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[Titus Thongger]

I melee everything all the time so fitness is a must

[AustereLemur799]

dumdum2 wrote...

AustereLemur799 wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

I always like to take the first 2 ranks in fitness, I never go without at least 2 ranks. Full fitness on drell adept and vanguard (movement speed), juggernaut, destroyer, krogan vanguard, and possibly a few more. At the end of the day, on most characters, the main thing that makes a difference to survivability is using a cyclonic 3 or 4, rather than how many points you have in fitness.

We must get some duos going soon! Do you have any lvl 20 characters or are you still promoting?

Lvl 20? What?

I'm pretty sure I haven't played that since SP.

What? You also promote like an idiot for N7 rank? 

Sorry if that's a crime?

I'm old-school back when there was nothing wrong whatsoever with promoting and we didn't have the challenge point system to measure experience.

I like to try out different builds. Sometimes I like to experiment; sometimes I get it wrong and like to start over.

Playing with lower level characters is a personal challenge?

Why is there stigma against promoting?

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 23 octobre 2013 - 03:59 .

[IllusiveManJr]

Promoters are the Antichrists of BSN.

[Moby]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

Why is there stigma against promoting?

BSN gonna BSN.

[Mikael_Sebastia]

AustereLemur799 wrote...
Sorry if that's a crime?

I'm old-school back when there was nothing wrong whatsoever with promoting and we didn't have the challenge point system to measure experience.

I like to try out different builds. Sometimes I like to experiment; sometimes I get it wrong and like to start over.

Playing with lower level characters is a personal challenge?

Why is there stigma against promoting?

An enlightened guess is because of the people who give NC-rating significance and meaning it doesn't have, and who are smug, obnoxious and vocal about it at the same time (goes hand in hand usually, like Kook, et al). I believe otherwise people are pretty indifferent about it, even if they don't do it themselves (at least I am).

[AustereLemur799]

Mikael_Sebastia wrote...

AustereLemur799 wrote...
Sorry if that's a crime?

I'm old-school back when there was nothing wrong whatsoever with promoting and we didn't have the challenge point system to measure experience.

I like to try out different builds. Sometimes I like to experiment; sometimes I get it wrong and like to start over.

Playing with lower level characters is a personal challenge?

Why is there stigma against promoting?

An enlightened guess is because of the people who give NC-rating significance and meaning it doesn't have, and who are smug, obnoxious and vocal about it at the same time (goes hand in hand usually, like Kook, et al). I believe otherwise people are pretty indifferent about it, even if they don't do it themselves (at least I am).

Um?

All I know is that people who have a tenth of my challenge points routinely outscore me. I'm just bad at this game.

...And that's probably why I retired, no?

Disclaimer: I know it's not about score, but I don't make a very effective cannon-fodder since I get killed too quickly.

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 23 octobre 2013 - 04:53 .

[Mikael_Sebastia]

AustereLemur799 wrote...
Um?

All I know is that people who have a tenth of my challenge points routinely outscore me. I'm just bad at this game.

...And that's probably why I retired, no?

Disclaimer: I know it's not about score, but I don't make a very effective cannon-fodder since I get killed too quickly.

You asked why there was a stigma against promoting, and I believe that's why. Probably otherwise nobody wouldn't pay any mind to the issue, if there wasn't these certain people being annoying about their NC-rating in forums / in-game (being it kicking other people solely because of it, or bragging about it, etc). That's all.

[FromTheAlps]

Skill and N7-rank are directly related to each other as shown in this scientific formula:

Skill=(average aiming capabilty of an Adas User) / (750 - N7rank)                [verner]

Modifié par Ultner, 23 octobre 2013 - 06:24 .

[AustereLemur799]

Ultner wrote...

Skill and N7-rank are directly related to each other as shown in this scientific formula:

Skill=(average aiming capabilty of an Adas User) / (750 - N7rank) [werner]

That probably sounds about right. But I'd just attribute it to a person's Cobra use.

