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[Star fury]

Qistina wrote...

In WW2, most prisoners of war are just killed sooner or later because of they draining resources, why want to feed the enemy? Concentration camps are just a place to interrogate, for fun (rape fest) and forced labor (to build rail roads and so on), after they are used the prisoners are usually killed

So the Chantry pay heavy resource drainage to keep both Templars and Mages in the Circles...that is why they systematically kill apprentices in Harrowing and kill apostates whenever they meet them...they don't really want to capture apostates, they kill them...Circle Mages are mostly the ones who taken from childhood and so they can be brainwashed, the mature apostates like Hawke facing death if meet Templars on the road

Your analogy is terribly wrong.

[Steelcan]

Star fury wrote...

Qistina wrote...

In WW2, most prisoners of war are just killed sooner or later because of they draining resources, why want to feed the enemy? Concentration camps are just a place to interrogate, for fun (rape fest) and forced labor (to build rail roads and so on), after they are used the prisoners are usually killed

So the Chantry pay heavy resource drainage to keep both Templars and Mages in the Circles...that is why they systematically kill apprentices in Harrowing and kill apostates whenever they meet them...they don't really want to capture apostates, they kill them...Circle Mages are mostly the ones who taken from childhood and so they can be brainwashed, the mature apostates like Hawke facing death if meet Templars on the road

Your analogy is terribly wrong.

Qistina isn't bound by things like sanity

[errant_knight]

You're pretty much ignoring equally plausible arguments and making stuff up that's entirely outside lore. It's impossible to debate that without ignoring logic just as entirely.

[dragonflight288]

Templars___________Mages

There's the line, meet in the middle. lol

[AlexanderCousland]

I suggest not forcing Mage's into the circle. But instead make a Circle education paramount for Mage's to succeed in Society . Thus keeping the Circle intact without making anyone absolutely have to go, just make it extremely difficult if they dont. Mage's must learn to master themselves, The Circle is still good for that.

[Boycott Bioware]

FreshIstay wrote...
I suggest not forcing Mage's into the circle. But instead make a Circle education paramount for Mage's to succeed in Society . Thus keeping the Circle intact without making anyone absolutely have to go, just make it extremely difficult if they dont. Mage's must learn to master themselves, The Circle is still good for that.

Who want to pay for that? The Chantry? The peoples? The government?

If want to make like modern university where the students must pay then it is fine, but modern university is not guarded by military force of religious organization and indoctrinate the students with the religion, and how many Mages can afford to pay? Who will run the university?

It still cannot separate from politic and religion, there is interests....

[RobRam10]

FreshIstay wrote...

I suggest not forcing Mage's into the circle. But instead make a Circle education paramount for Mage's to succeed in Society . Thus keeping the Circle intact without making anyone absolutely have to go, just make it extremely difficult if they dont. Mage's must learn to master themselves, The Circle is still good for that.

Mages must learn to dominate the weak and rule the non-mages.

[HiroVoid]

RobRam10 wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

I suggest not forcing Mage's into the circle. But instead make a Circle education paramount for Mage's to succeed in Society . Thus keeping the Circle intact without making anyone absolutely have to go, just make it extremely difficult if they dont. Mage's must learn to master themselves, The Circle is still good for that.

Mages must learn to dominate the weak and rule the non-mages.

Not a bad idea, but I'd say mages are too out-numbered at the moment for it to be a feasible plan.  They must go into hiding and start a breeding plan.  Mages only mate with other mages to increase the likelihood of mage kids.  Then, after the concentrated population of mages has been in hiding for a few generations, they come out with their bolstered new numbers.  It's the ultimate conclusion of the isolationist's plans.

[Boycott Bioware]

i. There should be a Ministry of Mages Affair from each governments, Mages and non-Mages are protected by law and rights. The Chantry must be separated from government, they must be cloistered and only function as ordinary churches

ii. Special force will replace Templars to handle magical matters, this force are form by Mages and non-Mages. This special force is non-religious and paid by the government.

iii. Blood Magic will be outlawed, any Mages who practice it will be judged accordingly.

iv. Lyrium is controlled by government, no one can keep lyrium except the special force , anyone who keep lyrium will be judged accordingly.

v. There will be no more "apostates", all mages are free to live, free to having jobs and free to be in government office as non-Mages do.

vi. Schools, colleges and universities will be build for Mages children, funded by the government, the Chantry is not allowed to interfere a bit. All Mages children no matter from what race and background can be sent to these schools, colleges and universities.

vii. Talented Mages can be absorb into military as a part of the army. They can also absorbed into ncity guards. They are free to work elsewhere

viii. Hospitals will be build and run by healer Mages and alchemist, they will be paid by the government, the hospitals is funded by the government

Modifié par Qistina, 28 octobre 2013 - 06:25 .

