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[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

Evandro_Junior wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.

And how would they do that? There are no cars, no phones.
That is why the Circle exists. If a mage becomes a rampaging Abominations, the Templars are down the alley and the damage will be limited to the tower.
Taking mages and placing them in the Circle is being proactive.

True,but there are many mages who live outside the Circles.That's why I believe the templars need to have several outposts where they can easily respond to abomination attacks.

and the common people who are caught in the crossfire?

That's where the outposts come into play.

How would we structure the outposts so that they would be able to prevent abominations more effectively?

[MisterJB]

Silfren wrote...
And do we have any reason to believe that the parents aren't permitted to go into the other clan, too? 

Merril claims the only memories she has of her mother is her singing voice and there is no reason to believe hers is a special case.

[Dave of Canada]

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

More mages are born everyday so in order to kill them all you would need to make sure none can fall through the cracks.

We've got time to prepare because mages have a nine-month incubation period.

And how would you know if the baby is a mage or not?Mages can produce non mage children as well so gathering them all up and killiing them one by one is the only possibility.

Trace bloodlines.

[cjones91]

LOLandStuff wrote...

If someone is really hell bent on killing mages they'd do so on the spot. There's no need to gather them in one place. That's just a disaster waiting to happen. Think of all the abominations running rampant.

But the problem with that is the other mages would catch word of someone killing mages and would be ready for anything.Gathering them all up prevents the others from forming a resistance.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Medhia Nox wrote...

What happens after the Inquisition shuts the portals - is up to the strongest military (like it's always been).

I always figured the Inquisition would stick around after the portals were closed. Righting wrongs, protecting the innocent, that kind of thing. Of course, even if my Inquisitor and his hand-picked successor didn't become corrupt, somewhere down the line some successor would. But it's not like I can't improve the world to some extent in the meantime.

[Hellion Rex]

Dave of Canada wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

More mages are born everyday so in order to kill them all you would need to make sure none can fall through the cracks.

We've got time to prepare because mages have a nine-month incubation period.

And how would you know if the baby is a mage or not?Mages can produce non mage children as well so gathering them all up and killiing them one by one is the only possibility.

Trace bloodlines.

Who would have kept such accurate records? I doubt the Chantry has.

[cjones91]

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Evandro_Junior wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.

And how would they do that? There are no cars, no phones.
That is why the Circle exists. If a mage becomes a rampaging Abominations, the Templars are down the alley and the damage will be limited to the tower.
Taking mages and placing them in the Circle is being proactive.

True,but there are many mages who live outside the Circles.That's why I believe the templars need to have several outposts where they can easily respond to abomination attacks.

and the common people who are caught in the crossfire?

That's where the outposts come into play.

How would we structure the outposts so that they would be able to prevent abominations more effectively?

Place one outpost in the focal point of the village/town and the other on the outskirts.That way the templars would be ready for abominations attacking from the outside and inside the village/town.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
The Veil weakens when there is alot of violence and death in a area.Killing babies is a extremely violent act and mages are slowly growing in numbers so what Dave proposes would cause the Veil to tear open overtime.

Not really, let's say that a hundred mages are born per year in Ferelden. Leave 25 in Ferelden; take 25 to Orlais; another 25 to the Free Marches and another 25 to the Anderfels and kill them then one per week in Ferelde; one per a week and a half in Orlais, etc.

The timespan and distance between each death shouldn't even shake the Veil.

[Dave of Canada]

eluvianix wrote...

Who would have kept such accurate records? I doubt the Chantry has.

Tevinter traced magic bloodlines, no reason the Chantry couldn't do the same.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The Veil weakens when there is alot of violence and death in a area.Killing babies is a extremely violent act and mages are slowly growing in numbers so what Dave proposes would cause the Veil to tear open overtime.

Not really, let's say that a hundred mages are born per year in Ferelden. Leave 25 in Ferelden; take 25 to Orlais; another 25 to the Free Marches and another 25 to the Anderfels and kill them then one per week in Ferelde; one per a week and a half in Orlais, etc.

The timespan and distance between each death shouldn't even shake the Veil.

Are you seriously considering murdering every child mage before they have a chance to manifest their powers?

[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The Veil weakens when there is alot of violence and death in a area.Killing babies is a extremely violent act and mages are slowly growing in numbers so what Dave proposes would cause the Veil to tear open overtime.