Personally my accuracy sucks. I probably account for more than the 50% missed in that department (sorry! )

[Learn To Love Yourself]

So many Promophobes

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Skipping singularity? I've heard it all now.

[the slynx]

All I can think of when I see threads like this is that people must have much better connections to random hosts than I do here in East Asia.

With high latency, fitness is the only thing (other than finite Cyclonics consumables) standing between you and sudden, inexplicable death, even if you're being careful.

[Sinapus]

Why does this constant spamming of the word "scrub" sound as devastating as not being invited to sit with the "cool" kids in the lunchroom at school?

[IllusiveManJr]

Jack Crapper wrote...

So many Promophobes

Make a thread and work that word onto the title. 

[MASSKETEER]

Deerber wrote...

MASSKETEER wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

MASSKETEER, my suggestion is that you read point 4 of the OP.

 

Oh yes, you're right. My fault. But I wouldn't spec into fitness just for a 10% increase in movement speed. Because  what rather keeps you alive (when using the drell adept) are the extra points in health and shields and not   the 10%. So it's hard for me to understand the argument to spec into fitness only for some kind of secondary benefit.

Oh man, you are so, so wrong...

 

Would be nice to know why.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

The faster you move, the less damage you take.

Simple, really.

Modifié par FatherOfPearl, 23 octobre 2013 - 11:08 .

[Deerber]

MASSKETEER wrote...

Deerber wrote...

MASSKETEER wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

MASSKETEER, my suggestion is that you read point 4 of the OP.

 

Oh yes, you're right. My fault. But I wouldn't spec into fitness just for a 10% increase in movement speed. Because  what rather keeps you alive (when using the drell adept) are the extra points in health and shields and not   the 10%. So it's hard for me to understand the argument to spec into fitness only for some kind of secondary benefit.

Oh man, you are so, so wrong...

 

Would be nice to know why.

FatherOfPearl wrote...

The faster you move, the less damage you take.

Simple, really.

Pretty much this. Bosses are always going to 1-shot your shields and health, no matter how many ranks of fitness you have, so especially on platinum the extra health and shields are absolutely meaningless on him. What changes is the ability to dodge bullets and sprint from cover to cover before the enemy can get a lock on you. And that is what the 20% bonus speed is for. Because it's 20%, not 10%.

Mikael_Sebastia wrote...

Oh, I wasn’t aware of that. So far you are the only really good player whom I’ve played with and who is advocating this, so I guess there might be something in this after all. Even if I really think what OP is proposing is mostly BS (not entirely, but almost), and I’d be really glad if he could expose my fitness using scrubby ways with an in-game demonstration (or failing that good arguments, etc).

But it’s true we should really play more together anyway, so perhaps you could show me superiority of OP’s doctrine by something like a Platinum duo? I am thinking along the lines of Condor / Hydra, against Collectors with something classical like a Tsoldier + Hurricane and you without using any fitness. I am just damn curious to see how it would look like in-game, instead of a slogan like declarations on BSN.

First of all, unless explicitely specified, I guess one should assume the OP is talking about the normal circumstances of this game. Which is definitely not a platinum duo on Condor, but a 4 men team on a random map instead. It's pretty obvious that in duos and solos fitness starts to get much more importance because you get double, or 4 times, the aggro. I don't suppose it's hard to imagine, is it?

So, your request of me showing you how fitness is half useless with a platinum duo is... Flawed, at best.

Plus, the Tsol is one of those character in which not speccing into fitness is kind of dumb, as you surely won't need both his non-MM powers, he has no dodge, and he's likely to get some incoming fire.

So, as I already said, I am willing to show you how even squishy character like an FQE, or any other character in which I find it the right choice to go no fitness, can do excellent without any sort of fitness and/or cyclonic in a 4 men team. Preferably on gold, as it's both the difficulty I enjoy most and the one in which fitness has the highest importance, but I can do platinum too if the connection to the host is very good, or I host myself.

