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[AlexanderCousland]

DatOneFanboy wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Im all for moderation.

This arguement makes me sick though, it reminds me of Republicans VS. Democrats. or almost any other ridiculous issue out there.

Lol both sides aint sht and they are never going to change sht , Dont even dare to Compare them to Mages and Templars. Comparing those 2 makes Rep & Dems Nonexistant 

Gay Vs. Straight
Men Vs. Women
White Vs. Black 

The parallels are there. It just makes me want to throw up, Why do I have to pick a side? That's why I like what Bioware has said about Inquisition. I'd much rather prefer to play games where the PC can push forward (or has the illusion of pushing) his own Ideal's into the world.

[Boycott Bioware]

Does the Maker makes Mages to be imprisoned in the Circle?
- No

Does Andraste teach that all born Mages must be taken away and imprisoned?
- No

Does Creators told Dalish to imprison their Mages?
- No

Does Ancestors of Dwarves told the Dwarves to imprison Mages?
- No

Does the Qun say it is certain that all Mages among the Qun must be abused?
- No

So, where this "Mages are dangerous and must be imprisoned and/or abused" sentiment come from?

[wcholcombe]

Star fury wrote...

Silfren wrote...

The point was that they have free mages among them, without Chantry oversight or templars, and yet they have not been plagued by the sea of problems the Chantry insists must happen anywhere that there are free mages. The lack of political or military relevance has no bearing on that question.

That's right. Problem can lie in a human nature of Thedas, which is inherently susceptible to demonic temptation, more than elven or qunari. Or problem is with the Mage Circles where crowded mages are both more dangerous when possession chain reaction sets off between them, and it is more problematic for templars to control a big group of magic users. 

Really?  Humans are more susceptible to temptation than other races?  Where on earth do you get that?

The keeper in DAO cursed a group of humans out of revenge--I won't argue against it being justified--which resulted in him being immortal, but he didn't just curse those responsible, he cursed anyone they bit, and any descendants they had, whether they were guilty innocent or whatever, and again made him immortal.  Don't act like the dalish don't have their issues and problems just like everyone else.  Also, the Kossith started following the Qun in order to attempt to control their bestial nature.  The Qun is a social aspect, not a racial one.  Also, the Dalish talk about what happens when a keeper becomes possessed by a demon, so it isn't like it doesn't happen to the dalish.

As for middle ground, I still believe that the tower will work well, provided there is a legitimate avenue to address transgressions by mages or templars both.  IE a tribunal, Knight Commander, 1st Enchanter, and a 3rd party.

As for the mages and templars in DAI.  I think the Red Templars will be largely wiped out, removing the hard liner faction and allowing the templars to rebuild with the ones that stayed loyal to the chantry and are open to reform for the treatment of mages.  I think you will also have to wipe out groups of the mages, particularly those who oppose any form of compromise.

Mages are like Thedas' version of nuclear weapons.  You have to have oversight over them.  And I am not meaning just because of the risk of abominations, but just the great power they wield and the danger they can represent.  Sorry, if you want to argue limiting who has access to nukes is oppression, than sign me up as an oppressor.

[DatOneFanboy]

FreshIstay wrote...

DatOneFanboy wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Im all for moderation.

This arguement makes me sick though, it reminds me of Republicans VS. Democrats. or almost any other ridiculous issue out there.

Lol both sides aint sht and they are never going to change sht , Dont even dare to Compare them to Mages and Templars. Comparing those 2 makes Rep & Dems Nonexistant 

Gay Vs. Straight
Men Vs. Women
White Vs. Black 

The parallels are there. It just makes me want to throw up, Why do I have to pick a side? That's why I like what Bioware has said about Inquisition. I'd much rather prefer to play games where the PC can push forward (or has the illusion of pushing) his own Ideal's into the world.

I dont know,  
freedom vs Being locked up from outside world.
1st world problems are a joke, Ignorance is not bliss. 
but you do make a point, I dont know why bioware is pushing us to pick a side, There must be balance in order for there to be calm. Mages are going to War for freedom , and Templars Are corrupt. As bad as it is u dont really need to do sht about it, if not them , somebody else is going to start a war, U just need to make sure u dont let a Faction rise above the other's 

[wcholcombe]

Qistina wrote...

