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[BlueMagitek]

Lord Raijin wrote...

If Bioware turns Morrigan into the main antagonist on DAI I'm ordering a massive boycott on the company.

That would actually be a pretty decent evolution for Morrigan to possibly go from a footnote to a big boss.

[Angrywolves]

Well yeah some people want to kill everything in the game it seems.
I wonder how they would score on the Brace Character Profile.
shrugs.
Morrigan isn't dead if you stab her, she just falls into the eluvian.
I believe players will have the opportunity and ability to kill anyone they want to by the end of DAI. Morrigan , Flemeth, Leliana, anyone .
shrugs.

[Pawlem]

Br3ad wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

Well, she's a decently popular guess as the game's big bad, so, who knows. Personally, I hope it's not mandatory as I rather like Morrigan, but I wouldn't be upset about there being an option for people who don't like her.

That being said, I think they need to make up there minds on whether or not they'll want her to stay dead if they do that. I can't imagine the Morrigan haters would be happy to learn in Drago Age V that she survived again.

Though her survival gives me some hope that Yavana may well show up at some point. Protagonist failing to kill members of this family may well become a running joke.

It was never thought that you could even actually kill her. 

Anyway, Morrigan is my Warden's Waifu4Lyfe and and I will fight all challengers. 

QFT. Bring on all the fangirls.

I for one like both Morrigan and Allistar which seems to be the nonsensical war of fandom ever since I started playing the game at release. 

[The Spirit of Dance]

I must finish my Dark/bloodmage/Elvish/lesbian/Arcanewarrior/warden commander's job and finish off Morrigan. But my Inquisitor will have to be careful something tells me that Morrigan won't be as trusting this time around.

[spike08]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

she want ritual always not only if the warden is her lover or friend and she is glad to leave you if you refuse after you helped her with flemeth so then she betrays you so i don't take her "i care about you" she is self-intrested. 

shes only glad to leave you if you don't trust her and would rather commit suicide than trust her.

ex.
Warden - "I'm gonna die when I kill the archdemon"
morrigan - "I can save you by taking in the old gods soul to a baby"
warden - "no, I don't trust you. You're withholding your intentions. Therefore your intentions MUST ge evil. I'd rather die than trust you."

I'd leave your ass too. I'm saving your life. And you won't accept it. Ohhh but I'm not telling you why I'm doing it. So I must be evil and betraying you even though you are the one who doesn't trust me.  Because even married people don't have secrets from one another.

[spike08]

Ill fix this double

Modifié par spike08, 22 octobre 2013 - 12:38 .

[Reznore57]

I don't think it's fair to complain about Morrigan "betrayal".
Manipulation , sure , if you're a male warden , she pretty much seducing your pc because it will be useful.
If you're nice to her , she's really confused .That's not how she sees the world , with her everything has a price and simply caring about someone is something that she sees as alien.

I can't say I felt betrayed by her dark ritual , just really annoyed .
If you turn her down , she's sort of hurt but she doesn't trust you enough with her plan.
It's all about taking a leap of faith with her , since she's not the most gentle person around , it's a bit hard to follow through blindly.

Anyway I do not wish to kill her , whatever plan she's up to ...I'm a bit sad for her.
She's all alone in her quest , and gave up everything to suceed , I really hope it won't be a derp evil thing.

[TheBlackBaron]

Pawlem wrote...

QFT. Bring on all the fangirls.

I for one like both Morrigan and Allistar which seems to be the nonsensical war of fandom ever since I started playing the game at release. 

Honestly, it's the most pointless war ever, whether you play a male or female Warden. One is your lover, one is your bro.

It's only when you toss Leliana or Zevran fangirl/boys into the mix that things start getting nasty. 

[Former_Fiend]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Pawlem wrote...

QFT. Bring on all the fangirls.

I for one like both Morrigan and Allistar which seems to be the nonsensical war of fandom ever since I started playing the game at release. 

Honestly, it's the most pointless war ever, whether you play a male or female Warden. One is your lover, one is your bro.

It's only when you toss Leliana or Zevran fangirl/boys into the mix that things start getting nasty. 

I honestly believe it spun out of a fandom war between m-warden fans and f-warden fans. I remember back right after origins a lot of fem-cousland players were insisting that their playthrough would be the canon one, generated quite a bit of backlash. So I imagine the Morrigan vs Alistair fight spun out of that in a "our LI's better than yours!" kind of way.

[Dayze]

Thinking about it; when you want to go into the mirror after her Morrigan doesn't lie, she tells you flat out that you'll be worse off for coming with her but lets you do it if you want.

