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[TheKomandorShepard]

Star fury wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Star fury wrote...

What's wrong with people here who want to kill every single NPC in the bloody game?

To be honest i don't trust her she is up to something and she is stupid evil so i doubt that her means or motivations are something more that put her into power ,sooner my pc put her down sooner he will sleep peacefully that same for leliana , flemeth and divine and all companions who arren't varric .

Eee ok good luck with trusting them im sure they wont betray you because truly they are most honest and loyal character in universe.

[Former_Fiend]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


Eee ok good luck with trusting them im sure they wont betray you because truly they are most honest and loyal character in universe.

Let's see here, trusting Zevran worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Isabela worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Oghren worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Sten worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Nathaniel worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Merrill worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Shale worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Velanna worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Loghain worked out pretty well for me.

A lot of these characters have the potential to betray you, or give you reason to think they'll betray you. But I don't judge people based on what they might do, I judge them on what they do. And I don't expect blind obedience from people.

[Bfler]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Star fury wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Star fury wrote...

What's wrong with people here who want to kill every single NPC in the bloody game?

To be honest i don't trust her she is up to something and she is stupid evil so i doubt that her means or motivations are something more that put her into power ,sooner my pc put her down sooner he will sleep peacefully that same for leliana , flemeth and divine and all companions who arren't varric . 

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Eee ok good luck with trusting them im sure they wont betray you because truly they are most honest and loyal character in universe.

Varric can betray you in the fade sequence, just saying. 

[Moghedia]

As far as I'm aware, you can stab her in Witch Hunt. But to stab someone doesn't me you will kill that person...

[TheKomandorShepard]

Former_Fiend wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


Eee ok good luck with trusting them im sure they wont betray you because truly they are most honest and loyal character in universe.

Let's see here, trusting Zevran worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Isabela worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Oghren worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Sten worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Nathaniel worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Merrill worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Shale worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Velanna worked out pretty well for me. Trusting Loghain worked out pretty well for me.

A lot of these characters have the potential to betray you, or give you reason to think they'll betray you. But I don't judge people based on what they might do, I judge them on what they do. And I don't expect blind obedience from people.

Zevran can betray you though he don't  have own goal so he don't he don't have reason to betray you.

"Trusting Isabela worked out pretty well for me."

"Trusting Nathaniel worked out pretty well for me." only one example what have sense

"Trusting Oghren worked out pretty well for me." whait wtf why he have reason to betray you he is drunkard warrior without goal in life wha?

"Trusting Shale worked out pretty well for me." She don't have reason until you kill caradin.

"Trusting Velanna worked out pretty well for me." As hell until she disappear or have clashes with warden and still she don't have reason to betray you. 

Morrigan proved that she is not only extremely selfish and power hungry but also stupid evil and support senseless cruelty. Flemeth is morrigan but less bit*** than her and clearly have own goal and hardly it is helping peoples unless they are useful for her.In my pt i work against so divine and leliana who also have own goal and will do everything to reach.So all of them have own goal and wnat to play others to reach that. 

Bfler wrote...


Varric can betray you in the fade sequence, just saying. 

Yes but he is as far only one companion that isn't pro-mage ,pro-templar or pro-chantry so he won't bi*** that i chose work against all of them. 

[Former_Fiend]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


Zevran can betray you though he don't  have own goal so he don't he don't have reason to betray you.

"Trusting Isabela worked out pretty well for me."

Well, it did. She left with the book, and she came back. 

"Trusting Nathaniel worked out pretty well for me." only one example what have sense

"Trusting Oghren worked out pretty well for me." whait wtf why he have reason to betray you he is drunkard warrior without goal in life wha?

Well, you do put Ogrhen in a situation where you can force him to help kill his wife, and he stands with you, so I count that as a sign of loyalty. Beyond that it's more that he is a drunkard but at the end of the day, that never becomes a liability.  His drinking and womanizing have all the potential in the world to cause problems for your group and they never do.

"Trusting Shale worked out pretty well for me." She don't have reason until you kill caradin.

Shale's a sociopath who enjoys crushing flesh bags. I trusted her not to kill me in my sleep for the hell of it and that trust was properly rewarded.

"Trusting Velanna worked out pretty well for me." As hell until she disappear or have clashes with warden and still she don't have reason to betray you. 

I played as a human and Velanna's a violent, human killing racist. She doesn't need a reason to betray me; my breathing was a reason. And yet, she didn't. As for her disappearing, I didn't get that epilogue. I got the one where she stays with the wardens for years before running off after her sister. And I don't count that as a betrayal.

Morrigan proved that she is not only extremely selfish and power hungry but also stupid evil and support senseless cruelty. Flemeth is morrigan but less bit*** than her and clearly have own goal and hardly it is helping peoples unless they are useful for her.In my pt i work against so divine and leliana who also have own goal and will do everything to reach.So all of them have own goal and wnat to play others to reach that. 

You are of the opinion that characters having their own personal goals instead of being mindless drones who follow your protagonist makes them untrustworthy. That's what I'm getting from that statement; am I wrong? Are we having a break down in communication here?