Does the Maker makes Mages to be imprisoned in the Circle?
- No

Does Andraste teach that all born Mages must be taken away and imprisoned?
- No

Does Creators told Dalish to imprison their Mages?
- No-Actually since the Dalish have no idea what the creators told them, we don't know.  You do realize that the Dalish are basically making up their religion from the few scraps that remain.  The Tevinter Magisters basically stamped out or erased all the elven culture and history.

Does Ancestors of Dwarves told the Dwarves to imprison Mages?
- No Well since dwarves have no mages....Guess what they wouldn't really talk about it.

Does the Qun say it is certain that all Mages among the Qun must be abused?
- No Actually yes it does. The Qun expressley talks about cutting their tongues out, sewing their mouths shut, and keeping them in chains.  The Qunari claim this puts them in a place of great honor for the burden they bear.

So, where this "Mages are dangerous and must be imprisoned and/or abused" sentiment come from?

I don't know, the history of Mages abusing people.  The Tevinter Magisters enslaving elves, using them for blood magic today and in the past, the occurence of Abominatons in history, in society, in dalish tribes. The occurences of mages using magic to put themselves in places of power and to control other people.  Geez, I can't imagine why people think mages are dangerous. Lets review:
1) Tevinter Magister use mind control, blood magic, sacrifice elves, sink cities.
2) Earl Eamon's son becomes an abomination and kills all the help in the castle and turns them into undead that if not stopped wipe out all of redcliff.
3)  The wacko in DA2 who kills Hawkes mother
4)  The Abomination that wipes out Meredith's family and 70 or so other people when it possessed her sister.
5) The Abominations in the Tower in DAO.
6) Various blood mages and bandit mages and such you encounter in DAO and DA2
7) The Magister in the comics that /spoiler uses maric as a blood battery /spoiler
9) and that is just the direct comparisons from our limited info that I know of--not using orsino due to the genuine messed up ness of Kirkwall.

[wcholcombe]

DatOneFanboy wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

DatOneFanboy wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

Im all for moderation.

This arguement makes me sick though, it reminds me of Republicans VS. Democrats. or almost any other ridiculous issue out there.

Lol both sides aint sht and they are never going to change sht , Dont even dare to Compare them to Mages and Templars. Comparing those 2 makes Rep & Dems Nonexistant 

Gay Vs. Straight
Men Vs. Women
White Vs. Black 

The parallels are there. It just makes me want to throw up, Why do I have to pick a side? That's why I like what Bioware has said about Inquisition. I'd much rather prefer to play games where the PC can push forward (or has the illusion of pushing) his own Ideal's into the world.

I dont know,  
freedom vs Being locked up from outside world.
1st world problems are a joke, Ignorance is not bliss. 
but you do make a point, I dont know why bioware is pushing us to pick a side, There must be balance in order for there to be calm. Mages are going to War for freedom , and Templars Are corrupt. As bad as it is u dont really need to do sht about it, if not them , somebody else is going to start a war, U just need to make sure u dont let a Faction rise above the other's 

Really.....you are going to boil it down to Mages as being right and Templars as being evil.  IT ISN'T THAT SIMPLE.  BTW, have you read Asunder?  Their are some pretty corrupt mages in that book who are willing to do anything, including sacrificing their fellow mages in order to get what they want.

[Boycott Bioware]

I don't know, the history of Mages abusing people. The Tevinter Magisters enslaving elves, using them for blood magic today and in the past, the occurence of Abominatons in history, in society, in dalish tribes. The occurences of mages using magic to put themselves in places of power and to control other people. Geez, I can't imagine why people think mages are dangerous. Lets review:
1) Tevinter Magister use mind control, blood magic, sacrifice elves, sink cities.
2) Earl Eamon's son becomes an abomination and kills all the help in the castle and turns them into undead that if not stopped wipe out all of redcliff.
3) The wacko in DA2 who kills Hawkes mother
4) The Abomination that wipes out Meredith's family and 70 or so other people when it possessed her sister.
5) The Abominations in the Tower in DAO.
6) Various blood mages and bandit mages and such you encounter in DAO and DA2
7) The Magister in the comics that /spoiler uses maric as a blood battery /spoiler
9) and that is just the direct comparisons from our limited info that I know of--not using orsino due to the genuine messed up ness of Kirkwall.

