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[Steelcan]

Funny when the Dalish practice something its ok, when humans do it its horrible.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
And I would argue that if the parents have every thing they need to raise the child and are aware of the risks then some group should'nt snatch them up anyway.Even circle mages have their children taken away from them and the only reason I could see for that is the Chantry wants absolute control over the mages' lives.

And if the child becomes an Abomination and kills dozens people like Meredith's sister and Connor? Well, I would have taken away the child for the survival of those people.

I could see plenty of reasons for thaking away mage's children that involve both the survival and well being of many people.

[Medhia Nox]

@Steelcan: It's The People - everything they do is okay, because bad things happened in their history.

[cjones91]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Steelcan: It's The People - everything they do is okay, because bad things happened in their history.

That's not true.

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
And I would argue that if the parents have every thing they need to raise the child and are aware of the risks then some group should'nt snatch them up anyway.Even circle mages have their children taken away from them and the only reason I could see for that is the Chantry wants absolute control over the mages' lives.

And if the child becomes an Abomination and kills dozens people like Meredith's sister and Connor? Well, I would have taken away the child for the survival of those people.

I could see plenty of reasons for thaking away mage's children that involve both the survival and well being of many people.

If that is a possiblity then the templars should step in.However if the parents are mages themselves and can their children not to succumb to demons then the Chantry has no right to snatch their children away.

[Beerfish]

cjones91 wrote...


If that is a possiblity then the templars should step in.However if the parents are mages themselves and can their children not to succumb to demons then the Chantry has no right to snatch their children away.

Far to late to say, if that is the case the Templars step in.  People seem to want the Templars to step in after a bad event that might kill dozens or hundreds.   The fact of the matter is that parents could not be trusted at all to even reveal if a child is acting in a bad fashion for fear of the kid being taken away.

[Medhia Nox]

@cjones91: Did you by chance take a look at my last post about mages and their kids on page 29? I'd like to see what you think about a parents inability to be unbias toward their kid - and the danger that represents.

BTW - I know it's not true for most people, it just seems like the most verbal folks who talk about the Dalish ignore anything bad they do, because humans MADE them do it.

[Xilizhra]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@cjones91: Did you by chance take a look at my last post about mages and their kids on page 29? I'd like to see what you think about a parents inability to be unbias toward their kid - and the danger that represents.

BTW - I know it's not true for most people, it just seems like the most verbal folks who talk about the Dalish ignore anything bad they do, because humans MADE them do it.

Anything that's a necessity due to survival for reasons of inbreeding or the like has, in fact, been forced on them by the humans.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
If that is a possiblity then the templars should step in.However if the parents are mages themselves and can their children not to succumb to demons then the Chantry has no right to snatch their children away.

It's always a possibility. Adult and Harrowed mages have fallen to demons so, there is no guarantee their kid will never become an Abomination just because its parents were mages. There is ALWAYS a chance the mage will succumb to a demon. And then it will kill people.
The Chantry steps for the sake of the survival of these people.

[LOLandStuff]

Weren't the Dalish Warden's parents keeping their relation a secret because they came from different clans and none of them accepted it?

I like the Dalish, but finding excuses to everything they do is just ridiculous.
It's their own fault they're into this mess. They complain all day and dwell in a past they didn't even know. just heard stories of it from one guy to another. Because oral history. They're prone to panic and their best answer to any problem is retreat and live secluded, bad stuff happens outside.
They're not the sort of people you'd have to feel sorry for since they do it to themselves.

[Xilizhra]

Weren't the Dalish Warden's parents keeping their relation a secret because they came from different clans and none of them accepted it?

Eh, elders can be dicks anywhere.

I like the Dalish, but finding excuses to everything they do is just ridiculous.
It's their own fault they're into this mess. They complain all day and dwell in a past they didn't even know. just heard stories of it from one guy to another. Because oral history. They're prone to panic and their best answer to any problem is retreat and live secluded, bad stuff happens outside.
They're not the sort of people you'd have to feel sorry for since they do it to themselves.

And will have their state vastly improved by attaining a homeland, regardless of how much of this is true or not.

[cjones91]

Beerfish wrote...

cjones91 wrote...


If that is a possiblity then the templars should step in.However if the parents are mages themselves and can their children not to succumb to demons then the Chantry has no right to snatch their children away.

Far to late to say, if that is the case the Templars step in.  People seem to want the Templars to step in after a bad event that might kill dozens or hundreds.   The fact of the matter is that parents could not be trusted at all to even reveal if a child is acting in a bad fashion for fear of the kid being taken away.

I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.

[Dave of Canada]

LOLandStuff wrote...

I like the Dalish, but finding excuses to everything they do is just ridiculous.

Oppressed minorities cannot be wrong.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 24 octobre 2013 - 04:39 .

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

cjones91 wrote...


If that is a possiblity then the templars should step in.However if the parents are mages themselves and can their children not to succumb to demons then the Chantry has no right to snatch their children away.

Far to late to say, if that is the case the Templars step in.  People seem to want the Templars to step in after a bad event that might kill dozens or hundreds.   The fact of the matter is that parents could not be trusted at all to even reveal if a child is acting in a bad fashion for fear of the kid being taken away.