[HiroVoid]

That's a lot of money from the government, but I guess it's cool as long as they get to use the mages as soldiers in their army once they decided they want to expand through wars of conquests.

[Boycott Bioware]

That's a lot of money from the government, but I guess it's cool as long as they get to use the mages as soldiers in their army once they decided they want to expand through wars of conquests.

Well...everyone pay tax. And the government also have own economic plan. With Mages working in every field, imagine how much it will boost?

[HiroVoid]

I'm more surprised about the mages getting a full eductation up to a university when the majority of nations don't even have a school system. The only university I know of is the one in Orlais and the possible one Ferelden makes with Anora as a queen.

[Boycott Bioware]

HiroVoid wrote...
I'm more surprised about the mages getting a full eductation up to a university when the majority of nations don't even have a school system. The only university I know of is the one in Orlais and the possible one Ferelden makes with Anora as a queen.

Everyone can read and write, even Bethany, Carver, the Elf Elren, Old Balin can send letters to Hawke with correct grammar. So there are schools only not shown in the game because it is not important

[HiroVoid]

You don't need schools for that. Reading and writing tends to be a skill that parents teach their kids.

[Boycott Bioware]

HiroVoid wrote
You don't need schools for that. Reading and writing tends to be a skill that parents teach their kids.

yet many illiterates in 50's up to 70's

[Lotion Soronarr]

Wulfram wrote...

Thedas's inspiration from medieval europe is fairly obvious. So its population numbers are as good as any to use as a basic guess.

Inspired by =/= same as.

Europs population numbers were product of it's size and conditions.
Thedas population numbers will be a product of it's size and conditions.

What is the Size of Thedas compared ot Europe anyway? There was a map, it has a scale...someone check.

[HiroVoid]

Qistina wrote...

HiroVoid wrote
You don't need schools for that. Reading and writing tends to be a skill that parents teach their kids.

yet many illiterates in 50's up to 70's

That doesn't really change my point that you don't need a school to teach how to read and write.

[Boycott Bioware]

That doesn't really change my point that you don't need a school to teach how to read and write.

I don't think medieval parents bother to teach their children to read and write, they are busy working in the field, water must be taken from wells and rivers not like today water is in your house...that is if even they know how to read and write anyway

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]Steelcan wrote...

[quote]Star fury wrote...

Qistina isn't bound by things like sanity
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Even moreso when there are in-game examples contradicting her theories.
All of them.

[HiroVoid]

Qistina wrote...

That doesn't really change my point that you don't need a school to teach how to read and write.

I don't think medieval parents bother to teach their children to read and write, they are busy working in the field, water must be taken from wells and rivers not like today water is in your house...that is if even they know how to read and write anyway

If Malcolm could spare enough time to teach his kids magic, most parents definitely have free time they could use teaching their kids how to read and write.

[Boycott Bioware]

If Malcolm could spare enough time to teach his kids magic, most parents definitely have free time they could use teaching their kids how to read and write.

Teaching Magic not the same with teaching to read and write...and Mages already have the power...but reading and write is not simple, some children can't even recognize alphabets and numbers even being taught by professional teachers

You being taught in a school that is systematic, that evolved from education system of the past, your teachers are professionals, they going into courses, learn children psychology and what not....you can't compare your self with peoples even 100 years ago

[Star fury]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Qistina isn't bound by things like sanity

Even moreso when there are in-game examples contradicting her theories.
All of them.

What's your "middle ground" in the mage-templar conflict?

Modifié par Star fury, 28 octobre 2013 - 08:03 .

[Reznore57]

I don't think there is any public school system in Thedas.
Nobility probably gets educated , mages also are via the circle , and Chantry folks , they do have scholars.

If i remember correctly in Asunder , Rhys and co are surprised to found out very simple dwarven runes are used on some sign.
Evangeline replied something like most people do not learn to read.

It's a bit strange that all our companions are educated but they also all have very specific background.
Anyway I guess it's just that sometimes the devs do not follow the lore by the letter because it can be quite inconveniant story/gameplay wise.

[Boycott Bioware]

Reznore57 wrote...
It's a bit strange that all our companions are educated but they also all have very specific background.

Fenris say "Slaves are not allowed to learn" as excuse why he can't read, by that it means other than slaves, everyone can read

If education is so poorly in Thedas, there will be books laying around...the Book of Shartan is found in Alienage, why it being there if Elves can't read? Surely that book is for children

[EmperorSahlertz]

Qistina wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...
It's a bit strange that all our companions are educated but they also all have very specific background.

Fenris say "Slaves are not allowed to learn" as excuse why he can't read, by that it means other than slaves, everyone can read

No. It means that slaves are actively prevented from learning....

Qistina wrote...
If education is so poorly in Thedas, there will be books laying around...the Book of Shartan is found in Alienage, why it being there if Elves can't read? Surely that book is for children

Some can read. Most can't. Similar to our world's medieval conditions.