Maybe true...BUT...it seems that other than Chantry/Andrasterian and Qunari...it is a no problem for other races, religion and culture

And , i am certain the Qun never teach to abuse mages, i am certain that the culture of abusing Mages among the Qunari is driven from sentiment and false interpretation of the Qun teaching...(other than the writer just want to show the other form of Mage abuse among other race)

That rise a question

i. If it is a big deal...why Dwarves and Dalish never have any issue with it?

ii. Dwarves, even they have no Mages, but they are having contact with surfaces, they trade lyrium, and there are many surfacer Dwarves...Dwarves have no problem with the issue

iii. Dalish have Keepers that are Mages, it is their tradition, they didn't make abomination and demons as a big issue

The one that having an issue regarding Mages are Chantry/Andrasterian and Qunari

[DatOneFanboy]

wcholcombe wrote...



Really.....you are going to boil it down to Mages as being right and Templars as being evil.  IT ISN'T THAT SIMPLE.  BTW, have you read Asunder?  Their are some pretty corrupt mages in that book who are willing to do anything, including sacrificing their fellow mages in order to get what they want.

When did i say they were right? all i said they need balance, and explained what is going to happen in organization's such as these, Templars have power over mages and lock them up, So Having a Corrupt Templar Affects their Image more then having blood mage since There will always be blood mage. , Power is root of evil, as it goes for mages it goes for  templars too. Opression leads to Revolution, There will be a war, and Templars are going to Trigger it. 

It will always be like this as long as Humankind breathe's 
all you can do is minimize the suffering and not let a faction rise above their position, If theres a corrupt Templar Leader Killing off every mage they see. Your Pc goes and kills him, If theres a Blood Mage summoning Demons, Your PC goes off and kills him You cant put a stop to this, All you can do is create balance

Modifié par DatOneFanboy, 22 octobre 2013 - 06:00 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Qistina wrote..
i. If it is a big deal...why Dwarves and Dalish never have any issue with it?

ii. Dwarves, even they have no Mages, but they are having contact with surfaces, they trade lyrium, and there are many surfacer Dwarves...Dwarves have no problem with the issue

iii. Dalish have Keepers that are Mages, it is their tradition, they didn't make abomination and demons as a big issue

The one that having an issue regarding Mages are Chantry/Andrasterian and Qunari

The dwarves don't have mages and have a strong natural resistance to magic. They also live rather isolated from the other races. The elves are very small in number and only have a small handful of mages per tribe, so it's easy to control them. The Qun is pretty f**ked up anyway, so you might as well ask why it's so chauvinistic.

[Boycott Bioware]

It is all because Tevinter Imperium was ruled by Mages...either they are really as bad as everyone portray them is yet to be seen...but we can see where the sentiment come from

i. Chantry/Andrasterian have war with Tevinter

ii. Qunari have war with Tevinter

IT IS POLITIC

There the sentiment come from that plague large part of Thedas. The Chantry teaching is anti-Mage because of Tevinter Imperium, Qunari abuse Mages because they have war with tevinter Imperium

The truth is, all that follows is just the effect of the old hatred toward Tevinter Imperium

[wcholcombe]

DatOneFanboy wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...



Really.....you are going to boil it down to Mages as being right and Templars as being evil.  IT ISN'T THAT SIMPLE.  BTW, have you read Asunder?  Their are some pretty corrupt mages in that book who are willing to do anything, including sacrificing their fellow mages in order to get what they want.

When did i say they were right? all i said they need balance, and explained what is going to happen in organization's such as these, Templars have power over mages and lock them up, So Having a Corrupt Templar Affects their Image more then having blood mage since There will always be blood mage. , Power is root of evil, as it goes for mages it goes for  templars too. Opression leads to Revolution, There will be a war, and Templars are going to Trigger it. 