[Angrywolves]

There's a video of Gaider, Laidlaw, and Mac Walters at the recent NY comicon on youtube dated 10/19.. The interviewer mispronounces Gaider's name, calling him Gainer. Rotfl.
Laidlaw does say something applicable to this thread. When asked how Bioware avoids conflicts /contradictions between the books, comics, and video games, Laidlaw explains how they sit down and discuss things, and emphasized that Bioware has a canon when he mentioned a couple of characters being dead in some players playthroughs.
So, imo Morrigan is alive in the canon despite the stabbing , Leliana is still alive despite the fact some players killed her in the urn of sacred ashes quest, and there are Bioware canons I am sure for any DAO/DA2 companions the player could kill, for Connor, Genetivi, Loghain, and anybody else.

[Br3admax]

Angrywolves wrote...

There's a video of Gaider, Laidlaw, and Mac Walters at the recent NY comicon on youtube dated 10/19.. The interviewer mispronounces Gaider's name, calling him Gainer. Rotfl.
Laidlaw does say something applicable to this thread. When asked how Bioware avoids conflicts /contradictions between the books, comics, and video games, Laidlaw explains how they sit down and discuss things, and emphasized that Bioware has a canon when he mentioned a couple of characters being dead in some players playthroughs.
So, imo Morrigan is alive in the canon despite the stabbing , Leliana is still alive despite the fact some players killed her in the urn of sacred ashes quest, and there are Bioware canons I am sure for any DAO/DA2 companions the player could kill, for Connor, Genetivi, Loghain, and anybody else.

Okay one, you are connecting two totally disconnected things. Two, Loghain get's his head chopped off in a cutscene and his death is acknowledged in DA ][. 

[Star fury]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Right Isabela was responsible for the bloodbath. The Arishok ordered it. He was responsible. Him and his stupid religion.

The Chantry had it's say too.

[Former_Fiend]

Br3ad wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

There's a video of Gaider, Laidlaw, and Mac Walters at the recent NY comicon on youtube dated 10/19.. The interviewer mispronounces Gaider's name, calling him Gainer. Rotfl.
Laidlaw does say something applicable to this thread. When asked how Bioware avoids conflicts /contradictions between the books, comics, and video games, Laidlaw explains how they sit down and discuss things, and emphasized that Bioware has a canon when he mentioned a couple of characters being dead in some players playthroughs.
So, imo Morrigan is alive in the canon despite the stabbing , Leliana is still alive despite the fact some players killed her in the urn of sacred ashes quest, and there are Bioware canons I am sure for any DAO/DA2 companions the player could kill, for Connor, Genetivi, Loghain, and anybody else.

Okay one, you are connecting two totally disconnected things. Two, Loghain get's his head chopped off in a cutscene and his death is acknowledged in DA ][. 

It's acknowledged if you kill him. If you don't, his survival is acknowledged. Though I'm sure in Bioware's personal canon, Loghain is dead.

Anyway, on topic. Part o fme suspects Witch Hunt was written at a point where they weren't sure whether or not they'd bring Morrigan back. In the inbetween for Origins and DA2 there was a lot of flip flopping between "The Warden's story is over" and "Witch Hunt will wrap up Morrigan's story" and what not. 

I believe they put in the stabbing with this in mind; that way, if they decided not to bring her back, they have an out. If they decide to bring her back, her "death" is more than ambigous enough to allow for a return.

[khariuade]

DONT YOU DARE HURT HER

[Angrywolves]

No I'm not Br3ad.
There's a Loghain in DAI thread.
The warden can spare Loghain,.
You didn't know that ?
shrugs.
The discussion was about killing Morrigan .
I was pointing out Bioware use of the term canon.
shrugs.

[The Hierophant]

Meh, if Morrigan is murder knifeable in DAI it would be fitting for a DR romanced warden to penetrate her again.

[Br3admax]

Angrywolves wrote...

No I'm not Br3ad.
There's a Loghain in DAI thread.
The warden can spare Loghain,.
You didn't know that ?
shrugs.
The discussion was about killing Morrigan .
I was pointing out Bioware use of the term canon.
shrugs.

Uh, wut? You used examples of established concrete musts and then swithced to those that do not have to be so. 

Leliana always lives. This is canon. Morrigan always lives, this is canon. Canon means established facts that are almost universally accepted in the common consensus. Variables like "There's a Loghain in DAI thread" has nothing to do with canon, because that variable is allowed. The Blight ending in DA:I is canon, the Dark Ritual is not. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Right Isabela was responsible for the bloodbath. The Arishok ordered it. He was responsible. Him and his stupid religion.

Yep she was petrice were queen when it comes to blame but isabela is next figure what had huge impact on that.
First she was reason why qunari were in kirkall
Second she stole their relic.
Third she escaped with it despite knowing what that will cause.

