foshizzlin wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

Other than the Warden (possibly), Hawke, your character (possibly) in KOTOR, and the guy from Jade Empire... actually, come to think of it, those do make up most of Bioware's games,

Only Mass Effect got screwed over in terms of happy endings. Granted, ME3's ending was horrible, but I don't think you can say Bioware screws over their protagonist in every single game.

Xilizhra wrote...

I have to admit... I agree with the OP here. I'd really like for the option for a better ending to be made available to the protagonist at some point.

Oh, please do tell us your idea of a happy ending, Xil.

The Warden gets to live out the rest of their cursed existence both diseased, and alone. Not to mention overworked to hell and back.

Hawke gets to be a fugitive. With their LI, which makes it a bit better, but that's totally not gonna last. Never does. Relationships for the protagonist are unhealthier than a shuffling zombie.

The Warden only ends up alone in the case of Morrigan, and even then you can follow her in the DLC. If you play your cards right, every other LI loyally and happily stays by your side. Even Leliana says "This story has a happy ending" if you romanced her. Leliana said it. It's gotta be true. As for "diseased", that depends how long your body suppresses the Taint. It's said some Wardens handle it better than others: some die years after the Joining, others live their full lives before dying naturally, some die during the Joining. It's a very random and people-specific ordeal. Even if the Warden does die, that's 20-30 more years of life, on average, in a society where realistically most humans probably don't live past their 60s. Not too bad.

Hawke, maybe, though in the DLC, you don't have it too rough. Hawke's own life has several years of extravagant wealth and romance, too. Definitely not a bad lifestyle.

Doesn't explain why Leliana and Zevran are MIA with nothing but curt lettters to explain why by the time Awakening rolls around. And non-king Altar is just plain absent with no explanation whatsoever.

And Hawke ends up losing all of that, because nobody will tell the Church and their jerkass God to just fob off already.

[CuriousArtemis]

Hmm... funnily enough, I actually dislike the DA:O ending the most of the three ( DA:O, DA2, ME) because it's so happy and bland. My Warden crownded Alistair and went off adventuring with his love, Zevran. Yay, happy fun times. And then the cheesy epilogues lol But hey, it wasn't too bad. Just didn't exactly inspire anything out of me. Was kind of like the Star Wars ending. Yay, everyone lives, is happy, and is in love! Good times.

DA2 was more intriguing, mysterious... what happened to Hawke? I was comforted by Varric's final words, about how everyone drifted apart except Fenris (my Hawke's LI) which I thought was sweet. So it was a bittersweet ending. Hawke couldn't even really save the day. But he walked out of the Gallows like an effing bad ass, his lover and buddies at his side, templars scrambling to get out of his way lol I loved it.

ME3, well, what can I say. Tears were cried. So, so many tears. Very much reminded me of the end of the LOTR films. It seems happy, the world/universe is saved, lovers are reunited, etc. but the hero has sacrificed too much. Perhaps s/he will live, but things will be different now (Like Frodo entering the Undying Lands; it gets me every time, so, SO many tears!). Everything is different.

I would hope DA:I leans more towards the middle ground... I don't want to bawl so hard I can't emotionally handle replaying the game lol But happy happy fun time is a bit much, too.

[TheButterflyEffect]

ME3 sucked so much I won't even speak of it. It made black people look like scum and the endings were so bloody confusing I had a migraine afterwards. For some reason my game bugged out and went to the "Synthesis" ending automatically which I did not want. To heck with that.

DA:O stunk because the slideshow was retarded and bugged all to hell.

DA2 was so-so. Gave no information about everyone's fates, but at least they skipped the idiotic slideshow this time. And actually playtested and debugged the endgame. Yay!

[iOnlySignIn]

WTH are you talking about.

My Hawke is perfectly happy after DA2's ending. She accomplished her goal in Kirkwall (lead the Mages to start a revolutionary war) and is now roaming the Waking Sea freely with (bff and f*ckbuddy) Isabela.

My Shepard after ME3's ending now rules the entire galaxy as benevolent god-emperor. If you're not happy with that there's something seriously wrong about you.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 20 octobre 2013 - 04:52 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

Foshizzlin wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

Other than the Warden (possibly), Hawke, your character (possibly) in KOTOR, and the guy from Jade Empire... actually, come to think of it, those do make up most of Bioware's games,

Only Mass Effect got screwed over in terms of happy endings. Granted, ME3's ending was horrible, but I don't think you can say Bioware screws over their protagonist in every single game.

Xilizhra wrote...

I have to admit... I agree with the OP here. I'd really like for the option for a better ending to be made available to the protagonist at some point.

Oh, please do tell us your idea of a happy ending, Xil.

The Warden gets to live out the rest of their cursed existence both diseased, and alone. Not to mention overworked to hell and back.

Hawke gets to be a fugitive. With their LI, which makes it a bit better, but that's totally not gonna last. Never does. Relationships for the protagonist are unhealthier than a shuffling zombie.

The Warden only ends up alone in the case of Morrigan, and even then you can follow her in the DLC. If you play your cards right, every other LI loyally and happily stays by your side. Even Leliana says "This story has a happy ending" if you romanced her. Leliana said it. It's gotta be true. As for "diseased", that depends how long your body suppresses the Taint. It's said some Wardens handle it better than others: some die years after the Joining, others live their full lives before dying naturally, some die during the Joining. It's a very random and people-specific ordeal. Even if the Warden does die, that's 20-30 more years of life, on average, in a society where realistically most humans probably don't live past their 60s. Not too bad.

Hawke, maybe, though in the DLC, you don't have it too rough. Hawke's own life has several years of extravagant wealth and romance, too. Definitely not a bad lifestyle.

Doesn't explain why Leliana and Zevran are MIA with nothing but curt lettters to explain why by the time Awakening rolls around. And non-king Altar is just plain absent with no explanation whatsoever.

And Hawke ends up losing all of that, because nobody will tell the Church and their jerkass God to just fob off already.

The Church, both in our own history and Dragon Age's history, was an incredibly powerful entity. It isn't something nonsensical or "unrealistic": the historic Roman Catholic church, a mere religious entity, could've disbanded and taken over entire European kingdoms on a whim. It's not so simple as telling the Chantry to bugger off.

As for the letters, Leliana and Zevran both make sense in their reasoning. Not only did Bioware want to focus on different companions, but it made in-game sense as well. If the Warden had not been called, then they'd still be with their LI.

Actually... it is. People just have to grow some peas and toughen up. The Catholic church would still be brainwashing people and senselessly murdering people, like me, if someone hadn't stood up to them. Obviously, someone did.

And it was still stupid. They didn't have anything better to do but follow a haphazard soldier around to kill the Maleficent expy, why do they only now suddenly have an actual life of their own? That's dumb.

[TheButterflyEffect]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

WTH are you talking about.

My Hawke is perfectly happy after DA2's ending. She accomplished her goal in Kirkwall (lead the Mages to start a revolutionary war) and is now roaming the Waking Sea freely with (bff and f*ckbuddy) Isabela.

My Shepard after ME3's ending now rules the entire galaxy as benevolent god-emperor. If you're not happy with that there's something seriously wrong about you.

I did say that DA2's ending was alright, still not great, but alright. Even though everything you ever did in the game was utterly pointless, at least the protagonist still got out with their life and hope for the future.

God-emperor, but still dead as a doornail. The crumbiest ending is also the only one where you don't kick the bucket after surviving way less retarded things over the span of 3 freaking games. Go figure.