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[Ryzaki]

David Gaider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Can we at least not get forced companions that are blatantly against our PC's goals? I miss being able to dismiss almost everyone in DAO.

That's a little different. I think most of the party members in DAI are optional or dismissable--if not all. For other characters, or party members that aren't, it really depends on whether the story offers an alternate route around their death. Sometimes we'll endeavour to put that in, if we feel allowing for their death adds something worthwhile--but we don't feel it always is, particularly if the amount of work required to provide an alternate path in the story is enormous in comparison. Naturally, the mileage of a particular fan on that account is going to vary, especially when it comes to things they believe are worthy of summary execution.

YAY to the bolded.

Fair enough  I'm happy as long as I have *some* way of expressing that they and my PC can't work together. I'm just as good with a "you need to go this isn't working" than murderknife in most situations.

[HiroVoid]

Ryzaki wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Can we at least not get forced companions that are blatantly against our PC's goals? I miss being able to dismiss almost everyone in DAO.

That's a little different. I think most of the party members in DAI are optional or dismissable--if not all. For other characters, or party members that aren't, it really depends on whether the story offers an alternate route around their death. Sometimes we'll endeavour to put that in, if we feel allowing for their death adds something worthwhile--but we don't feel it always is, particularly if the amount of work required to provide an alternate path in the story is enormous in comparison. Naturally, the mileage of a particular fan on that account is going to vary, especially when it comes to things they believe are worthy of summary execution.

YAY to the bolded.

Fair enough  I'm happy as long as I have *some* way of expressing that they and my PC can't work together. I'm just as good with a "you need to go this isn't working" than murderknife in most situations.

And one of those who can't be dismissed is moderate pro-templar Cassandra.

[Killdren88]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Morrigan never went against the Warden's cause. She was always extremely straightforward about what the ritual would do, and there is no one I would trust the OGB with other than Morrigan and the Warden.

^This. She never betrays you. At this point she is a Mercenary who wanted her pay in  pregnacy. She didn't get it so she left.

Modifié par Killdren88, 28 novembre 2013 - 05:56 .

[Hazegurl]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

My male noble warden romanced her and went into the mirror. He did it knowing she used him but he used her as well. I like to think of them as two adorable bastards who sort of maybe love each other but neither are too willing to totally admit it.

My female warden didn't totally get along with her but thanked her and had no desire to look for her. She just wanted her and Alistair to live.

I don't get why people think Morrigan betrayed them. She pretty much tells you what she plans to do.

Because she decided go into my command and be member of the team which goal was put down archdemon and end blight when we refuse being her puppet then she run away betraying leader and friend or lover if have something more with her. 

She's a volunteer.  She doesn't actually have any obligation to stay around.

So what she decided join to me if you join the army there is no im volunteer i m get out of here see ya it still desertion she joined to my party where i command so she need shut her mouth and listen to me if she don't like it she shouldn't join to me. Of course im not loyal person and not that i wouldn't betray someone but still she betrayed us.

But you're not an army. You're just two wardens alone trying to stop a Blight. By all rights Morrigan could have ditched you in Lothering. Her mother saved you so really she doesn't owe you anything.

edit: yay for being able to dismiss companions!  I loved that about DAO

Modifié par Hazegurl, 28 novembre 2013 - 05:59 .

[Ryzaki]

HiroVoid wrote...
And one of those who can't be dismissed is moderate pro-templar Cassandra.

As long as they're not making me go "wait what? WHY AM I STILL WITH YOU?" I don't care. (Playing a pro templar with Anders and Merrill in the group was awkward.) I eventually just HC'd them saving Bethany or Hawke's life and him owing them a life debt.

[HiroVoid]

Killdren88 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Morrigan never went against the Warden's cause. She was always extremely straightforward about what the ritual would do, and there is no one I would trust the OGB with other than Morrigan and the Warden.

^This. She never betrays you. At this point she is a Mercenary who wanted her pay in  pregnacy. She didn't get it so she left.

A bit off-topic, but I always find it pretty darkly hilarious to reverse the situation with a male Morrigan who has to get a female warden or Alistair pregnant to survive.