It will always be like this as long as Humankind breathe's 
all you can do is minimize the suffering and not let a faction rise above their position, If theres a corrupt Templar Leader Killing off every mage they see. Your Pc goes and kills him, If theres a Blood Mage summoning Demons, Your PC and goes Kill it, You cant put a stop to this, All you can do is create balance

"Mages are going to War for freedom , and Templars Are corrupt."

That is where you present it as good vs. evil.  Templars aren't all necessarily corrupt, and some of the mages in Assunder have much higher ambitions than just freedom.  And you completely ignore the fact that the LORE and game designers all present mages as DANGEROUS, the context of all this is that mages running around willy nilly in a large population is dangerous.  The dalish have a much smaller population and they still lose clans and keepers to demon possession.

[DatOneFanboy]

wcholcombe wrote...

DatOneFanboy wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...



Really.....you are going to boil it down to Mages as being right and Templars as being evil.  IT ISN'T THAT SIMPLE.  BTW, have you read Asunder?  Their are some pretty corrupt mages in that book who are willing to do anything, including sacrificing their fellow mages in order to get what they want.

When did i say they were right? all i said they need balance, and explained what is going to happen in organization's such as these, Templars have power over mages and lock them up, So Having a Corrupt Templar Affects their Image more then having blood mage since There will always be blood mage. , Power is root of evil, as it goes for mages it goes for  templars too. Opression leads to Revolution, There will be a war, and Templars are going to Trigger it. 

It will always be like this as long as Humankind breathe's 
all you can do is minimize the suffering and not let a faction rise above their position, If theres a corrupt Templar Leader Killing off every mage they see. Your Pc goes and kills him, If theres a Blood Mage summoning Demons, Your PC and goes Kill it, You cant put a stop to this, All you can do is create balance

"Mages are going to War for freedom , and Templars Are corrupt."

That is where you present it as good vs. evil.  Templars aren't all necessarily corrupt, and some of the mages in Assunder have much higher ambitions than just freedom.  And you completely ignore the fact that the LORE and game designers all present mages as DANGEROUS, the context of all this is that mages running around willy nilly in a large population is dangerous.  The dalish have a much smaller population and they still lose clans and keepers to demon possession.

Who says The war is good? Templars are Trying to Keep Peace and Mages are going to war. A group of Corrupt templars Breaks the Balance and Triggers a Revolutionary War. I know my english isn't 10/10 but Can u atleast try reading

[wcholcombe]

Qistina wrote...

It is all because Tevinter Imperium was ruled by Mages...either they are really as bad as everyone portray them is yet to be seen...but we can see where the sentiment come from

i. Chantry/Andrasterian have war with Tevinter

ii. Qunari have war with Tevinter

IT IS POLITIC

There the sentiment come from that plague large part of Thedas. The Chantry teaching is anti-Mage because of Tevinter Imperium, Qunari abuse Mages because they have war with tevinter Imperium

The truth is, all that follows is just the effect of the old hatred toward Tevinter Imperium

Do you read the lore?  Do you read the stuff that the developers write and say about the world of Thedas?  A mage in Thedas is basically like a real world tank for the power it has.  An abomination is like a tank equiped with a ballistic missle.  Mages have done a lot of evil and damage that has nothing to do with Tevinter.  It is the big historical president, but it isn't the only one for the dangers presented by mages.

[wcholcombe]

DatOneFanboy wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

DatOneFanboy wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...



Really.....you are going to boil it down to Mages as being right and Templars as being evil.  IT ISN'T THAT SIMPLE.  BTW, have you read Asunder?  Their are some pretty corrupt mages in that book who are willing to do anything, including sacrificing their fellow mages in order to get what they want.

When did i say they were right? all i said they need balance, and explained what is going to happen in organization's such as these, Templars have power over mages and lock them up, So Having a Corrupt Templar Affects their Image more then having blood mage since There will always be blood mage. , Power is root of evil, as it goes for mages it goes for  templars too. Opression leads to Revolution, There will be a war, and Templars are going to Trigger it. 

