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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Xilizhra wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Xilizhra: I didn't say small populations of mages were enforced - just that we've only been shown small populations, and until shown otherwise - it's all I'm interested in discussing.

I'm curious - did she say what happened to the other mages she competed against? Cause they don't seem to be in the camp (doesn't mean they're not - not every NPC is fleshed out).

She did not, say anything about what happened to those who didn't win, but her tone didn't imply anything bad; certainly nothing like clan exile.

I'm going to take a guess and say they were relegated to taking care of the clan's pet deer.

Halla. And one of them might have been, the other's described as a healer.

Elora's definitely a mage though. She tried to Mind Blast me last night.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 24 octobre 2013 - 03:44 .

[Xilizhra]

Medhia Nox wrote...

So the Dalish "might" trade mages... like... property?

That's delightful - if true.

Young mage children are fostered in a different clan if that other clan only has a single mage.

[cjones91]

Medhia Nox wrote...

So the Dalish "might" trade mages... like... property?

That's delightful - if true.

It's no different from what ancient tribes did in order to secure alliances with each other.

[Medhia Nox]

Well - it's kinda different.

Ancient tribes didn't trade off their inferior citizens after a test - at least I'm fairly certain.

And I'm not even saying I'm against it totally - but it is a step away from the perfect little do-no-wrong Dalish.

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@Xilizhra:  So, if it's practical - the Dalish will take kids away from their families to? 

I'm shocked at your support of them. 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 24 octobre 2013 - 03:46 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Morocco Mole: I'm thinking the answer will be.

"Because The People" or something close.

[Xilizhra]

Ancient tribes didn't trade off their inferior citizens after a test - at least I'm fairly certain.

Not that there's any evidence of this here.

@Xilizhra: So, if it's practical - the Dalish will take kids away from their families to?

I'm shocked at your support of them.

Dalish don't really have nuclear families in the way humans do. The whole clan is one's family. It also seems probable that everyone has to consent to it.

How is this different from the Circle then?

Less cloying oppression, rape, being left in a basement to starve to death, having your emotions be forcibly ripped out, chance to be wholly genocided if the powers that be don't like your magical traditions. That sort of thing.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 24 octobre 2013 - 03:49 .

[Medhia Nox]

So, what you're saying is that - every Dalish elf agrees to get rid of an elf child after they fail to win a contest?

Dalish are sick.

[Xilizhra]

So, what you're saying is that - every Dalish elf agrees to get rid of an elf child after they fail to win a contest?

Dalish are sick.

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. I do know that Merrill was four when she joined the Sabrae clan; there wouldn't have been any contests to begin with.

They are still being treated like property and being ripped from their families however.

They're not under anyone else's control, and so far as I can tell, it isn't ripping.

[Medhia Nox]

Yeah Morocco Mole - according to Xilizhra - their parents agree to give them away. So it's totally okay. No "ripping".

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

They're not under anyone else's control, and so far as I can tell, it isn't ripping.

You think the every parent would enjoy giving up their children to a stranger from a different clan just because they are a mage? Or do you think a child would enjoy being taken away from their only family and now living amongst strangers?

This was the point everyone was criticizing the chantry about earlier. It is now applying to the Dalish.

If there were actual problems involved, there doesn't seem to be much reason to think that it'd be forced.

Either way, though, it's just one more reason they need their own homeland, so that the whole nomadic clan thing can stop.

[Medhia Nox]

And if you found out they did something similar in Arlathan?

[Xilizhra]

Medhia Nox wrote...

And if you found out they did something similar in Arlathan?

Then I shall analyze specific practices, contexts and reasons.

[cjones91]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Yeah Morocco Mole - according to Xilizhra - their parents agree to give them away. So it's totally okay. No "ripping".

That's....not how it works.The Dalish need to exchange members in order to not die out from inbreeding,other clan members besides mages are sent to other Dalish clans as well.

[Medhia Nox]

@cjones91: Still leaves the Dalish perfectly happy trading children like pokemon cards.

They're doing it for a reason they see as practical.

I'd argue - so does the Chantry.

Note: I did mention I'm not inherently against it - as I am not against mage children being forced into Circles (with caveats - the no visitations seems like it was a good idea mutated by prejudice).

[cjones91]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@cjones91: Still leaves the Dalish perfectly happy trading children like pokemon cards.

They're doing it for a reason they see as practical.

I'd argue - so does the Chantry.

Note: I did mention I'm not inherently against it - as I am not against mage children being forced into Circles (with caveats - the no visitations seems like it was a good idea mutated by prejudice).

But the comparison does'nt work because the Dalish do it for survival where as the Chantry takes children away for no other reason than to keep control.

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I'm not talking about families being switched around. I'm talking about children being taken from their parents to be raised by someone else.

I'm pretty sure the Dalish wait until the child is old enough to make their own choices as to whether they want to join another clan or not.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
But the comparison does'nt work because the Dalish do it for survival where as the Chantry takes children away for no other reason than to keep control.

I'm sure the Chantry would argue that they do it for survival as well.
I'll argue that.

[Medhia Nox]

@cjones91: Are you sure it's not for the survival of those around the mage child?

A place where they could be under proper observation - among people who understand what they're going through - and those trained to deal with an "outbreak"?

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 24 octobre 2013 - 04:19 .

[Evandro_Junior]

if the Dalish do it for survival so I think the child has no choice.

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
But the comparison does'nt work because the Dalish do it for survival where as the Chantry takes children away for no other reason than to keep control.

I'm sure the Chantry would argue that they do it for survival as well.
I'll argue that.

And I would argue that if the parents have every thing they need to raise the child and are aware of the risks then some group should'nt snatch them up anyway.Even circle mages have their children taken away from them and the only reason I could see for that is the Chantry wants absolute control over the mages' lives.

[Medhia Nox]

@cjones91: I brought it up earlier - but have you ever heard a parent say: "Not MY little Billy, he would never do that."

It could have something to do with this premise.

Parents want to see the best in their child - even when their kid is a bully, or a drug user or a demon possessed psychopath.

There is no (or extraordinarily few) parent properly equipped to be unbiased toward their child.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 24 octobre 2013 - 04:22 .