Modifié par Former_Fiend, 21 octobre 2013 - 07:35 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Former_Fiend wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


Zevran can betray you though he don't  have own goal so he don't he don't have reason to betray you.

"Trusting Isabela worked out pretty well for me."

Well, it did. She left with the book, and she came back. 

"Trusting Nathaniel worked out pretty well for me." only one example what have sense

"Trusting Oghren worked out pretty well for me." whait wtf why he have reason to betray you he is drunkard warrior without goal in life wha?

Well, you do put Ogrhen in a situation where you can force him to help kill his wife, and he stands with you, so I count that as a sign of loyalty. Beyond that it's more that he is a drunkard but at the end of the day, that never becomes a liability.  His drinking and womanizing have all the potential in the world to cause problems for your group and they never do.

"Trusting Shale worked out pretty well for me." She don't have reason until you kill caradin.

Shale's a sociopath who enjoys crushing flesh bags. I trusted her not to kill me in my sleep for the hell of it and that trust was properly rewarded.

"Trusting Velanna worked out pretty well for me." As hell until she disappear or have clashes with warden and still she don't have reason to betray you. 

I played as a human and Velanna's a violent, human killing racist. She doesn't need a reason to betray me; my breathing was a reason. And yet, she didn't. As for her disappearing, I didn't get that epilogue. I got the one where she stays with the wardens for years before running off after her sister. And I don't count that as a betrayal.

Morrigan proved that she is not only extremely selfish and power hungry but also stupid evil and support senseless cruelty. Flemeth is morrigan but less bit*** than her and clearly have own goal and hardly it is helping peoples unless they are useful for her.In my pt i work against so divine and leliana who also have own goal and will do everything to reach.So all of them have own goal and wnat to play others to reach that. 

You are of the opinion that characters having their own personal goals instead of being mindless drones who follow your protagonist makes them untrustworthy. That's what I'm getting from that statement; am I wrong? Are we having a break down in communication here?

Yes isabela betrayed you and cause kirkwall destruction totally worth of trust:devil:

Still oghren don't have any reason to betray you even with branka he admits that she is crazy so... he don't have goal and opportunity to that. 

Shale was with warden just because of curiosity she admit that if she don't like you still she don't have motivation to betray you.

Well if my companion/person is unloyal dishonest maniplating bi*** with uknown goal or opposite goal than main i can put them down i rly doubt for example if i take templar route pro-mage companions or characters remain loyal don't you think?
So for example we have stanley and he is pro mage rebel and i work against mages it is wise to remove him.   

[Uccio]

How could anyone stab Morrigan?? She was such a cutiepie.

[Former_Fiend]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...



Yes isabela betrayed you and cause kirkwall destruction totally worth of trust:devil:

Still oghren don't have any reason to betray you even with branka he admits that she is crazy so... he don't have goal and opportunity to that. 

Shale was with warden just because of curiosity she admit that if she don't like you still she don't have motivation to betray you.

Well if my companion/person is unloyal dishonest maniplating bi*** with uknown goal or opposite goal than main i can put them down i rly doubt for example if i take templar route pro-mage companions or characters remain loyal don't you think?
So for example we have stanley and he is pro mage rebel and i work against mages it is wise to remove him.   

Firstly, Isabela didn't cause the destruction of Kirkwall as there was no destruction of Kirkwall; it was still very much standing after the Qunari attack. Secondly, the blame doesn't rest solely on Isabela's shoulders as she was just one volitale element in that powder keg. Sister Patrice and the Arishok himself are equally if not more responsible. Thirdly, she came back. Or, at least she comes back if Hawke meant anything to her, as a friend or rival. And if she comes back, then yes, she can be trusted, even if she has her moments of weakness. She's only human.

Moving on.

Oghren's an alcoholic. Do you know any alcoholics that are trustworthy people? I know quite a few alcoholics and trustworthiness is not a quality that survives addiction. He doesn't need a goal, he doesn't need a reason. He's a drunk. That's the only quality he needs to be marked as untrustworthy, and yet, he pulls through for you.

Anyway, moving on to the end there, I'm not entirely sure you understand what "betrayal" is.  Someone sticking to their guns, goals, and motivations is not a betrayal, it's what is to be expected of them.

Now, someone who has goals that they keep from you, that they know you wouldn't support, and that they use you to further, that is a betrayal. But Morrigan doesn't do that. She has a goal and she needs you to help accomplish this. If she were betraying you, she wouldn't have told you about the ritual. If in a romance, she would have simply slept with the warden like any other night without telling him anything and disappeared without a word. That would have been a betrayal. And yet she doesn't do that.

And if not in a romance, well, there are ways of getting what she needed from the Warden, Alistair, or Loghain without them knowing about it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Former_Fiend wrote...


Firstly, Isabela didn't cause the destruction of Kirkwall as there was no destruction of Kirkwall; it was still very much standing after the Qunari attack. Secondly, the blame doesn't rest solely on Isabela's shoulders as she was just one volitale element in that powder keg. Sister Patrice and the Arishok himself are equally if not more responsible. Thirdly, she came back. Or, at least she comes back if Hawke meant anything to her, as a friend or rival. And if she comes back, then yes, she can be trusted, even if she has her moments of weakness. She's only human.