Not really, let's say that a hundred mages are born per year in Ferelden. Leave 25 in Ferelden; take 25 to Orlais; another 25 to the Free Marches and another 25 to the Anderfels and kill them then one per week in Ferelde; one per a week and a half in Orlais, etc.

The timespan and distance between each death shouldn't even shake the Veil.

And what about the ones in places like Tevinter?Whole mage populations being killed enmasse would cause severe damage to the Veil in those areas.

Modifié par cjones91, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:02 .

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Evandro_Junior wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.

And how would they do that? There are no cars, no phones.
That is why the Circle exists. If a mage becomes a rampaging Abominations, the Templars are down the alley and the damage will be limited to the tower.
Taking mages and placing them in the Circle is being proactive.

True,but there are many mages who live outside the Circles.That's why I believe the templars need to have several outposts where they can easily respond to abomination attacks.

and the common people who are caught in the crossfire?

That's where the outposts come into play.

How would we structure the outposts so that they would be able to prevent abominations more effectively?

Place one outpost in the focal point of the village/town and the other on the outskirts.That way the templars would be ready for abominations attacking from the outside and inside the village/town.

There have got to be a bunch of villages though. That is a lot of construction time needed to create such outposts, as well as a lot of manpower to make use of such places.

[Silfren]

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

And how exactly could they be more "proactive"? How can they stop an abomination before it is created?

Kill all mages as they spawn.

That won't work unless you want to tear open the Veil for the hundreds of babies you've killed.

And it wouldn't work anyway.  Mages' powers don't manifest until they're typically around five or six, sometimes as late as 12.  There's no way to tell a mage at birth.

The only way such a practice would be at all viable would be by compiling a list of all families known to carry magic in their blood, and basically condemning all these people to death.  Even then, though, we don't know precisely how mages are born.  There's nothing to say that a family never known to have had magic in its blood before wouldn't suddenly give birth to a child with magical talent.  But either way, it's obvious how such a practice would go over...which is to say, not well.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
The Veil weakens when there is alot of violence and death in a area.Killing babies is a extremely violent act and mages are slowly growing in numbers so what Dave proposes would cause the Veil to tear open overtime.

Not really, let's say that a hundred mages are born per year in Ferelden. Leave 25 in Ferelden; take 25 to Orlais; another 25 to the Free Marches and another 25 to the Anderfels and kill them then one per week in Ferelde; one per a week and a half in Orlais, etc.

The timespan and distance between each death shouldn't even shake the Veil.

And what about the ones in places like Tevinter?Whole mage populations being killed enmasse would cause sever damage to the Veil in those areas.

If they were ever to try that in Tevinter, I guarantee you the Veil would probably split even bigger than the tear we saw in the trailer. If not just from the killing, then the result of so many abominations being created as well as all the magic being used to defend themselves.

[cjones91]

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Evandro_Junior wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I personally believe the templars should be a proactive force instead of a reactive one.Instead of getting there too late to stop a rampaging abomination there would be a squad already there trying to stop it.

And how would they do that? There are no cars, no phones.
That is why the Circle exists. If a mage becomes a rampaging Abominations, the Templars are down the alley and the damage will be limited to the tower.
Taking mages and placing them in the Circle is being proactive.

True,but there are many mages who live outside the Circles.That's why I believe the templars need to have several outposts where they can easily respond to abomination attacks.

and the common people who are caught in the crossfire?

That's where the outposts come into play.

How would we structure the outposts so that they would be able to prevent abominations more effectively?

Place one outpost in the focal point of the village/town and the other on the outskirts.That way the templars would be ready for abominations attacking from the outside and inside the village/town.

There have got to be a bunch of villages though. That is a lot of construction time needed to create such outposts, as well as a lot of manpower to make use of such places.

True,sad to say but the key would be to protect the major villages/towns and try to help the smaller ones.

[Silfren]

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
By having a small squad of templars in every major settlement,others would do routine patrols into smaller villages and towns to make sure everything is fine.

But they already do that. Kirkwall, Denerim, Redcliff, Lothering; all of these major settlements had a Chantry with Templars permanently stationed there. And, in DAI, in one of the missions we can hear about one Templar patrolling Amaranthine's countryside; altough I'm not sure how common that is.

Sadly, there is no easy way of sending messages in Thedas and it takes a tremendous amount of luck for Templars to just happen to stumble into an Abomination before it killed someone and for their group to have the numbers to stop it.

Actually yes there is, per Asunder. 