I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.

And how exactly could they be more "proactive"? How can they stop an abomination before it is created?

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
If that is a possiblity then the templars should step in.However if the parents are mages themselves and can their children not to succumb to demons then the Chantry has no right to snatch their children away.

It's always a possibility. Adult and Harrowed mages have fallen to demons so, there is no guarantee their kid will never become an Abomination just because its parents were mages. There is ALWAYS a chance the mage will succumb to a demon. And then it will kill people.
The Chantry steps for the sake of the survival of these people.

And how many Harrowed mages become possessed unless forced or under the threat of dying?

[Dave of Canada]

eluvianix wrote...

And how exactly could they be more "proactive"? How can they stop an abomination before it is created?

Kill all mages as they spawn.

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Weren't the Dalish Warden's parents keeping their relation a secret because they came from different clans and none of them accepted it?

Eh, elders can be dicks anywhere.

I like the Dalish, but finding excuses to everything they do is just ridiculous.
It's their own fault they're into this mess. They complain all day and dwell in a past they didn't even know. just heard stories of it from one guy to another. Because oral history. They're prone to panic and their best answer to any problem is retreat and live secluded, bad stuff happens outside.
They're not the sort of people you'd have to feel sorry for since they do it to themselves.

And will have their state vastly improved by attaining a homeland, regardless of how much of this is true or not.

And how in the world would they even attain a homeworld, scattered as they are? They do not have the might to take over Orlais, even if they were given an opening.

[cjones91]

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

cjones91 wrote...


If that is a possiblity then the templars should step in.However if the parents are mages themselves and can their children not to succumb to demons then the Chantry has no right to snatch their children away.

Far to late to say, if that is the case the Templars step in.  People seem to want the Templars to step in after a bad event that might kill dozens or hundreds.   The fact of the matter is that parents could not be trusted at all to even reveal if a child is acting in a bad fashion for fear of the kid being taken away.

I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.

And how exactly could they be more "proactive"? How can they stop an abomination before it is created?

By having a small squad of templars in every major settlement,others would do routine patrols into smaller villages and towns to make sure everything is fine.

[Hellion Rex]

Dave of Canada wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

And how exactly could they be more "proactive"? How can they stop an abomination before it is created?

Kill all mages as they spawn.

Nope. Try again.

[Xilizhra]

And how in the world would they even attain a homeworld, scattered as they are? They do not have the might to take over Orlais, even if they were given an opening.

We'll need to assess the situation in Inquisition.

[Silfren]

Reaverwind wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

I'm also going to be harsh and say that a simple farmer - or miner - fisherman isn't going to want to deal with everything that comes from having a mage child.

I don't know if people on the BSN aren't exposed to the seedier realities of life - but I know MANY parents that are not up to the task of parenting - and certainly not at all up to the task of parenting a child with special needs (whatever those needs may be).

And for a pre-Industrialization world - a child who isn't going to contribute to the families livelihood immediately - would be considered a liability when compared to the kids that can get out in the fields and farm.

I really think there's too much modern thinking (and I don't mean progressively moral) in BSN threads - and not enough trying to imagine what living in a pre-Industrial agrarian society might be like.

It might come as a shock to some that fostering was a common practice amongst  the upper classes during the Middle Ages  - it was a way to ensure a child reciceved training which the family itself couldn't provide. So yes, the concept of the family being entirely responsible for the rearing of a child is fairly modern.

Are you referring to the practice of apprenticing children out to learn a trade, or something else?  I'm aware of the former, but not of anything else.  I'd love more info.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.

And how would they do that? There are no cars, no phones.
That is why the Circle exists. If a mage becomes a rampaging Abominations, the Templars are down the alley and the damage will be limited to the tower.
Taking mages and placing them in the Circle is being proactive.

[Medhia Nox]

@Xilizhra: So... it's necessary to trade children without their consent for breeding purposes?

I thought even the current elves lived longer than humans. One would imagine that could wait a little bit until the elf was allowed to make their own choices - even if those choices had some restrictions (like different clans).

But no - humans MADE them trade children.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 24 octobre 2013 - 04:41 .

[cjones91]

Dave of Canada wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

And how exactly could they be more "proactive"? How can they stop an abomination before it is created?

Kill all mages as they spawn.

That won't work unless you want to tear open the Veil for the hundreds of babies you've killed.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

cjones91 wrote...


If that is a possiblity then the templars should step in.However if the parents are mages themselves and can their children not to succumb to demons then the Chantry has no right to snatch their children away.

Far to late to say, if that is the case the Templars step in.  People seem to want the Templars to step in after a bad event that might kill dozens or hundreds.   The fact of the matter is that parents could not be trusted at all to even reveal if a child is acting in a bad fashion for fear of the kid being taken away.

I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.

And how exactly could they be more "proactive"? How can they stop an abomination before it is created?

By having a small squad of templars in every major settlement,others would do routine patrols into smaller villages and towns to make sure everything is fine.

Thing is though, all things point to templars being unable to differentiate a mage versus nonmage, unless they witness the use of magic. How would they be able to do anything about potential abominations if they won't know who the mage is until that mage manifests and it already might be too late?