cjones91 wrote...
That won't work unless you want to tear open the Veil for the hundreds of babies you've killed.
True,but there are many mages who live outside the Circles.That's why I believe the templars need to have several outposts where they can easily respond to abomination attacks.MisterJB wrote...
And how would they do that? There are no cars, no phones.cjones91 wrote...
I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.
That is why the Circle exists. If a mage becomes a rampaging Abominations, the Templars are down the alley and the damage will be limited to the tower.
Taking mages and placing them in the Circle is being proactive.
True. We need more information to understand the state of things in Inquisition. I sincerely hope this is a topic we can explore further in the game.Xilizhra wrote...
We'll need to assess the situation in Inquisition.And how in the world would they even attain a homeworld, scattered as they are? They do not have the might to take over Orlais, even if they were given an opening.
More mages are born everyday so in order to kill them all you would need to make sure none can fall through the cracks.Dave of Canada wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
That won't work unless you want to tear open the Veil for the hundreds of babies you've killed.
We're not throwing babies off cliffs, there wouldn't be a fade tear unless we gathered hundreds-thousands of babies and slicing their throats all within a short timespan.
cjones91 wrote...
That won't work unless you want to tear open the Veil for the hundreds of babies you've killed.Dave of Canada wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
And how exactly could they be more "proactive"? How can they stop an abomination before it is created?
Kill all mages as they spawn.
There is no way that the elves will ever take over any part of any human nation ever.eluvianix wrote...
True. We need more information to understand the state of things in Inquisition. I sincerely hope this is a topic we can explore further in the game.Xilizhra wrote...
We'll need to assess the situation in Inquisition.And how in the world would they even attain a homeworld, scattered as they are? They do not have the might to take over Orlais, even if they were given an opening.
However, we do not know what truly lies south. If i remember correctly, nobody has really explored beyond the Korcari Wilds, except the Chasind. It is supposedly a frozen wasteland.LOLandStuff wrote...
@eluvianix
They can find somewhere else to live. Travel deeper south. But no, they have to obsess over what they lost. They could've done this a long time ago.
But they already do that. Kirkwall, Denerim, Redcliff, Lothering; all of these major settlements had a Chantry with Templars permanently stationed there. And, in DAI, in one of the missions we can hear about one Templar patrolling Amaranthine's countryside; altough I'm not sure how common that is.cjones91 wrote...
By having a small squad of templars in every major settlement,others would do routine patrols into smaller villages and towns to make sure everything is fine.
cjones91 wrote...
More mages are born everyday so in order to kill them all you would need to make sure none can fall through the cracks.
Silfren wrote...
Reaverwind wrote...
Medhia Nox wrote...
I'm also going to be harsh and say that a simple farmer - or miner - fisherman isn't going to want to deal with everything that comes from having a mage child.
I don't know if people on the BSN aren't exposed to the seedier realities of life - but I know MANY parents that are not up to the task of parenting - and certainly not at all up to the task of parenting a child with special needs (whatever those needs may be).
And for a pre-Industrialization world - a child who isn't going to contribute to the families livelihood immediately - would be considered a liability when compared to the kids that can get out in the fields and farm.
I really think there's too much modern thinking (and I don't mean progressively moral) in BSN threads - and not enough trying to imagine what living in a pre-Industrial agrarian society might be like.
It might come as a shock to some that fostering was a common practice amongst the upper classes during the Middle Ages - it was a way to ensure a child reciceved training which the family itself couldn't provide. So yes, the concept of the family being entirely responsible for the rearing of a child is fairly modern.
Are you referring to the practice of apprenticing children out to learn a trade, or something else? I'm aware of the former, but not of anything else. I'd love more info.
What would you do if they did, in Inquisition?Br3ad wrote...
There is no way that the elves will ever take over any part of any human nation ever.eluvianix wrote...
True. We need more information to understand the state of things in Inquisition. I sincerely hope this is a topic we can explore further in the game.Xilizhra wrote...
We'll need to assess the situation in Inquisition.And how in the world would they even attain a homeworld, scattered as they are? They do not have the might to take over Orlais, even if they were given an opening.
You would be surprised. If the Dalish were to rediscover some secrets of Arlathan, then you had best start praying to the Maker. And also, considering the rumor of elven rebellion in Orlais, per the new book Masked Empire, I would not be so quick to put down the elves.Br3ad wrote...
There is no way that the elves will ever take over any part of any human nation ever.eluvianix wrote...
True. We need more information to understand the state of things in Inquisition. I sincerely hope this is a topic we can explore further in the game.Xilizhra wrote...
