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[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

True, but that is in a major city that seems to have more issues with mages than not. However, the actual stance on Chantries telling guards that they cannot requisition templars might not necessarily be unique to Kirkwall.

I don't think it's unique to Kirkwall at all. I actually think it's an engrained attitude the Templars as a whole have gained over time. And in many instances, in many countries of Thedas, we have multiple examples of templars believing themselves to be above the law as well, and feel perfectly justified ignoring the crown, the chantry's rules, and even the Divine.

*cough* Rylock.
:innocent:

Modifié par eluvianix, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:37 .

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

True, but that is in a major city that seems to have more issues with mages than not. However, the actual stance on Chantries telling guards that they cannot requisition templars might not necessarily be unique to Kirkwall.

I don't think it's unique to Kirkwall at all. I actually think it's an engrained attitude the Templars as a whole have gained over time. And in many instances, in many countries of Thedas, we have multiple examples of templars believing themselves to be above the law as well, and feel perfectly justified ignoring the crown, the chantry's rules, and even the Divine.

*cough* Rylock.
:innocent:

She was one of the people I was referring to, yes.

[Silfren]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
If they rampage, they'll draw attention. Would it truly have racked up a higher body count than the Annulment? While possible, I find it rather unlikely.

Yes. Why? Becuase:

1) Mages are few in numbers
2) Annulment isn't called for a single Abomination, but only under dire circumstances
3) It's the middle ages. News travels at the speed of of a horse or a walking human. Meaning an abomination cna obliderate a village and no one may know for days. By which time that abomination is long gone. Mainign any kind of oversight/patrol in a large rural area is a nightmare even for modern military forces.

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.  But the only codex that comes to mind wherein a specific body count was provided for a rampaging abomination, is 70 people over the course of a year.  While I won't claim that the deaths of 70 people is not a bad thing, nevertheless, I do not find it to be evidence of the catastrophic damage abominations are supposed to be capable of inflicting. 

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
That's where the outposts come into play.

How would we structure the outposts so that they would be able to prevent abominations more effectively?

Brilliant. Let's have a dozen tempalrs in every village.
1 templar for every square mile.
I'm sure it's PERFECTLY practical and doable.

Relax man. If you read one of my later posts, it said that I thought it was kind of undoable and would require a lot of manpower. More than the Templars can provide.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

True, but that is in a major city that seems to have more issues with mages than not. However, the actual stance on Chantries telling guards that they cannot requisition templars might not necessarily be unique to Kirkwall.

I don't think it's unique to Kirkwall at all. I actually think it's an engrained attitude the Templars as a whole have gained over time. And in many instances, in many countries of Thedas, we have multiple examples of templars believing themselves to be above the law as well, and feel perfectly justified ignoring the crown, the chantry's rules, and even the Divine.

*cough* Rylock.
:innocent:

She was one of the people I was referring to, yes.

May she ever rest in peace.

[cjones91]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

True, but that is in a major city that seems to have more issues with mages than not. However, the actual stance on Chantries telling guards that they cannot requisition templars might not necessarily be unique to Kirkwall.

I don't think it's unique to Kirkwall at all. I actually think it's an engrained attitude the Templars as a whole have gained over time. And in many instances, in many countries of Thedas, we have multiple examples of templars believing themselves to be above the law as well, and feel perfectly justified ignoring the crown, the chantry's rules, and even the Divine.

*cough* Rylock.
:innocent:

She was one of the people I was referring to, yes.

Meredith and Lambert are guilty of that as well.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
If they rampage, they'll draw attention. Would it truly have racked up a higher body count than the Annulment? While possible, I find it rather unlikely.

Yes. Why? Becuase:

1) Mages are few in numbers
2) Annulment isn't called for a single Abomination, but only under dire circumstances
3) It's the middle ages. News travels at the speed of of a horse or a walking human. Meaning an abomination cna obliderate a village and no one may know for days. By which time that abomination is long gone. Mainign any kind of oversight/patrol in a large rural area is a nightmare even for modern military forces.

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.  But the only codex that comes to mind wherein a specific body count was provided for a rampaging abomination, is 70 people over the course of a year.  While I won't claim that the deaths of 70 people is not a bad thing, nevertheless, I do not find it to be evidence of the catastrophic damage abominations are supposed to be capable of inflicting. 

You bring up a good point. And it took a year to take down one abomination? I would curious to know how many templars it took to actually bring that thing down.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

True, but that is in a major city that seems to have more issues with mages than not. However, the actual stance on Chantries telling guards that they cannot requisition templars might not necessarily be unique to Kirkwall.

I don't think it's unique to Kirkwall at all. I actually think it's an engrained attitude the Templars as a whole have gained over time. And in many instances, in many countries of Thedas, we have multiple examples of templars believing themselves to be above the law as well, and feel perfectly justified ignoring the crown, the chantry's rules, and even the Divine.

*cough* Rylock.
:innocent:

She was one of the people I was referring to, yes.

Meredith and Lambert are guilty of that as well.

Yup. And then they both croaked too. Well, maybe not Lambert. We don't know what the deal with him is yet.

[Evandro_Junior]

Silfren wrote...



I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.  But the only codex that comes to mind wherein a specific body count was provided for a rampaging abomination, is 70 people over the course of a year.  While I won't claim that the deaths of 70 people is not a bad thing, nevertheless, I do not find it to be evidence of the catastrophic damage abominations are supposed to be capable of inflicting. 

Well, Meredith sister killed 70 people + her family faster than that i think

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
That's where the outposts come into play.

How would we structure the outposts so that they would be able to prevent abominations more effectively?

Brilliant. Let's have a dozen tempalrs in every village.
1 templar for every square mile.
I'm sure it's PERFECTLY practical and doable.

