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[mousestalker]

One, Alerith sells weapons. It may be illegal, and possibly fatal for elves to carry weapons, nonetheless there is a demand for them, otherwise, they wouldn't be for sale. It follows that other elves might know how to use them.

Two, the guard commander may not have wanted to see Soris. In my games, he is always naked (don't ask). But even if he is toting full arms and armour, if the PC offers herself up as the sole perpetrator, the guard commander may very well wish to be satisfied there. Vaughan isn't especially likeable and if one person steps forward as the killer, the commander may want to stop there rather than create more turmoil.

The humans reactions to the elves isn't about justice, it is about expediency.

[ShadowLordXII]

You're gonna trust the bastard that kidnapped you, murdered a resisting bridesmaid, raped your cousin and wants to pay for your silence?

 

Also, he broke up your wedding, killed a bridesmaid, killed your fiance (if female), raped your cousin and plans to rape everyone else that he's kidnapped (including you if you're female). You're both an idiot and have no heart if you take his deal.

 

Even if you take the deal, how do you know that he won't screw you over anyway? I've always just taken the bastard's head and let him drown in a pool of his own blood.

[theskymoves]

Ok, couple things on Soris bother me in the CE origin.

 

First-if there are no weapons in the CE origin how does he have 2 levels of Combat Training and some sword and shield talents as well. You might chalk the Combat Training up to learning some tips from the PC's mom, but I expect Rogue and Warrior combat training are different. He had to learn shield talents somewhere.

 

Second-how does the human commander at the end not notice Soris equipped with chainmail and a longsword? He seems pretty bright, so i can't believe he'd miss either Soris or the PC armed to the teeth.

 

I'm not a lore-ologist (and I don't play one on the internet), but I get the impression that the prohibition on the City Elves having and using weapons was a relatively recent thing (and possibly specific to Denerim), and that while one wouldn't openly flout that dictate by publicly bearing arms, what happened out of the sight of the shems was something else entirely. After all, the Alienage is surprisingly well armed when the darkspawn show up, and they even know how to use those bows.

 

Some other things that led me to this belief are

• the elven soldiers in the troops at Ostagar
• the Blackstone Irregulars conscription side quest (one of the conscriptees is an Alienage elf)
• the fact that no-one questions why the elf Loghain sends to Redcliffe as a spy is openly armed - Ber-something... Berwyn? Berwick?
• the bills posted all over the Alienage reminding the elves that they can't have weapons (if it's that institutional, you don't need to be reminded)
• and aren't some of the beggars in the late-game Alienage claiming to be "veterans"?

*posts and anticipates the inevitable derisive mockery from the smart people*

[Iakus]

I'm normally a peaceable character who spares whoever I can.

 

Vaughn, though, is a pleaure to kill

[thats1evildude]

Ok, couple things on Soris bother me in the CE origin.

 

First-if there are no weapons in the CE origin how does he have 2 levels of Combat Training and some sword and shield talents as well. You might chalk the Combat Training up to learning some tips from the PC's mom, but I expect Rogue and Warrior combat training are different. He had to learn shield talents somewhere.

 

1) He's only a Level 1 warrior in my game and doesn't gain experience, which tells me that Soris only has the basic level of expertise as a warrior.

 

2) He probably trained with his cousin a few times. He does state that if anyone could break into the estate, his cousin could pull it off, so he has at least some awareness of his cousin's skills.

 

3) Rogues can equip swords and shields.

[luna1124]

I thought about taking the bribe once, but Shianni would have to stay with Vaughn and she was already traumatized, so I always kill him. And I always kill him in the dungeon too if I play another origin.

[BronzTrooper]

You know, I wrote a scene in my multi-Warden DA:O fanfic where my city elf Warden (obviously the human-hating one) violently butchers Vaughan and his cronies single-handedly in a blind rage.  I made Vaughan's cronies die pretty quickly, but I had Vaughan strangled and beaten to death.  Basically, my city elf beat the sh*t out of Vaughan, beating his face in and leaving behind a blood-filled indent where Vaughan's face had been.  I really enjoyed typing that scene.  

[DeinonSlayer]

Gutted the piece of **** and called it a day.

Would have liked to grab the poker from the fireplace, cook it red-hot and jam it straight up his ass, slow-like. Burn him from the inside out. Might have to cut some tendons or something to immobilize him first. But, alas, there was no dialogue option to do so.

(Seriously. **** that guy.)

I find the notion that Vaughan would let bygones be bygones and not purge the Alienage in retaliation if you spare him painfully naive.

[BronzTrooper]

Would have liked to grab the poker from the fireplace, cook it red-hot and jam it straight up his ass, slow-like. Burn him from the inside out. Might have to cut some tendons or something to immobilize him first. But, alas, there was no dialogue option to do so.

 

One word: fanfiction.  

 

It's satisfying to write a scene in which you kill Vaughan.  You can make it as detailed and long as you want.  That's one of the reasons I write fanfiction: to do stuff you can't do in-game.  

[DeinonSlayer]

One word: fanfiction.  
 
It's satisfying to write a scene in which you kill Vaughan.  You can make it as detailed and long as you want.  That's one of the reasons I write fanfiction: to do stuff you can't do in-game.  

It was rumored that that's what happened to King Edward II. More than fitting for a serial rapist like Vaughan.

[BronzTrooper]

It was rumored that that's what happened to King Edward II. More than fitting for a serial rapist like Vaughan.

 

All the more reason to write up a scene where Vaughan is tortured to death.  

[Mike3207]

I don't think Alarith sells weapons on the PS3 version. That might only happen on PC.

 

Rogues might be able to equip shields, but I don't think rogues can use the shield talents. Only dual wield and archery.

 

 

I was actually thinking that Soris might be the Alienage blacksmith. That might escape why he gets imprisoned on the non-City Elf playthroughs. The best way to stop weapons from being made is to incarcerate the blacksmith.

[DeinonSlayer]

I don't think Alarith sells weapons on the PS3 version. That might only happen on PC.
 
Rogues might be able to equip shields, but I don't think rogues can use the shield talents. Only dual wield and archery.
 
 
I was actually thinking that Soris might be the Alienage blacksmith. That might escape why he gets imprisoned on the non-City Elf playthroughs. The best way to stop weapons from being made is to incarcerate the blacksmith.

I think he was imprisoned because he tried to fight back when they came and took Valora. He's a bit delirious in his cell if you encounter him as a non-CE warden.

[Lavaeolus]

I thought he was imprisoned because of the altered origin -- the City Elf and Soris fail to rescue the brides, and so City Elf is killed while Soris is captured and imprisoned.

[Corker]

 

I was actually thinking that Soris might be the Alienage blacksmith.

 

"The blacksmith's daughter" is mentioned as another one of Vaughn's victims.  Possibly, his grief became too much to bear and he left the Alienage, because f!Tabris's betrothed, Nelaros, is also a smith.  Could make for a verrrrry tense wedding if Soris was one, too. (Unless they were going into business together, I suppose?)