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[UC SIM]

Honestly got bored of this about 2 minutes in. Sex and the reasons behind is procreation, for humans the act is usually performed after meeting someone and getting to know them, building a relationship and eventually the deed may be done. So for him to **** about how its a "culmination" of just that is eh.. Anyway opinions of such ect. are only built by the people around you. 40 years ago the Cinema seen thought that Porno like movies were the only way to save Cinema as interest was dwindling. They honestly thought that movies such as 99 prisoners would become common place; if it had people would not question vivid sex in movies because it would have become part of the culture.

[myahele]

Another sex topic?

Sheesh, its an M rated video game. I expect as much sex scenes in it as an r rated movie.

I do not need to see a game of thrones esque "love" scenes or any gratuitous nudity

[Dominus]

Movie level would be a significant step backward for roleplaying games, I think. RPGs allow the creation of better and deeper stories than those we see in movies, and have done so for decades.

Games were meant to be played, romantic involvement or not. Back when Mass Effect 2's Morinth Conversation picked up, I was personally impressed that it was more demanding of previous knowledge from around the bar what you knew of her(though Intidimation/Charm also played a role). Maybe that poster meant movie level in graphical quality, but I can't say for sure.

[Archaven]

lol.. naysayers of sex or intimate cutscenes should just relax. bioware will be forever the same. boobs and cleavage are more offensive than killing,blood and gore. with developing games for teens game could sell more..

[Hazegurl]

I don't get what the big deal is with sex in games. I wouldn't mind it one bit if BW had longer sex scenes. It shows the intimacy between the romantic parties. I don't want to see my character and their LI holding hands by the fireplace like some preteen romance novel. If a player doesn't want sex scenes then there should be an option to turn down their LI for sex and either break up or maintain the relationship.

And if you think all romances are pointless then why even care if the romance content has sex in it or not? It just seems like this is a case of people not wanting something in the game and will make damn sure no one else get to have it too. smh.

[JoltDealer]

Wulfram wrote...

I think most people talk to the other person in a relationship a number of times.  Really, this seems a particularly odd line of criticism - are we saying that realistic relationships consist of people silently taking off their clothes in front of strangers and hoping they'll reciprocate or what?

First off, you know that's not what I meant and it's not very constructive to patronize somebody when having an open discussion.  Secondly, of course there's talking in a relationship, but talking to them a set amount of times doesn't equal love, much less sex.  My issue is with Bioware romances having a set pattern.  In Dragon Age, there's approval points.  Get the points high enough through gifts or conversations, then you'll have the romance scene.  In Mass Effect it's all about conversations.  Talk to them the right way (i.e. don't be an **** to them) about three or four times, they give you the "we have feelings for each other" talk and then the romance scene happens before the final mission.  The characters and dialogue are different, but every romance in their respective games is the same in this aspect.

Wulfram wrote...

Well, it's not a very accurate reflection of Bioware romances, either.  What with DA romances not ending after sex (except Leliana), and ME romances not having the approval system and thus making step 2 and 3 irrelevant.

What I described was a combination of both Mass Effect and Dragon Age romances.  I did it on purpose to illustrate the problem with Bioware's portrayal of romances.  And in Dragon Age, it barely progressed past the romance scene.  Yes, you could bed your lover at any time afterwards and they would call you things like, "My Love."  However aside from those two things, their dialogue remains unchanged towards the PC and the romance is barely developed past that point until the final mission.

[Mathias]

Hazegurl wrote...

I don't get what the big deal is with sex in games. I wouldn't mind it one bit if BW had longer sex scenes. It shows the intimacy between the romantic parties. I don't want to see my character and their LI holding hands by the fireplace like some preteen romance novel. If a player doesn't want sex scenes then there should be an option to turn down their LI for sex and either break up or maintain the relationship.

Exactly. These aren't jRPGs about a bunch of teens saving the world with a really bad romantic sidestory. Dragon Age is a much more mature storyline, in a grittier setting, with fully grown adults as the protagonists. 