It will always be like this as long as Humankind breathe's 
all you can do is minimize the suffering and not let a faction rise above their position, If theres a corrupt Templar Leader Killing off every mage they see. Your Pc goes and kills him, If theres a Blood Mage summoning Demons, Your PC and goes Kill it, You cant put a stop to this, All you can do is create balance

"Mages are going to War for freedom , and Templars Are corrupt."

That is where you present it as good vs. evil.  Templars aren't all necessarily corrupt, and some of the mages in Assunder have much higher ambitions than just freedom.  And you completely ignore the fact that the LORE and game designers all present mages as DANGEROUS, the context of all this is that mages running around willy nilly in a large population is dangerous.  The dalish have a much smaller population and they still lose clans and keepers to demon possession.

Who says The war is good? Templars are Trying to Keep Peace and Mages are going to war. A group of Corrupt templars Breaks the Balance and Triggers a Revolutionary War. I know my english isn't 10/10 but Can u atleast try reading

Sorry if I misinterpretted that sentence.  It just sounded like you were saying the mages were the side of right and the templars were corrupt.  My apologies.

[Boycott Bioware]

i. The Dalish don't have war with Tevinter
- Yes Tevinter have Elven slaves but those Elven are not Dalish
- Dalish have war with Human as the whole

ii. Dwarves have no war with Tevinter
- Dwarven kingdom fall because of Darkspawn and mysterious reason
- Dwarves have different version of Darkspawn origin

Only the one who have mess with Tevinter hates Mages, because they fear these Mages will support Tevinter Imperium...that fear make them oppress Mages....while other races who never have any problem with Tevinter don't have any issue regarding Mages, Abominations, Demons, Blood Magic...all these are propaganda

The issue is not as big as it being portrayed....it is propagated to create FEAR and to build SENTIMENT...but it effect only those who have war with Tevinter Imperium

[Br3admax]

Tevinter is the one that destroyed Arlathan. You do know this yes?

[Boycott Bioware]

I only know that Arlathan sunk by Human Mage, i don't know if it was Tevinter or just Human Mage, all my source are in game source...if there is in game saying Tevinter who sunk Arlathan tell me

But, even if Tevinter sunk Arlathan, Elven hate human, and all Elves was having magic until it somehow disappear...so "Magic" is not an issue for Elves....Fenris have issue with Mages because he's ****ed up by Denarius

[wcholcombe]

[quote]Qistina wrote...

i. The Dalish don't have war with Tevinter
- Yes Tevinter have Elven slaves but those Elven are not Dalish
- Dalish have war with Human as the whole---The Tevinter's enslaved every elf on Thedas for 1000 years.  They sunk their capital city under ground and sacrificed 1000 elves to do it.   They completely wiped out Elvish culture and wouldn't even let them speak elvish.  The Dalish are the descendents of the elves that Maferath gave the Dales to in appreciation for their service against the Imperium.  Note, Maferath not Andraste.  The dalish today are the ones who refused to join human society after the Dales were conquered.

ii. Dwarves have no war with Tevinter
- Dwarven kingdom fall because of Darkspawn and mysterious reason
- Dwarves have different version of Darkspawn origin
The dwarves have a practical economic relationship with Tevinter since the Magisters needed lyrium and the dwarves were the only source of it.  The dwarves don't actually know where the darkspawn came from:  from the wiki :  "The dwarves
give little credit to Chantry beliefs, but they themselves have no
known origin story for the darkspawn. As far as the dwarves are
concerned, the darkspawn simply appeared. 
"

Only the one who have mess with Tevinter hates Mages, because they fear these Mages will support Tevinter Imperium...that fear make them oppress Mages....while other races who never have any problem with Tevinter don't have any issue regarding Mages, Abominations, Demons, Blood Magic...all these are propaganda. You do know that Tevinter is actually the oldest continous Andrastian nation on Thedas.  Their chantry predates the Orlesian chantry by roughly 160 years.

