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[cjones91]

 So one of the biggest problems with demons is they are attracted to mages because they have power,however would a arl/king/queen/local ruler be a more satisfying to a ambitous demon?The only reason mages are targeted is because they are a more convenient gateway into the mortal world and demons don't really care how they get out of the Fade.

To a powerful demon having political power and a army to command would be more tempting than possessing one mage,especially if they can enthrall the local populace of that region.

So what does everyone think?

[TK514]

I doubt demons even have a concept of social status.

[ScarMK]

Assuming they actually know how the mortal world works, probably.

[cjones91]

TK514 wrote...

I doubt demons even have a concept of social status.

But there are some demons like those of Desire who usually prefer possessing those who hold political power.A person with thousands of potential pawns to command and political clout would be a much more preferable target to possess for a ambitous demon.

[Angrywolves]

sending out armies to conquer the world.
Connor's demon said that.
So demons appear to understand that.
Demons seem to prefer magic users, either mages or Templars.

[ScarMK]

Angrywolves wrote...

sending out armies to conquer the world.
Connor's demon said that.
So demons appear to understand that.
Demons seem to prefer magic users, either mages or Templars.

Did it understand before or after possessing him though?

[Senya]

Demons do not seem too much aware of people other than Mages, normally. I think I saw a Codex entry somewhere about why they are so attracted to Mages, but I can't remember which.

[andar91]

I'm not sure demons can be subtle enough. Anyone possessed by a demon for long periods of time would probably be suspected of, at least, being mentally ill. Demons are an expression of the emotions they represent and nothing else; they have no nuance.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TK514 wrote...

I doubt demons even have a concept of social status.

They apparently do. Apparently Gaider has stated that a politically powerful human is in some ways preferable to a magically powerful one. Of course, the demon in Connor at least had no freaking clue how best to use it.

[cjones91]

andar91 wrote...

I'm not sure demons can be subtle enough. Anyone possessed by a demon for long periods of time would probably be suspected of, at least, being mentally ill. Demons are an expression of the emotions they represent and nothing else; they have no nuance.

Some like Lady Harriman went unoticed for some time while being possessed.Besides how is anyone besides mages and templars supposed to tell if a ruler is possessed by a demon?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

cjones91 wrote...

andar91 wrote...

I'm not sure demons can be subtle enough. Anyone possessed by a demon for long periods of time would probably be suspected of, at least, being mentally ill. Demons are an expression of the emotions they represent and nothing else; they have no nuance.

Some like Lady Harriman went unoticed for some time while being possessed.Besides how is anyone besides mages and templars supposed to tell if a ruler is possessed by a demon?

It depends on how subtle the demon is. Past a certain point I think just about everyone in Redcliffe knew something was up.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 21 octobre 2013 - 12:03 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Maybe a Pride demon would want to do this. Or just go for a Tevinter magister and try to take both magical power and political power at the same time.

[Senya]

Normal mortals are definitely harder. They do not stand out in the Fade. They'd have to be somewhere where the Veil is thin and a demon will have to be waiting there. If I were a demon, I'd watch a Tevinter Mage from an Altus family, study him and Tevinter closely, and seize him while he's vulnerable. Why settle for either Magic or political power when you can have both?

[cjones91]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

andar91 wrote...

I'm not sure demons can be subtle enough. Anyone possessed by a demon for long periods of time would probably be suspected of, at least, being mentally ill. Demons are an expression of the emotions they represent and nothing else; they have no nuance.

Some like Lady Harriman went unoticed for some time while being possessed.Besides how is anyone besides mages and templars supposed to tell if a ruler is possessed by a demon?

It depends on how subtle the demon is. Past a certain point I think just about everyone in Redcliffe knew something was up.

But they did'nt know Connor was possessed,to them Arl Eamon just fell ill and then sometime later a wave of undead appeared.

[Hellion Rex]

Actually we have seen a Pride demon take over a leader before. From the Dragon Age Legends game:
"He was at first a venerated ruler, celebrated for his wisdom. As years passed though, he started changing, slowly bringing violence and opulence in the once normal city of Kaiten. Soon, his nephew, Ravi, and his allies discovered the source of Khedra's odd behavior: Khedra was possessed by a powerful Pride demon and had turned into an abomination."

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Khedra

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Is that game canon?

cjones91 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

andar91 wrote...

I'm not sure demons can be subtle enough. Anyone possessed by a demon for long periods of time would probably be suspected of, at least, being mentally ill. Demons are an expression of the emotions they represent and nothing else; they have no nuance.

Some like Lady Harriman went unoticed for some time while being possessed.Besides how is anyone besides mages and templars supposed to tell if a ruler is possessed by a demon?

It depends on how subtle the demon is. Past a certain point I think just about everyone in Redcliffe knew something was up.

But they did'nt know Connor was possessed,to them Arl Eamon just fell ill and then sometime later a wave of undead appeared.

Yes, but the latter would have been more than enough to draw attention to the village eventually. If not before the village fell, then after when the Templars were inevitably sent to investigate. (A village cannot fall off the map without being noticed, and if Connor had sent out an army to try and conquer more it would just have streamlined the process.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 21 octobre 2013 - 12:27 .

[Killdren88]

I can see a very powerful and intelligent Demon taking a tevinter Magistrater and fuel the flames of war thus weakening the veil.

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Actually we have seen a Pride demon take over a leader before. From the Dragon Age Legends game:
"He was at first a venerated ruler, celebrated for his wisdom. As years passed though, he started changing, slowly bringing violence and opulence in the once normal city of Kaiten. Soon, his nephew, Ravi, and his allies discovered the source of Khedra's odd behavior: Khedra was possessed by a powerful Pride demon and had turned into an abomination."

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Khedra

Abominations are possessed mages though. 

[thats1evildude]

It has nothing to do with power levels. Demons possess even weak mages, after all. Regular mortals just can't be possessed under normal circumstances.

[Vit246]

I think demons will possess just anything to get out of the Fade. Corpses. Trees. And freaking rocks.

Modifié par Vit246, 21 octobre 2013 - 12:46 .

[cjones91]

thats1evildude wrote...

It has nothing to do with power levels. Demons possess even weak mages, after all. Regular mortals just can't be possessed under normal circumstances.

Demons possess anything they come across so no mages are just as capable of being possessed as mages are.

[Hellion Rex]

Lathrim wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Actually we have seen a Pride demon take over a leader before. From the Dragon Age Legends game:
"He was at first a venerated ruler, celebrated for his wisdom. As years passed though, he started changing, slowly bringing violence and opulence in the once normal city of Kaiten. Soon, his nephew, Ravi, and his allies discovered the source of Khedra's odd behavior: Khedra was possessed by a powerful Pride demon and had turned into an abomination."

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Khedra

Abominations are possessed mages though. 

Is it said at any point during the game that Khedra did not have magical abilities? I haven't played Legends, so I wouldn't know.

I am pretty sure he was purely non mage. He might have been a similar case to Wilmod and Keran and was possessed.

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Actually we have seen a Pride demon take over a leader before. From the Dragon Age Legends game:
"He was at first a venerated ruler, celebrated for his wisdom. As years passed though, he started changing, slowly bringing violence and opulence in the once normal city of Kaiten. Soon, his nephew, Ravi, and his allies discovered the source of Khedra's odd behavior: Khedra was possessed by a powerful Pride demon and had turned into an abomination."

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Khedra

Abominations are possessed mages though. 

Touche. The definition of abomination includes possessing a person with magical capabilities. So the wording in the entry on the Wiki might just be an honest mistake. My question is this though: did he exhibit magic after he was possessed?