[Reznore57]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Morrigan never went against the Warden's cause. She was always extremely straightforward about what the ritual would do, and there is no one I would trust the OGB with other than Morrigan and the Warden.

I'm not sure I would call her "straightforward".I mean , yeah she tells you she wants to save the soul.
But not what she's going to do with it.
She's very straightforward about "Duh , I'm not telling you this " though.

[Afro_Explosion]

Killdren88 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Morrigan never went against the Warden's cause. She was always extremely straightforward about what the ritual would do, and there is no one I would trust the OGB with other than Morrigan and the Warden.

^This. She never betrays you. At this point she is a Mercenary who wanted her pay in  pregnacy. She didn't get it so she left.

I'd trust ohgren or sten with the OGB, because im a bad parent

[Ryzaki]

HiroVoid wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Morrigan never went against the Warden's cause. She was always extremely straightforward about what the ritual would do, and there is no one I would trust the OGB with other than Morrigan and the Warden.

^This. She never betrays you. At this point she is a Mercenary who wanted her pay in  pregnacy. She didn't get it so she left.

A bit off-topic, but I always find it pretty darkly hilarious to reverse the situation with a male Morrigan who has to get a female warden or Alistair pregnant to survive.

Ha so do I. It would've been a lot more of a "oh crap." moment for me.

[Nefla]

I think wanting to kill a companion is the result of being really annoyed by or hating a certain companion and not getting the option of not recruiting them or kicking them to the curb later. If we had the option in DA2 to not recruit or even see Merril, that would have been fine but even though she was in no way essential to the plot, she is forced on you. If you never take her with you she still shows up in your house a bunch of times and messes with your dog, the hanged man, and shows up at the final battle. I was so annoyed by her personality and my inability to get rid of her that I would have paid for a DLC where I could murder knife her in act 1.

[Ryzaki]

Nefla wrote...

I think wanting to kill a companion is the result of being really annoyed by or hating a certain companion and not getting the option of not recruiting them or kicking them to the curb later. If we had the option in DA2 to not recruit or even see Merril, that would have been fine but even though she was in no way essential to the plot, she is forced on you. If you never take her with you she still shows up in your house a bunch of times and messes with your dog, the hanged man, and shows up at the final battle. I was so annoyed by her personality and my inability to get rid of her that I would have paid for a DLC where I could murder knife her in act 1.

This is the exact issue I have with Jack. I kill her because there's no other way to get rid of her.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Killdren88 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
So what she joined to my party and im leader i have authority over her and to betray you don't be be bond only by law so...

I suppose you should have laid it out to her before she joined.

Well i asumed that warded did that to their peoples off-screen becuase warden sets in camp everything and commanding everyone giving them orders.

Br3ad wrote...

How exactly does she betray you again? I
never heard her swear allegiance you, nor have I heard her make any
promises. Sorry she didn't follow the assumptions never told to her.

And that she joined you and if you join to someone and then backstab that person it is still betrayal for example you can betray friend and you didn't swear or make promises god like to child...

And so she has to die for that?

No she doesn't have to do nothing but she joined to my team and know what she is going for so it was betrayal

Hazegurl wrote...



But you're not an army. You're just two wardens
alone trying to stop a Blight. By all rights Morrigan could have
ditched you in Lothering. Her mother saved you so really she doesn't owe
you anything.

edit: yay for being able to dismiss companions!  I loved that about DAO

Sigh i won't explain that for 101051235 times
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN ARMY TO BETRAY SOMEONE YOU CAN BETRAY YOUR FRIEND YOUR LOVER OR PARTY MEMBER AND NO YOU DON'T HAVE SIGN CONTRACTS TO BETRAY SOMEONE. AND SHE JOIN MY DAMN PARTY WHERE I WAS LEADER AND THEN SET ME UP.

I doubt that will be successful i still renember disscusion with you that romacing leliana and morrigan both aren't headcanon.  

[Br3admax]

The problem with that theory is Morrigan can be removed from the very second you leave the Wilds. Wanting to kill Morrigan has nothing to do with wanting to remove her from the party.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Br3ad wrote...