Moving on.

Oghren's an alcoholic. Do you know any alcoholics that are trustworthy people? I know quite a few alcoholics and trustworthiness is not a quality that survives addiction. He doesn't need a goal, he doesn't need a reason. He's a drunk. That's the only quality he needs to be marked as untrustworthy, and yet, he pulls through for you.

Anyway, moving on to the end there, I'm not entirely sure you understand what "betrayal" is.  Someone sticking to their guns, goals, and motivations is not a betrayal, it's what is to be expected of them.

Now, someone who has goals that they keep from you, that they know you wouldn't support, and that they use you to further, that is a betrayal. But Morrigan doesn't do that. She has a goal and she needs you to help accomplish this. If she were betraying you, she wouldn't have told you about the ritual. If in a romance, she would have simply slept with the warden like any other night without telling him anything and disappeared without a word. That would have been a betrayal. And yet she doesn't do that.

And if not in a romance, well, there are ways of getting what she needed from the Warden, Alistair, or Loghain without them knowing about it.

LoL it was bloodbath on streets so yes she was blame mostly for that and she knew what will happens if she will escape and still she did it that didn't is important she betrayed you that she later come back is not important she proved that she can't be trusted she caused disaster and changed her mind after that.

Oghren's an alcoholic. Do you know any alcoholics that are trustworthy
people? I know quite a few alcoholics and trustworthiness is not a
quality that survives addiction. He doesn't need a goal, he doesn't need
a reason. He's a drunk. That's the only quality he needs to be marked
as untrustworthy, and yet, he pulls through for you.

Of course he need reason if he had one he would do that but he doesn't we deliver him goal and that was what he wanted.


 "Someone sticking to their guns, goals, and motivations is not a betrayal, it's what is to be expected of them."
Eee of course that isn't betrayal as long our goals are similar if not that leads to betrayal if they joned to my team and i m leader they decided follow me if then they act against me it is betrayal.And thats what morrigan she was in my party and then she have own selfish goal if we refuse she leaves so she doesn't only betrays a friend or lover but also leader and team goal.  

[Former_Fiend]

You know, I used to think of myself as a cynic. You've shown me that I'm an optimist.

[LOLandStuff]

I get a certain "Forever Alone" vibe.

[Lord Raijin]

ladyofpayne wrote...

''She could've kept her mouth shut, and allowed either one of you to die, but she didn't. ' Becaouse she wants Old God baby. She doesn't care about Warden. She wants power. I remember First blight and Tevinter magisters so this is very bad idea to give her this power- she is egosentric woman. And I am tired of her so much -Morrigan this, Morrigan that, Morrigan in DAI no matter she supposed to be dead. Phah!

In the world of Thedas everyone has an ultimatum to use someone for their own personal reasons that only benefits them. Fenris uses Hawke to get the slavers off of his back, and look at where it got him... Fan girls raging over his bones whereas if Morrigan uses the Warden to get the Old God Baby she must be killed. I hope you're not a Fenris fan because if you are I smell double standards.

Morrigan wants power and so does the Chantry and the Templars. Who doesn't want power in Thedas?

[Lord Raijin]

bobobo878 wrote...

"Killing Morrigan"? Does Bill O'Reilly write Dragon Age fan fiction now? I want to read that hella bad.

LOL!!!!

[Lord Raijin]

Ukki wrote...

How could anyone stab Morrigan?? She was such a cutiepie.

Someone who is possessed by a demon that's who. It could be a filthy Templar too!

[Br3admax]

Former_Fiend wrote...

You know, I used to think of myself as a cynic. You've shown me that I'm an optimist.

I thought I was too. Trully. 

[Sir DeLoria]

I loved Morrigan...and Alistair too. Damn it, sometimes it's hard to choose.

[Br3admax]

Morrigan. Alistair's a good friend, but otherwise he's a complete idiot.

[Sir DeLoria]

Br3ad wrote...

Morrigan. Alistair's a good friend, but otherwise he's a complete idiot.

Yeah, I did and liked both romances, but my canon noble Templar Warden romanced Morrigan. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Right Isabela was responsible for the bloodbath. The Arishok ordered it. He was responsible. Him and his stupid religion.

Morrigan? I'm not killing her. I sided with the mages. My wardens although only one followed her through in Witchhunt, the rest (female) were BFF with her. We are not going to kill her. I really hope they do not make what she is doing the big EVIL.

[Lord Raijin]

If Bioware turns Morrigan into the main antagonist on DAI I'm ordering a massive boycott on the company.

[Former_Fiend]

Lord Raijin wrote...

If Bioware turns Morrigan into the main antagonist on DAI I'm ordering a massive boycott on the company.

Speaking as a Morrigan fan, I for one would ignore that order.

[wolfhowwl]

Lord Raijin wrote...

If Bioware turns Morrigan into the main antagonist on DAI I'm ordering a massive boycott on the company.

I might just have to buy two copies then.

Stay mad.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 21 octobre 2013 - 10:18 .

[Br3admax]

One copy of Dragon Age: Inquisition: Killing Morrigan Deluxe Edition, please.