Modifié par Deerber, 23 octobre 2013 - 12:38 .

[NuclearTech76]

Let me sum it up a little easier Deerber. 200 points of barrier equates to around 1 bullet from the most basic trooper on Plat. Not one volley of 3 to 5 rounds which will shieldgate a drell regardless but one bullet out of that volley.

The 325 shields from basic human equates to around 2-3 bullets from the most basic enemies. And there isn't that many basic enemies in Plat.

[MASSKETEER]

Deerber wrote...

MASSKETEER wrote...

Deerber wrote...

MASSKETEER wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

MASSKETEER, my suggestion is that you read point 4 of the OP.

 

Oh yes, you're right. My fault. But I wouldn't spec into fitness just for a 10% increase in movement speed. Because  what rather keeps you alive (when using the drell adept) are the extra points in health and shields and not   the 10%. So it's hard for me to understand the argument to spec into fitness only for some kind of secondary benefit.

Oh man, you are so, so wrong...

 

Would be nice to know why.

FatherOfPearl wrote...

The faster you move, the less damage you take.

Simple, really.

Pretty much this. Bosses are always going to 1-shot your shields and health, no matter how many ranks of fitness you have, so especially on platinum the extra health and shields are absolutely meaningless on him. What changes is the ability to dodge bullets and sprint from cover to cover before the enemy can get a lock on you. And that is what the 20% bonus speed is for. Because it's 20%, not 10%.

 

I see. Thanx for the explanation. I just had the impression that I could survive a little longer with the drell when using a full fitness build. But obviously my impression was wrong and it rather was my gameplay.
Thanx a lot. Maybe I can drell even better now 

[Deerber]

MASSKETEER wrote...
  
I see. Thanx for the explanation. I just had the impression that I could survive a little longer with the drell when using a full fitness build. But obviously my impression was wrong and it rather was my gameplay.
Thanx a lot. Maybe I can drell even better now 

Anytime. But let me be clear: you do survive a lot more going full fitness, and you should always go full fitness with any Drell.

But, that's simply more for the 20% speed increase than for the x% health/shields increase. So on other classes, that do not offer that speed increase, going full fitness is usually... Well, a lot less useful, trying to state things as objectively as possible.

[Supreme Leech]

AustereLemur799 wrote...

I don't make a very effective cannon-fodder since I get killed too quickly.

That's my problem, but I'm sure it's not the case for you!

[Supreme Leech]

dumdum2 wrote...
What? You also promote like an idiot for N7 rank? 

This really hurt .

[NuclearTech76]

Deerber wrote...

MASSKETEER wrote...
  
I see. Thanx for the explanation. I just had the impression that I could survive a little longer with the drell when using a full fitness build. But obviously my impression was wrong and it rather was my gameplay.
Thanx a lot. Maybe I can drell even better now 

Anytime. But let me be clear: you do survive a lot more going full fitness, and you should always go full fitness with any Drell.

But, that's simply more for the 20% speed increase than for the x% health/shields increase. So on other classes, that do not offer that speed increase, going full fitness is usually... Well, a lot less useful, trying to state things as objectively as possible.

Eh you can definitely get away without full fitness on the Infiltrator if running and gunning with homing nades. I ran a harrier build on Plat with only four fitness for a long time. No cyclonics, or adren either. Power amps for the nades and RM. Swarmers are a **** though.

[Creator Limbs]

XFG-65 wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...
What? You also promote like an idiot for N7 rank? 

This really hurt .

You are an idiot, so...

[Supreme Leech]

The thing that has always bothered me about the drell infiltrator is not knowing how to spec him. Like you guys have already mentioned, I always like to go full fitness on drells for that 20% movement speed bonus. But what about the rest of his points - do I skip a couple ranks of his passives? Do I just completely leave out homing grenades? I always max out his mine and grenades, but not really sure how to allocate the rest of his points, so I don't play him much.