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[Silvershroud]

I finally just played a city elf playthrough.  Anyone else take the bribe at the beginning without caring about the money because you knew that the consequences of killing the arl's son would be bad for the alienage?  I have to say, I was disapointed that Howe ends up faking Vaughan's death as an excuse to attack the alienage anyways.  It felt kind of like the end of the second game - doesn't matter what you do, it's the exact same result.  It was also dissapointing that I couldn't even try to explain to the elves why I left them to Vaughan.  I mean, I would understand if they still hate me, but it would be nice to have been able to explain myself.

Anyone else have the same thoughts?  Or different ones?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I've heard it said that if you play Bioware games, you should become inured to the thought that there will be dialogue options you don't have and wish you did. How often that's true, I couldn't tell you, but it was said and I don't remember anyone challenging whoever said it.

[Shinobu]

Nope, I killed that SOB.

But I agree it would be nice to have the option of explaining in the event of taking the bribe.

[Silvershroud]

Shinobu wrote...

Nope, I killed that SOB.

But I agree it would be nice to have the option of explaining in the event of taking the bribe.

Especially as, I refused it at first, but Vaughan reminded me of what would happen to the alienage, then I changed my mind.  I don't mind Shiani hating me at all.  I certainly can't blame her, but even my father refuses to speak with me now...

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Unfortunately it's a bit obvious that once Vaughan offers you money (in addition to his threat of what will happen to the alienage) you're screwed if you accept. It's ceased becoming a choice between the many and the few, and it's become a bribe. Even so, I agree with you there OP...I wish you could still try to explain yourself even if people would still be justifiably angry.

As far as Howe's concerned, I think that's completely disconnected to the Origin. Yeah, you end up with a purge no matter what, but Vaughan had nothing to do with it. It's not like DA2, where you can flat out refuse to help a certain character do something but he ends up managing to do it anyway with no explanation as to how.

[BronzTrooper]

When my sister got to that point in her first playthrough (female, S&S warrior), we sat there trying to decide what to do for 15 minutes. I eventually told her that it would be better to let Vaughn live, as it shouldn't result in the Alienage getting attacked. Then came the sequence where the guards come for you...

When I started my first City Elf (male, 2h warrior), I killed the SOB because I saw that it didn't matter what you did, the Alienage would get attacked anyway.

[mousestalker]

Vaughan died in all my play throughs.

[maliluka]

Nope no bribe... he died. And I always made sure I was the one who killed him, I let Soris beat up on the other ones but Vaughan was all mine.

[CDR David Shepard]

I never, ever...metagame.

I know what happens with every single choice in DA;O and the Mass Effect series...but I always make the choice that I (my character) would make in those scenarios.

I have only ever played through the human noble origin but I know all about the other origins.

If I was to create and playthrough 100 different city elf characters...I would kill Vaughn every single time.

I know it's just a video game...but no amount of metagaming could ever make my character take a bribe so that the villain could rape the women.

[Angrywolves]

I killed Vaughn in city elf playthroughs

[thats1evildude]

On my first blind playthrough, my thought was "Oh yeah, the serial rapist/bigot is just going to let a pair of elves walk away with a pile of cash after slaying all of his guards. Because he's proven so trustworthy up until this point." So I killed Vaughan and later went back to confirm that yes, he does turn on you. Needless to say, I was not shocked in the least.

That situation is pretty clearly lose-lose all the way. The best you can do is at least spare the bridal party from being abused by that monster, and to prevent him from hurting anyone else.

This is just the sad reality facing elves in Thedas: they suffer no matter what they do.

[Shinobu]

It would have been interesting if Vaughn's deal had actually been legit.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Shinobu wrote...

It would have been interesting if Vaughn's deal had actually been legit.

That's the thing though...for all we know it WAS legit. It's just that Howe takes over Denerim, blames the elves for Vaughan's death (whether or not you took the deal) and does a purge either way.

If you mean it would have been interesting if Howe hadn't turned up AND Vaughan's ultimatum was legit...then yes, I agree. On the other hand, it would put the player in one of unpleasant 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situations.

[sylvanaerie]

What Faerunner said sums it up pretty well. I usually RP my City Elf wobbling at that point, when Vaughan warns what will happen if he dies. Then when he says he'll just keep the girls anyway, my PC figures, "Well, damned if I do, and damned if I don't" and slaughters him.

She tries to take on all of the blame. My last playthrough, at least Soris wasn't in his jail cell in the Arl's estate, but Howe still purged the alienage, just for S&G.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

My elf loved his cousin Shianni dearly, so he killed everybody in that castle, in a roaring rampage of revenge rescue.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

sylvanaerie wrote...

She tries to take on all of the blame. My last playthrough, at least Soris wasn't in his jail cell in the Arl's estate, but Howe still purged the alienage, just for S&G.

I don't think it was just for S&G. I think he also had a vested interest in the elves not having the courage to do that for a generation or two. (Of course, I'm quite certain he also derived S&G from what he did.)

[BronzTrooper]

Lol. I found Vaughn locked up in Howe's dungeon with my Elf Mage (female, Alistair romanced, Blood Mage, Arcane Warrior) and I convinced him to give me the key to his lockbox then I left him to rot. Then I laughed all the way to his former room. I say he deserved it.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

She tries to take on all of the blame. My last playthrough, at least Soris wasn't in his jail cell in the Arl's estate, but Howe still purged the alienage, just for S&G.

I don't think it was just for S&G. I think he also had a vested interest in the elves not having the courage to do that for a generation or two. (Of course, I'm quite certain he also derived S&G from what he did.)

Yeah, considering Howe takes over Denerim as arl, I think he has a vested interest in making sure the elves don't try that again. At least while he's living there.

And if Vaughan wasn't killed, he still needs a scapegoat for Vaughan's 'disappearance'.

[sylvanaerie]

There is the 'vested interest' in quelling future revolts. But let's be honest, we all know Howe enjoyed doing it as well. He'd have done it just for the lulz even if there wasn't any other reason.  I think Eamon says something about Howe being the type of man who would enjoy kicking puppies (or something along those lines) when speaking to him as a Cousland.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 28 octobre 2013 - 03:58 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I don't think anyone will disagree he got a kick out of it at the same time.

[Mikoto8472]

Yeah I pretty much thought. "After killing his guards in a rampage to get to him, now holding him at swordpoint there's no way he's going to keep any bargain or fail to go after the Alienage." So I killed him.

Plus, he's probably been raping elf women for a while now. He raped Shianni. And if Soris hadn't arrived with that sword, he'd have raped (female) Tabris too.

Nope, he had to die.

[Wulfram]

It also gives Howe an excuse to bring in a bunch of his soldiers and make his appointment as Arl a fait accompli

[Mike3207]

Ok, couple things on Soris bother me in the CE origin.

 

First-if there are no weapons in the CE origin how does he have 2 levels of Combat Training and some sword and shield talents as well. You might chalk the Combat Training up to learning some tips from the PC's mom, but I expect Rogue and Warrior combat training are different. He had to learn shield talents somewhere.

 

Second-how does the human commander at the end not notice Soris equipped with chainmail and a longsword? He seems pretty bright, so i can't believe he'd miss either Soris or the PC armed to the teeth.