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[Afro_Explosion]

Why does the BSN want to kill or romance everyone.

Modifié par mx_keep13, 28 novembre 2013 - 05:04 .

[Icy Magebane]

Spectre slayer wrote...

Considering the fact they've said her fate will be decided in DAI, i'm pretty sure you will be able to kill her if you want to, or possibly let Flemeth take over her body.

"Fate" doesn't necessarily refer to an ending.  It could simply be the next stage in her character arc, as dictated by whatever causes precede it.  In any case, I am not that interested in Morrigan.  The Warden couldn't kill her, and at this point, the Inquisitor has no reason to do so.  If she gives him a reason but is protected by plot armor, however, that would be rather irksome since it's already happened once.

[leaguer of one]

mx_keep13 wrote...

Why does the BSN want tot kill or romance everyone

I could be worse. People could be asking to kill and romance characters...In that order.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Morrigan is probably the most popular character in Dragon Age followed by Leliana and Varric so I'd say no you won't be fit to kill her. I'd say she'll have a role similar to Flemeth in DA2, and maybe set up DA4.

[Spectre slayer]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

Considering the fact they've said her fate will be decided in DAI, i'm pretty sure you will be able to kill her if you want to, or possibly let Flemeth take over her body.

"Fate" doesn't necessarily refer to an ending.  It could simply be the next stage in her character arc, as dictated by whatever causes precede it.  In any case, I am not that interested in Morrigan.  The Warden couldn't kill her, and at this point, the Inquisitor has no reason to do so.  If she gives him a reason but is protected by plot armor, however, that would be rather irksome since it's already happened once.

Normally you'd proabably be right but in this instance fate does mean ending, they've been pretty consistent in saying they want to tie off a lot of loose endings and give closure on some characters, also they've specifically mentioned that she was one of them that they want to tie off in DAI.

It doesn't necessarily mean she did something to the inquisitor or did something bad in general but her ultimate fate will pprobably have something to do with the choices you make and the possible consequences of those choices including who you side with, how you oppose, what kind of inquisitor are you and how you run the inquisition will you persecute the mages and tip the balance of power even further in favour of the templars, after finding out what Flemeth is and that Morrigan is in danger from Flemeth.

Do you A. Kill Morrigan B. Let Flemeth take over Morrigan's body C. Kill Flemeth D. Kill them both, some choices could make powerful enemies or alies, how you play will dictate many things including what happens to her as a result of a combination of your choices, what she does in the game and how she reacts to what you did or who you sided with, its possible she could be made antagonistic force or an ally, live or die.

I don't think plot armour is going to save anyone this time around, they probably viewed her as something to important to kill of in DAO until her story arc is finished of in DAI one way or another.

[RobRam10]

My inquisitor will pry every secret that Morrigan has! Also read my sig.

[Chernaya]

I enjoyed Morrigan's character for what she was: a selfish, manipulative witch who eventually grew some feelings near the end. She was indeed a well written character, but my warden remained iffy about her. Can't say I adored her but never disliked her enough to kill her. She stayed in my group and helped me fight until the end, at least. Her using me was only to be expected. I save my murder time for those I think really deserve it, and so far that has never been a companion/former companion. Even if some of them aren't exactly my favorite I grow fond of the little buggers spending the entire game with them.

Modifié par EionaCousland, 28 novembre 2013 - 07:38 .

[Seagloom]

I will probably not bother unless whatever she does results in imminent danger.

I was never too keen on Morrigan. While I did not see her actions as betrayal, I did consider her self-centered and lacking in empathy. She only seems to care about the Warden under specific circumstances; and cares about no one else regardless.

Were that not the case, Morrigan would have stuck by you in the final battle whether or not she got her pregnancy. It also didn't help that her suggestions over the course of the game were so callous as to occasionally be monstrous. Sure Morrigan, I'll get right on letting all those mages die--including children, because you disagree with the Circle of Magi's ideology. -.-

Ultimately I will judge her present actions through the Inquisitor's eyes. The Warden got to know her, and act upon their feelings. This is a new character, who will probably see her from a new perspective. I intend to at least try being impartial in my judgment.