[Wulfram]

The Qunari should be able to pretty effectively breed out magic from the gene pool, though. It's interesting that they haven't.

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
Place one outpost in the focal point of the village/town and the other on the outskirts.That way the templars would be ready for abominations attacking from the outside and inside the village/town.

There are already Templar outposts  in every major city; just take a look at Denerim, Kirkwall, Lothering, Redcliff.

And, Thedas is BIG with no proper means of communications.
Dagna says that it takes two weeks and four days minimum to make the journy from Orzammar to the Circle tower; I'm assuming she's not talking about a large group of armored people when she says "minimum". Let's assume that an Abomination appears in a town that is five days away from the nearest outposts. If a courier manages to escape the attack, it will take him five days to reach the outpost and another five days; or more; for the Templars to arrive at the site of the attack. By that time, there is no longer a town.

Even in the modern world you won't find a police outpost at every little town and the Templars are elite soldiers; not average grunts. It's just not feasible.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
By having a small squad of templars in every major settlement,others would do routine patrols into smaller villages and towns to make sure everything is fine.

But they already do that. Kirkwall, Denerim, Redcliff, Lothering; all of these major settlements had a Chantry with Templars permanently stationed there. And, in DAI, in one of the missions we can hear about one Templar patrolling Amaranthine's countryside; altough I'm not sure how common that is.

Sadly, there is no easy way of sending messages in Thedas and it takes a tremendous amount of luck for Templars to just happen to stumble into an Abomination before it killed someone and for their group to have the numbers to stop it.

Actually yes there is, per Asunder. 

But only in the towers, and I assume the Divine has one as well. I don't think they hand out those sending stones to every Templar regiment.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Wulfram wrote...

The Qunari should be able to pretty effectively breed out magic from the gene pool, though. It's interesting that they haven't.

They apparently used saarebas to take a fortress during the qunari wars. Does that explain a bit?

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
Are you seriously considering murdering every child mage before they have a chance to manifest their powers?

No. I'm just arguing that it should be doable without rupturing the Veil.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

More mages are born everyday so in order to kill them all you would need to make sure none can fall through the cracks.

We've got time to prepare because mages have a nine-month incubation period.

And how would you know if the baby is a mage or not?Mages can produce non mage children as well so gathering them all up and killiing them one by one is the only possibility.

All knowledge points to the fact that dsitinguishing mages and nonmages is impossible until a mage manifests.

I'm not sure this is at all true, but that the lore clearly indicates that templars have the means to sense magic.  It's the entire point of blood magic, actually--it's the only magic that cannot be detected by templars.  

Where did this idea even come from that templars can't detect mages, when that's part and parcel of their entire purpose?!

Modifié par Silfren, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:11 .

[Silfren]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Are you seriously considering murdering every child mage before they have a chance to manifest their powers?

No. I'm just arguing that it should be doable without rupturing the Veil.

....So you're just arguing that it's totally possible to slaughter countless mage children without sundering the Veil...to be pedantic? 

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

More mages are born everyday so in order to kill them all you would need to make sure none can fall through the cracks.

We've got time to prepare because mages have a nine-month incubation period.

And how would you know if the baby is a mage or not?Mages can produce non mage children as well so gathering them all up and killiing them one by one is the only possibility.

All knowledge points to the fact that dsitinguishing mages and nonmages is impossible until a mage manifests.

I'm not sure this is at all true.  I thought there was lore indicating that templars had the means to sense magic.  It's the entire point of blood magic, actually--it's the only magic that cannot be detected by templars.  

Where did this idea even come from that templars can't detect mages, when that's part and parcel of their entire purpose?!

No need for exclamation marks. I am looking at all the templar pages on the Wiki. Just because they can dispel magic doesn't mean that they can necessarily sense a mage who is not using their power at the moment, never mind a latent mage who has not even manifested. I could be wrong, but that is just the way that I see it.

Modifié par eluvianix, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:12 .

[LobselVith8]

Steelcan wrote...

Funny when the Dalish practice something its ok, when humans do it its horrible.

Comparing the situation with Merrill's parents willingly letting her go to the Sabrae clan to be Marethari's First isn't even remotely similar to stealing children away from their parents and forcing them to submit to Chantry rule. As Velanna and Merrill proved, you aren't forced to even stay with the clan.

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Steelcan: It's The People - everything they do is okay, because bad things happened in their history.

The problem with the comparison is that it's an outright lie.