When arisok didn't have choice because his peoples were constantly attacked by chantry and others isabela have choice she traded kirkwall for own profit.When i don't like qunari much and im against them all arishok was doing is sitting on his ass when others try put him down.   
 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Right Isabela was responsible for the bloodbath. The Arishok ordered it. He was responsible. Him and his stupid religion.

Yep she was petrice were queen when it comes to blame but isabela is next figure what had huge impact on that.
First she was reason why qunari were in kirkall
Second she stole their relic.
Third she escaped with it despite knowing what that will cause.

When arisok didn't have choice because his peoples were constantly attacked by chantry and others isabela have choice she traded kirkwall for own profit.When i don't like qunari much and im against them all arishok was doing is sitting on his ass when others try put him down.   
 

It's been a few years, but I don't recall the Chantry physically attacking the qunari. Isabela gave me the book. I gave the Arishok the book back, and he still wouldn't leave. So I had to kill him. I'm sorry, I don't rat on my friends and lovers. Honor among thieves thing. 

And I don't care. You don't go on a murderous rampage in a city over a goddamn book, "sacred relic" or not. Get a damned life. It's a stupid book. They had to have copies of it FFS unless they're morons. -- Signed Lying Cheating S*** Hawke, Location: sailing the seas with her lover Isabela

[Annie_Dear]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Right Isabela was responsible for the bloodbath. The Arishok ordered it. He was responsible. Him and his stupid religion.

Yep she was petrice were queen when it comes to blame but isabela is next figure what had huge impact on that.
First she was reason why qunari were in kirkall
Second she stole their relic.
Third she escaped with it despite knowing what that will cause.

When arisok didn't have choice because his peoples were constantly attacked by chantry and others isabela have choice she traded kirkwall for own profit.When i don't like qunari much and im against them all arishok was doing is sitting on his ass when others try put him down.    
 

So, to protect his people he starts killing innocents who have never done him or his kind any harm, tries to take over a city, tries to force people to convert to the Qun, nearly starts a war, just to... keep his people safe?

What a great leader. I'm also sure the his superiors in Par Vollen would have been happy with his slaughter and war.

[Dayze]

Been awhile but I thought ultimately the reason why he started up his battle was revolution; he was tired of seeing the poor people being badly taken care of, elves being oppressed and mages "mistreated".

[TheKomandorShepard]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Right Isabela was responsible for the bloodbath. The Arishok ordered it. He was responsible. Him and his stupid religion.

Yep she was petrice were queen when it comes to blame but isabela is next figure what had huge impact on that.
First she was reason why qunari were in kirkall
Second she stole their relic.
Third she escaped with it despite knowing what that will cause.

When arisok didn't have choice because his peoples were constantly attacked by chantry and others isabela have choice she traded kirkwall for own profit.When i don't like qunari much and im against them all arishok was doing is sitting on his ass when others try put him down.   
 

It's been a few years, but I don't recall the Chantry physically attacking the qunari. Isabela gave me the book. I gave the Arishok the book back, and he still wouldn't leave. So I had to kill him. I'm sorry, I don't rat on my friends and lovers. Honor among thieves thing. 

And I don't care. You don't go on a murderous rampage in a city over a goddamn book, "sacred relic" or not. Get a damned life. It's a stupid book. They had to have copies of it FFS unless they're morons. -- Signed Lying Cheating S*** Hawke, Location: sailing the seas with her lover Isabela

Petrice with others chantry supporters who attacked qunari many times with elthina "don't care".Emm i doubt that any country would free isabela if she done what she done to them. Rly? compare price orginal paintings to fake one...

And he didn't start kill them because of book only because they were hostile to them.

Annie_Dear wrote...

So, to protect his people he starts
killing innocents who have never done him or his kind any harm, tries to
take over a city, tries to force people to convert to the Qun, nearly
starts a war, just to... keep his people safe?

What a great leader. I'm also sure the his superiors in Par Vollen would have been happy with his slaughter and war.

He didn't have desire to convert to the qun before and killing "innocents" who were hostile to them and try put them down but im sure if you were in danger and your family (if you care about them) after constant attack on your person and famliy you don't lose patience and start to shoot to them. Citizens were doing http://tvtropes.org/...BullyingADragon that and well they get what they wanted http://tvtropes.org/...enLetMeBeEvil. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Dayze wrote...

Been awhile but I thought ultimately the reason why he started up his battle was revolution; he was tired of seeing the poor people being badly taken care of, elves being oppressed and mages "mistreated".

:bandit:And that's why they cut the tongues out of their mages so they don't mistreat them.  Please, horny guy. Go peddle your sense of justice and revolution somewhere else. Let me start this revolution my way.