Modifié par Seagloom, 28 novembre 2013 - 08:58 .

[Annie_Dear]

ladyofpayne wrote...

My wish for Santa: Please give us opportunity to kill Morrigan.

No offence, but you're coming off as kinda creepy.

If you're this upset over a fictional character, maybe you should step back from the computer and go outside. You know, find some real problems.

[David Gaider]

mx_keep13 wrote...
Why does the BSN want tot kill or romance everyone

I'm not sure which is more creepy, to be honest, the inevitable "will I get to romance them?" when any character is mentioned or the vaguely psychopathic "this character annoyed me at some point so I want to be able to slaughter them, even if it's with a new character who would know nothing about it".

We had a guy in a tabletop I was once in who did that. He'd roll a new character specifically to kill another party member who, in his mind, was responsible for his previous character's death. He was kind of a dick.

Anyway, yeah. Ultimately, the chances I would allow a character to be killed solely because the player might have some lingering grudge from two games ago? Nil. If it makes sense in the current story? Absolutely. If it doesn't make sense, will accusations of "plot armor" arise? Sure, and yet.

[HiroVoid]

David Gaider wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...
Why does the BSN want tot kill or romance everyone

Anyway, yeah. Ultimately, the chances I would allow a character to be killed solely because the player might have some lingering grudge from two games ago? Nil. If it makes sense in the current story? Absolutely. If it doesn't make sense, will accusations of "plot armor" arise? Sure, and yet.

What about cases of not being able to kill a character who's just said something evil and dastardly right in a perfectly killable alley who just decides to walk away?

I always imagine its always strange to discuss about where a character has to be placed, so there's a reason for the character not to be killed though.  Of course, the reason you can't do this with any character generally lies on motivation as well since there's no reason to kill a character if you don't have a reason for it.  In the end, I'd say a lot of the issues here come down to frustration because some character did something that could have been prevented if protagonist could have killed character here when they had perfectly fine motiations to do so.

To a point, I'd also argue there's not much reason why pro-templar Hawke hasn't reported Anders or Merril to the templars after Act I since they don't have to worry about their sister any more.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 28 novembre 2013 - 04:53 .

[Ryzaki]

Can we at least not get forced companions that are blatantly against our PC's goals? I miss being able to dismiss almost everyone in DAO.

Man I only call for a character death when said character is forced on me and there's no GTFO button. It's the only way I have to remove that character from my playthrough D:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 novembre 2013 - 04:52 .

[Angrywolves]

and the and yet.
That creepy sounds like Bela. I don't particularly like the use of the word creepy , since it can be used in a prejudiced fashion aka I don't like him he's creepy, etc etc.
Yes some players hate Morrigan . There are players that hate this DAO character, hate that DA2 character , etc. Shouldn't allow them to be killed in DAI for no reason , I agree.
Some of the Morrigan haters stabbed her in witch hunt, thought she was dead, are disappointed she isn't , and want another chance to kill her. So if Morrigan is "good " in DAI, the player is evil and it makes sense he can kill her, then he can do so. BUT, he the player should have to face the consequences for doing so.

[Angrywolves]

Morrigan isn't a companion in DAI. Players should be able to dismiss companions . You COULD dismiss most of DAOs companions . I hope there are penalties for dismissing DAI companions without good cause.

[TheKomandorShepard]

i would say that there is no reason to keep manipulative power hungry witch to stay alive for sake our character being retarded na making "story" which is so idiotic as hell that was in case tallis and morrigan dlc.

[ladyofpayne]

David Gaider wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...
Why does the BSN want tot kill or romance everyone

I'm not sure which is more creepy, to be honest, the inevitable "will I get to romance them?" when any character is mentioned or the vaguely psychopathic "this character annoyed me at some point so I want to be able to slaughter them, even if it's with a new character who would know nothing about it".

We had a guy in a tabletop I was once in who did that. He'd roll a new character specifically to kill another party member who, in his mind, was responsible for his previous character's death. He was kind of a dick.