The issue is not as big as it being portrayed....it is propagated to create FEAR and to build SENTIMENT...but it effect only those who have war with Tevinter Imperium  Again, read the lore.  I don't hate mages, but I do see the danger they present.  In the novels, the lore, and the games.  It isn't a fabrication of the Chantry. [ /quote]

[wcholcombe]

Qistina wrote...

I only know that Arlathan sunk by Human Mage, i don't know if it was Tevinter or just Human Mage, all my source are in game source...if there is in game saying Tevinter who sunk Arlathan tell me

But, even if Tevinter sunk Arlathan, Elven hate human, and all Elves was having magic until it somehow disappear...so "Magic" is not an issue for Elves....Fenris have issue with Mages because he's ****ed up by Denarius

There is the belief among the dalish that all elves used to be immortal, but I don't remember reading anywhere that elves used to all have magic. 

[Boycott Bioware]

wcholcombe wrote...
The Tevinter's enslaved every elf on Thedas for 1000 years. They sunk their capital city under ground and sacrificed 1000 elves to do it. They completely wiped out Elvish culture and wouldn't even let them speak elvish. The Dalish are the descendents of the elves that Maferath gave the Dales to in appreciation for their service against the Imperium. Note, Maferath not Andraste. The dalish today are the ones who refused to join human society after the Dales were conquered.

Those Elves are NOT Dalish...they are "mysterious" Elves...we not even sure if they are from Arlathan or somewhere else. So my point stand, Dalish don't have war with Tevinter. Shartan was not Dalish

And as i posted above, all Elves have magic until they lost it, so they don't have any sentiment toward Mages because they are Mages themselves. They resent HUMAN, because they believe HUMAN who make them lost everything

wcholcombe wrote...
You do know that Tevinter is actually the oldest continous Andrastian nation on Thedas. Their chantry predates the Orlesian chantry by roughly 160 years.

Yes, but the Chantry in "Chantry Kingdoms" not the same with Tevinter Chantry isn't it? WHY?

Modifié par Qistina, 22 octobre 2013 - 06:34 .

[wcholcombe]

Qistina wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...
The Tevinter's enslaved every elf on Thedas for 1000 years. They sunk their capital city under ground and sacrificed 1000 elves to do it. They completely wiped out Elvish culture and wouldn't even let them speak elvish. The Dalish are the descendents of the elves that Maferath gave the Dales to in appreciation for their service against the Imperium. Note, Maferath not Andraste. The dalish today are the ones who refused to join human society after the Dales were conquered.

Those Elves are NOT Dalish...they are "mysterious" Elves...we not even sure if they are from Arlathan or somewhere else. So my point stand, Dalish don't have war with Tevinter. Shartan was not Dalish..What are you talking about. I spelled out exactly where the dalish come from.  They are descended from these elves....

And as i posted above, all Elves have magic until they lost it, so they don't have any sentiment toward Mages because they are Mages themselves. They resent HUMAN, because they believe HUMAN who make them lost everything. And please post a link or some source on this. I just reread the chapter on elves in WOT and it says they believe they were once immortal, but says nothing at all about them all being able to use magic.

wcholcombe wrote...
You do know that Tevinter is actually the oldest continous Andrastian nation on Thedas. Their chantry predates the Orlesian chantry by roughly 160 years.

Yes, but the Chantry in "Chantry Kingdoms" not the same with Tevinter Chantry isn't it? WHY? It merged with the orlesian chantry, but the Magisters were able to take over the Imperial Chantry and they split.

[Boycott Bioware]

wcholcombe wrote...
What are you talking about. I spelled out exactly where the dalish come from. They are descended from these elves....

those who JOIN the war are NOT Dalish...the Dalish now are descendants of those who join the war, but they are NOT the one who join the war. Shartan himself got betrayed

Let say, A people join the war, granted B land, A have descendants, those B have nothing to do with A. A themselves are betrayed

But the Chantry Kingdoms continuously having war with Tevinter

wcholcombe wrote...
It merged with the orlesian chantry, but the Magisters were able to take over the Imperial Chantry and they split.

Its POLITIC

Modifié par Qistina, 22 octobre 2013 - 06:49 .