The problem with that theory is Morrigan can be removed from the very second you leave the Wilds. Wanting to kill Morrigan has nothing to do with wanting to remove her from the party.

Still she shows up in the end killing her near the end of the game if you did ritual have sense.

[Br3admax]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Sigh i won't explain that for 101051235 times
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN ARMY TO BETRAY SOMEONE YOU CAN BETRAY YOUR FRIEND YOUR LOVER OR PARTY MEMBER AND NO YOU DON'T HAVE SIGN CONTRACTS TO BETRAY SOMEONE. AND SHE JOIN MY DAMN PARTY WHERE I WAS LEADER AND THEN SET ME UP.

I doubt that will be successful i still renember disscusion with you that romacing leliana and morrigan both aren't headcanon.  

Do you know what betrayal actually means, considering that you are shouting about it for no reason? She doesn't set you up for anything. You would have had the exact same choices with her telling you before. It's not like she causes Grey Wardens to die when they fight archdemons. This is an issue that has more to do with your dislike of her than her actually actions. 

[Br3admax]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

The problem with that theory is Morrigan can be removed from the very second you leave the Wilds. Wanting to kill Morrigan has nothing to do with wanting to remove her from the party.

Still she shows up in the end killing her near the end of the game if you did ritual have sense.

What does this mean? And how is this related to hating a character from wanting to remove them? And finally, you still don't have let her join, but obviously she would have to be there to be there. 

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

The problem with that theory is Morrigan can be removed from the very second you leave the Wilds. Wanting to kill Morrigan has nothing to do with wanting to remove her from the party.

Oh of course that excuse doesn't work for all characters but it does for alot of them.

(Though I love removing Morrigan right after entering Lothering and still hearing her voice with no body during the first few scenes).

[Hazegurl]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Sigh i won't explain that for 101051235 times
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN ARMY TO BETRAY SOMEONE YOU CAN BETRAY YOUR FRIEND YOUR LOVER OR PARTY MEMBER AND NO YOU DON'T HAVE SIGN CONTRACTS TO BETRAY SOMEONE. AND SHE JOIN MY DAMN PARTY WHERE I WAS LEADER AND THEN SET ME UP.

I doubt that will be successful i still renember disscusion with you that romacing leliana and morrigan both aren't headcanon.  

You can yell and keep explaining 10 million times and people still have a right to disagree with you. You're the one comparing the Warden and his crew to a military and claiming that Morrigan isn't a volunteer. You're the one acting like she owes you undying loyalty for nothing other than the fact that you are in charge.

[Medhia Nox]

Since I don't expect Morrigan to be anywhere close to the same obnoxious b--ch she was in DA:O I think my Inquisitor "might" find common ground with her.

But that's only because I think she's going to have radically different goals than she did in DA:O and will perceive her young self as ignorant and short sighted (like any person who has grown)

Still - even though "I" strongly disliked her as a character and would never befriend someone like her in real life - I wouldn't kill her.

[DarthSliver]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
So what she joined to my party and im leader i have authority over her and to betray you don't be be bond only by law so...

I suppose you should have laid it out to her before she joined.

Well i asumed that warded did that to their peoples off-screen becuase warden sets in camp everything and commanding everyone giving them orders.

Br3ad wrote...

How exactly does she betray you again? I
never heard her swear allegiance you, nor have I heard her make any
promises. Sorry she didn't follow the assumptions never told to her.

And that she joined you and if you join to someone and then backstab that person it is still betrayal for example you can betray friend and you didn't swear or make promises god like to child...

she joined you because her mother made her join you, doubt there is betrayal in that when she leaves because she disagrees with you

[TheKomandorShepard]

i give up i could explain that thousand times but i peoples will shouting still if you don't sign 1000 contrats with someone and don't get permision from goverment you can't betray someone... it is like talking with pro-mages or templars about their faction.

[Killdren88]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

i give up i could explain that thousand times but i peoples will shouting still if you don't sign 1000 contrats with someone and don't get permision from goverment you can't betray someone... it is like talking with pro-mages or templars about their faction.

I don't see it as betrayal. She didn't get what she was sent for so she has no reason to stay. I'd be the same way.