Anyway, yeah. Ultimately, the chances I would allow a character to be killed solely because the player might have some lingering grudge from two games ago? Nil. If it makes sense in the current story? Absolutely. If it doesn't make sense, will accusations of "plot armor" arise? Sure, and yet.

This is sad. But I hope we can kill her in DAI if story will needed it.

[Hazegurl]

My male noble warden romanced her and went into the mirror. He did it knowing she used him but he used her as well. I like to think of them as two adorable bastards who sort of maybe love each other but neither are too willing to totally admit it.

My female warden didn't totally get along with her but thanked her and had no desire to look for her. She just wanted her and Alistair to live.

I don't get why people think Morrigan betrayed them. She pretty much tells you what she plans to do.

[Angrywolves]

not if story needs it per se.
I would write the story so your character has to be evil, following an evil path such as world destruction , only then would the player be allowed to kill Morrigan as a part of that.

[Killdren88]

Hazegurl wrote...

My male noble warden romanced her and went into the mirror. He did it knowing she used him but he used her as well. I like to think of them as two adorable bastards who sort of maybe love each other but neither are too willing to totally admit it.

My female warden didn't totally get along with her but thanked her and had no desire to look for her. She just wanted her and Alistair to live.

I don't get why people think Morrigan betrayed them. She pretty much tells you what she plans to do.

Anything to justify it I suppose. She saves our butt and people call it a betrayal.

[HiroVoid]

Hazegurl wrote...

My male noble warden romanced her and went into the mirror. He did it knowing she used him but he used her as well. I like to think of them as two adorable bastards who sort of maybe love each other but neither are too willing to totally admit it.

My female warden didn't totally get along with her but thanked her and had no desire to look for her. She just wanted her and Alistair to live.

I don't get why people think Morrigan betrayed them. She pretty much tells you what she plans to do.

Eh.  There are several arguments people could make.  She leaves anyone in a romance until Witch Hunt though she tries to have a non-serious relationship in the first place.  She leaves the battlefield if you don't do what she wants, but I don't see that as bad as most of the Warden's companions are volunteers.  The only one I would say is a betrayal is Alistair since being a Grey Warden, it's technically his duty to fight in a blight which is what generations of wardens try to prepare for.

[HiroVoid]

Killdren88 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

My male noble warden romanced her and went into the mirror. He did it knowing she used him but he used her as well. I like to think of them as two adorable bastards who sort of maybe love each other but neither are too willing to totally admit it.

My female warden didn't totally get along with her but thanked her and had no desire to look for her. She just wanted her and Alistair to live.

I don't get why people think Morrigan betrayed them. She pretty much tells you what she plans to do.

Anything to justify it I suppose. She saves our butt and people call it a betrayal.

If you don't do the Dark Ritual, she technically never saves you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hazegurl wrote...

My male noble warden romanced her and went into the mirror. He did it knowing she used him but he used her as well. I like to think of them as two adorable bastards who sort of maybe love each other but neither are too willing to totally admit it.

My female warden didn't totally get along with her but thanked her and had no desire to look for her. She just wanted her and Alistair to live.

I don't get why people think Morrigan betrayed them. She pretty much tells you what she plans to do.

Because she decided go into my command and be member of the team which goal was put down archdemon and end blight when we refuse being her puppet then she run away betraying leader and friend or lover if have something more with her. 

[HiroVoid]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

My male noble warden romanced her and went into the mirror. He did it knowing she used him but he used her as well. I like to think of them as two adorable bastards who sort of maybe love each other but neither are too willing to totally admit it.

My female warden didn't totally get along with her but thanked her and had no desire to look for her. She just wanted her and Alistair to live.

I don't get why people think Morrigan betrayed them. She pretty much tells you what she plans to do.

Because she decided go into my command and be member of the team which goal was put down archdemon and end blight when we refuse being her puppet then she run away betraying leader and friend or lover if have something more with her. 

She's a volunteer.  She doesn't actually have any obligation to stay around.

[Br3admax]

Why are we trying to find reasons to kill people? Why are we asking the writers to make reasons for us to kill people? I honestly want to know.