[wcholcombe]

Qistina wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...
What are you talking about. I spelled out exactly where the dalish come from. They are descended from these elves....

those who JOIN the war are NOT Dalish...the Dalish now are descendants of those who join the war, but they are NOT the one who join the war. Shartan himself got betrayed. Shartan didn't get betrayed, he was dead before that happened.  If you think the Dalish today don't have issues with the Tevinter Imperium I have a bridge to sell you in Antiva.  Just because BSN concentrates on the Chantry/Elf struggle doesn't mean the dalish are cool with Tevinter, the Magisters, or being the only country in Thedas that still keeps elves as slaves, and even kidnaps them from other countries and I am certain Dalish Tribes if they find them.

Let say, A people join the war, granted B land, A have descendants, those B have nothing to do with A. A themselves are betrayed

But the Chantry Kingdoms continuously having war with Tevinter. Outside of the Exalted marches due to the Schism, there hasn't been a war between Tevinter and non Tevinter countries in a long time.  Aside from when Tevinter has attempted to conquer the Free Marches.  The andraste countries actually have made peace with the Qunari while Tevinter continues to make war with them.

wcholcombe wrote...
It merged with the orlesian chantry, but the Magisters were able to take over the Imperial Chantry and they split.

Its POLITIC No its religious.  It is a clash over the fundemental founding belief of both Chantry's from the chant of light from Andraste.  When Tevinter originally became Andrastian, they followed the whole magic serve not rule over man thing.  Mages weren't allowed to be in positions of power and the non mage under class actually gained some say in the world of Tevinter politics.  In about 200 years, this changed and the magisters took back control and changed the fundamental belief system. Thus the Schism occurred. It isn't politics, its religion.

[Boycott Bioware]

wcholcombe
And please post a link or some source on this. I just reread the chapter on elves in WOT and it says they believe they were once immortal, but says nothing at all about them all being able to use magic.

As i recall, in DA:O the Dalish story tellers and Layana tell the stories about the ancient Elves...they build the empire solely by magic, and the magic that human can never think of...but it is all lost because of human

And i relate it with "Arcane Warriors", there was Arcane Warriors because they are all Mages.

[Boycott Bioware]

Shartan didn't get betrayed, he was dead before that happened. If you think the Dalish today don't have issues with the Tevinter Imperium I have a bridge to sell you in Antiva. Just because BSN concentrates on the Chantry/Elf struggle doesn't mean the dalish are cool with Tevinter, the Magisters, or being the only country in Thedas that still keeps elves as slaves, and even kidnaps them from other countries and I am certain Dalish Tribes if they find them.

IF they have issue with Tevinter, it is Elf vs HUMAN issue, not Elf vs Mage issue...and Elves respect magic

wcholcombe wrote..
Outside of the Exalted marches due to the Schism, there hasn't been a war between Tevinter and non Tevinter countries in a long time. Aside from when Tevinter has attempted to conquer the Free Marches. The andraste countries actually have made peace with the Qunari while Tevinter continues to make war with them.

Do i need to relate with real life...naah...pointless

Tevinter is the ENEMY...Chantry Kingdoms need to keep the heat by using propaganda toward Mages.

War is not always arm struggle...like today...those who effected by Islamphobia are only USA and Europe

No its religious. It is a clash over the fundemental founding belief of both Chantry's from the chant of light from Andraste. When Tevinter originally became Andrastian, they followed the whole magic serve not rule over man thing. Mages weren't allowed to be in positions of power and the non mage under class actually gained some say in the world of Tevinter politics. In about 200 years, this changed and the magisters took back control and changed the fundamental belief system. Thus the Schism occurred. It isn't politics, its religion.

No it's politic....Orlesian is not Tevinter, all the religious thingies being debated are just an excuse...it's like Orthodox vs Catholic vs Protestant. Byzantium was Orthodox, Romans was Catholic, then there was Protestantism....it is all about politic...Protestants rebel against Catholic that is against Roman Popery...the same like Sunni vs Shia...it started because of politic.

Religion is just a tool