And if you think all romances are pointless then why even care if the romance content has sex in it or not? It just seems like this is a case of people not wanting something in the game and will make damn sure no one else get to have it too. smh.

People like to be a stick in the mud and try to ruin the fun for everyone else.

/shrug

[Zatche]

Han Shot First wrote...

My problem with the fade-to-black in video games is that it tends to be jarring. The characters kiss, its implied that they are going to have sex, the screen fades to back and then fades back in with one or both characters just standing around fully clothed like nothing happened.

That isn't to say that a fade-to-black can't be used, just that in video games it tends to be used very poorly. If a fade-to-black is going to be used for a sex scene I think it is better to have it play out like it would in some movies. The screen fades to black and then you get an 'Elsewhere in the world' cutscene with something relevant to the plot going on. For example had it been used in DA:O, it would have faded-to-black and then you'd get the cutscene of Loghain employing Zevran to assassinate the Warden. You then have it fade back into the Warden and post-coital dialogue with Morrigan, Leliana, or Alistair.

To be clear, I'm not advocating a fade-to-black. But if devs were to use it, I would hope they would use it in a more cinematic fashion.

I honestly dont care either way. My point is: we are skipping most of the sex anyway. Delaying the time skip 20 seconds doesn't really alleviate the problem you bring up. Nor does a sex montage.

So I think fade to black does the job just fine. If the devs think a sex scene will better demonstrate intimacy, I'm fine with that. And if they feel like adding nudity just because, also fine, as long they don't pretend it's the "mature" thing to do.

[Archaven]

Hazegurl wrote...

I don't get what the big deal is with sex in games. I wouldn't mind it one bit if BW had longer sex scenes. It shows the intimacy between the romantic parties. I don't want to see my character and their LI holding hands by the fireplace like some preteen romance novel. If a player doesn't want sex scenes then there should be an option to turn down their LI for sex and either break up or maintain the relationship.

And if you think all romances are pointless then why even care if the romance content has sex in it or not? It just seems like this is a case of people not wanting something in the game and will make damn sure no one else get to have it too. smh.

Yeah.. when fanatics object it. Everyone shouldn't have it

@CrimsonSound

I agree with you whole-heartedly. That's what i felt. Hopefully this time around we could have a much better romance/love relationship. Pacing is key. If anyone watched the Avatar movie.. that love story has the best pacing. In 3 hours.. James Cameroon is able to pack all actions, a good plot and paced the development of relationship between Jake Sully and Neytiri. There's also feeling of betrayal and how Jake won back Neytiri's trust/confidence by riding the Toruk Makto.

Modifié par Archaven, 23 octobre 2013 - 04:32 .

[Ianamus]

Hazegurl wrote...

I don't get what the big deal is with sex in games. I wouldn't mind it one bit if BW had longer sex scenes. It shows the intimacy between the romantic parties. I don't want to see my character and their LI holding hands by the fireplace like some preteen romance novel. If a player doesn't want sex scenes then there should be an option to turn down their LI for sex and either break up or maintain the relationship.

And if you think all romances are pointless then why even care if the romance content has sex in it or not? It just seems like this is a case of people not wanting something in the game and will make damn sure no one else get to have it too. smh.

I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't look awful, and Dragon Age Origins and 2's character models wrapped awkwardly around each other with the seams stretching looked really, really awful. 

If, however, Frostbite 3's engine allows for decent looking scenes like Mass Effect 1's and they can get the animations to a high enough quality then I have no objections.

Modifié par EJ107, 23 octobre 2013 - 04:37 .

[Thomas Andresen]

I'll admit I stopped watching around the time he said the sex scenes didn't add anything to the story and therefore shouldn't be included and...that they were automatically souless, purposeless fanservice. Yes, I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially his entire point.

What I took away from that vid was not that the scenes shouldn't be included at all, more that they shouldn't be included for their own sake. Which is something I can agree with. Not that I have a problem with how it's been done previously in the series(aside from the particulars of the scenes).