We'll need to assess the situation in Inquisition.And how in the world would they even attain a homeworld, scattered as they are? They do not have the might to take over Orlais, even if they were given an opening.
And how would you know if the baby is a mage or not?Mages can produce non mage children as well so gathering them all up and killiing them one by one is the only possibility.Dave of Canada wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
More mages are born everyday so in order to kill them all you would need to make sure none can fall through the cracks.
We've got time to prepare because mages have a nine-month incubation period.
True, and it seems the strongest lines of communication required the sending stones of the different Circle towers. Due to that issue with communication, it is hard for Templars to be more proactive to stop abominations before they wreak havoc.MisterJB wrote...
But they already do that. Kirkwall, Denerim, Redcliff, Lothering; all of these major settlements had a Chantry with Templars permanently stationed there. And, in DAI, in one of the missions we can hear about one Templar patrolling Amaranthine's countryside; altough I'm not sure how common that is.cjones91 wrote...
By having a small squad of templars in every major settlement,others would do routine patrols into smaller villages and towns to make sure everything is fine.
Sadly, there is no easy way of sending messages in Thedas and it takes a tremendous amount of luck for Templars to just happen to stumble into an Abomination before it killed someone and for their group to have the numbers to stop it.
Xilizhra wrote...
What would you do if they did, in Inquisition?Br3ad wrote...
There is no way that the elves will ever take over any part of any human nation ever.eluvianix wrote...
True. We need more information to understand the state of things in Inquisition. I sincerely hope this is a topic we can explore further in the game.Xilizhra wrote...
We'll need to assess the situation in Inquisition.And how in the world would they even attain a homeworld, scattered as they are? They do not have the might to take over Orlais, even if they were given an opening.
cjones91 wrote...
True,but there are many mages who live outside the Circles.That's why I believe the templars need to have several outposts where they can easily respond to abomination attacks.MisterJB wrote...
And how would they do that? There are no cars, no phones.cjones91 wrote...
I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.
That is why the Circle exists. If a mage becomes a rampaging Abominations, the Templars are down the alley and the damage will be limited to the tower.
Taking mages and placing them in the Circle is being proactive.
All knowledge points to the fact that dsitinguishing mages and nonmages is impossible until a mage manifests.cjones91 wrote...
And how would you know if the baby is a mage or not?Mages can produce non mage children as well so gathering them all up and killiing them one by one is the only possibility.Dave of Canada wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
More mages are born everyday so in order to kill them all you would need to make sure none can fall through the cracks.
We've got time to prepare because mages have a nine-month incubation period.
Xilizhra wrote...
If there were actual problems involved, there doesn't seem to be much reason to think that it'd be forced.Morocco Mole wrote...
They're not under anyone else's control, and so far as I can tell, it isn't ripping.
You think the every parent would enjoy giving up their children to a stranger from a different clan just because they are a mage? Or do you think a child would enjoy being taken away from their only family and now living amongst strangers?
This was the point everyone was criticizing the chantry about earlier. It is now applying to the Dalish.
Either way, though, it's just one more reason they need their own homeland, so that the whole nomadic clan thing can stop.
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The Veil weakens when there is alot of violence and death in a area.Killing babies is a extremely violent act and mages are slowly growing in numbers so what Dave proposes would cause the Veil to tear open overtime.LOLandStuff wrote...
Mages are born everyday, but they don't have a specific breeding ground where you can go and commit murder for the Veil to tear. You'll have to gather them all to one place if you really want to mess things up.
That's where the outposts come into play.Evandro_Junior wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
True,but there are many mages who live outside the Circles.That's why I believe the templars need to have several outposts where they can easily respond to abomination attacks.MisterJB wrote...
And how would they do that? There are no cars, no phones.cjones91 wrote...
I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.
That is why the Circle exists. If a mage becomes a rampaging Abominations, the Templars are down the alley and the damage will be limited to the tower.
Taking mages and placing them in the Circle is being proactive.
and the common people who are caught in the crossfire?
You bring up some good points.Medhia Nox wrote...
@Xilizhra: I'd condemn them for being craven opportunists in a time when the entire world is in danger.
Then, they'd get an ultimatum. Fall in line - or my support goes to the nation they've carved a hole in.
Also - if a Veil tear appeared above them - I'd seriously consider not helping at all until they were all scattered.
If they assisted - I'd appeal to that nation for a reprieve with the same caveats. If that nation wants my assistance - it needs to bend to my will. The world is in peril.
What happens after the Inquisition shuts the portals - is up to the strongest military (like it's always been).
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