He even states that Sex scenes are pretty much standard in Bioware games yet KOTOR had no such things

Neither did Jade Empire, or any BioWare game before that. The "sex scenes" started with Mass Effect. (Also, SWtOR romances doesn't have those scenes either, though they are implied)

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 23 octobre 2013 - 06:12 .

[Hilarystamp]

Personally.......I think romance is great in games. It's no different than any movie that has it. There is hundreds of movies that have romance and sex scenes just for the sake of having them. And yet people don't complain or whine they still love the movie. I do feel like it adds to the games however. We make the story our own and certain people like having that option. If you don't want to deal with the relationship part in your story, then just don't do it. They make it so you don't need it to play the games. So why let it bother you if you can just bypass if you want.

[Reever]

He may have some good points in general, but I don't he's right in particular about ME/DA. Or at least not with everything.
When I started playing ME for the first time, I didn't even know about romances (or did I?), or at least I didn't do it for the sex at the end. I just wanted to get as much content (and interesting conversations & character development) as possible.

[Ryzaki]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I agree I really don't see the point in sex scenes. They might as well be FTB in my opinion.

The romances on the other hand are enjoyable and I'd enjoy the game less without them. The sex scenes could vanish and I wouldn't give a damn though.

But I enjoy the sex scenes and I think it would detract from my relationship arc with a character if they were removed from the game. So who should Bioware please? The obvious answer to me is to not get rid of sex scenes, and if they bother you THAT much, simply push x and voila! You skipped over the scene. Or how about removing the sex scenes via the option menu, in the same light as you remove the gratituous blood? That could be an idea.

I can understand if people want to criticize the sex scenes for the purpose of hoping Bioware would improve on them. But there are people who think Bioware should just take a sledgehammer to them and remove them entirely. This is not the way to go about it imo.

Fair enough but the sex scenes are just there. And yeah I usually deal with it by mashing spacebar.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

The advantage with fade-to-black is you can fill in what happened with whatever you like.  Maybe it was just a make-out session and that was the end of it.  CLothes stayed on and feet stayed onteh floor.  Maybe the two got into some really kinky stuff involving a mage's staff, a mabari, and pickle juice.  Or something in-between. 

As far as I'm concerned, everyone wins.  The player gets whatever scene they can imagine.  The devs save zots that can be used elsewhere.  And the romance still progresses.

This.

Half of the hilarity of the DAO pearl was the fade to blacks.

[Renmiri1]

This guy is an idiot. he makes a speech about stuff he knows nothing about. Romances on DA and ME were not framed like a miniquest - unlike the witcher - and were completely connected to the story. Heck my LI moved into my PC's house after romance!

He was talking about game plots he never played just to plug his preconceived ideas.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 26 octobre 2013 - 07:14 .

[shootist70]

Renmiri1 wrote...

This guy is an idiot. he makes a speech about stuff he knows nothing about. Romances on DA and ME were not framed like a miniquest - unlike the witcher - and were completely connected to the story. Heck my LI moved into my PC's house after romance!

He was talking about game plots he never played just to plug his preconceived ideas.

I think Jim Serling was spot on. Sex is a hell of a lot of fun - it has huge entertainment value. There's nothing wrong with using it for that value, which is why you'll find it in so many creative works from historical bodice-rippers to the loin cloths of fantasy settings  - whether it's in books or movies etc etc.

This is all very healthy and human, and it's fine if we going to be honest about it. It all starts looking a bit stupid, however, if you're going to include that sort of entertainment on that level, and then get all coy about it and start expressing 'tasteful' pretensions.

Why bother? Bioware have never been about creating works of meaningful artistic merit - it's all about lightweight entertainment. And I don't mean that as an insult. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's entertaining.

And the fact is, we've found sex in our myths, fantasies and legends to be thumping good entertainment since the sagas of the ancient and classical world. There's no need to be coy about it.

Modifié par shootist70, 26 octobre 2013 - 07:41 .