Relax man. If you read one of my later posts, it said that I thought it was kind of undoable and would require a lot of manpower. More than the Templars can provide.

Just villages and the roads. Plus patrolling some regions once a week.

[Dave of Canada]

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination.

But the only codex that comes to mind wherein a specific body count was provided for a rampaging abomination, is 70 people over the course of a year.

Where does it say over a year? Meredith claims it killed over 70 people--including her parents--from her village, I doubt it lingered slowly picking them off.

[Hellion Rex]

Evandro_Junior wrote...

Silfren wrote...



I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.  But the only codex that comes to mind wherein a specific body count was provided for a rampaging abomination, is 70 people over the course of a year.  While I won't claim that the deaths of 70 people is not a bad thing, nevertheless, I do not find it to be evidence of the catastrophic damage abominations are supposed to be capable of inflicting. 

Well, Meredith sister killed 70 people + her family faster than that i think

True, but that one incident probably doesn't represent every situation, not to make light of the others.

[LobselVith8]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination. 

Meredith did precisely that, and we have relatively little information about the prior Rights of Annulment that transpired centuries ago to make any determination about whether or not they were actually warranted.

[Hellion Rex]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination. 

Meredith did precisely that, and we have relatively little information about the prior Rights of Annulment that transpired centuries ago to make any determination about whether or not they were actually warranted.

Well technically, Meredith did it cause Elthina got whacked, although I guess Anders would be the abomination in question.

[Reaverwind]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination.

But the only codex that comes to mind wherein a specific body count was provided for a rampaging abomination, is 70 people over the course of a year.

Where does it say over a year? Meredith claims it killed over 70 people--including her parents--from her village, I doubt it lingered slowly picking them off.

Silfren is referring to the Codex entry on the Right of Annulment - though I think the wording of that one is muddied, and I believe those 70 people killed are in addition to the mages and templars slaughtered at the Circle prior to its escape, so the actual death toll is higher.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:54 .

[dragonflight288]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination. 

Meredith did precisely that, and we have relatively little information about the prior Rights of Annulment that transpired centuries ago to make any determination about whether or not they were actually warranted.

Slight correction. Meredith didn't order an Annulment over one abomination. She ordered an Annulment because she had been trying to get one for quite some time, and was trying to go over Elthina's head to get the authorization. And when she has the authority after Elthina's death, her justification isn't blood magic or abominations. It's "the people will demand blood."

[Hellion Rex]

Reaverwind wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination.

But the only codex that comes to mind wherein a specific body count was provided for a rampaging abomination, is 70 people over the course of a year.

Where does it say over a year? Meredith claims it killed over 70 people--including her parents--from her village, I doubt it lingered slowly picking them off.

Silfren is referring to the Codex entry on the Right of Annulment - though I think the wording of that one is muddied, and I believe those 70 people killed are in addition to the mages and templars slaughtered at the Circle prior to its escape.

Even still, to stay at large for a year? That is one seriously powerful abomination.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination. 

Meredith did precisely that, and we have relatively little information about the prior Rights of Annulment that transpired centuries ago to make any determination about whether or not they were actually warranted.

Slight correction. Meredith didn't order an Annulment over one abomination. She ordered an Annulment because she had been trying to get one for quite some time, and was trying to go over Elthina's head to get the authorization. And when she has the authority after Elthina's death, her justification isn't blood magic or abominations. It's "the people will demand blood."

At what point did she attempt to go over Elthina's head? I think she wanted harsher restrictions, but she had never shown the desire for full blown Annulment until Anders.
Also, I don't think Meredith gave a rat's behind about what "the people" wanted. She simply felt that Elthina's death was worthy of an Annulment.

Modifié par eluvianix, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:58 .

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination. 

Meredith did precisely that, and we have relatively little information about the prior Rights of Annulment that transpired centuries ago to make any determination about whether or not they were actually warranted.

Slight correction. Meredith didn't order an Annulment over one abomination. She ordered an Annulment because she had been trying to get one for quite some time, and was trying to go over Elthina's head to get the authorization. And when she has the authority after Elthina's death, her justification isn't blood magic or abominations. It's "the people will demand blood."

At what point did she attempt to go over Elthina's head. I think she wanted harsher restrictions, but she had never shown the desire for full blown Annulment until Anders.

If Kerras lives past Act 1, he'll say in Act 3 that Meredith has been appealing to the Divine for the Right of Annulment, and then says "that'll show these robes."

[Cainhurst Crow]

So a abomination managed to not only kill everyone or at least a sustantial amount of people to allow it to escape the circle, but took a whole year to track down and kill?

And people say these things aren't dangerous.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:58 .

[dragonflight288]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So it managed to not only kill everyone or at least a sustantial amount of people to allow it to escape the circle, but took a whole year to track down and kill?

And people say these things aren't dangerous.

It took roughly that time for the Warden to bump into Jowan at Eamon's estate, if you do the Redcliff quest last.

I know, slightly out of context, but we don't know how many templars were looking, how many died in their pursuit, and how committed people were on staying on Meredith's sister's heels.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination. 

Meredith did precisely that, and we have relatively little information about the prior Rights of Annulment that transpired centuries ago to make any determination about whether or not they were actually warranted.

Slight correction. Meredith didn't order an Annulment over one abomination. She ordered an Annulment because she had been trying to get one for quite some time, and was trying to go over Elthina's head to get the authorization. And when she has the authority after Elthina's death, her justification isn't blood magic or abominations. It's "the people will demand blood."

At what point did she attempt to go over Elthina's head. I think she wanted harsher restrictions, but she had never shown the desire for full blown Annulment until Anders.

If Kerras lives past Act 1, he'll say in Act 3 that Meredith has been appealing to the Divine for the Right of Annulment, and then says "that'll show these robes."

You know, considering Justinia at one point considered a full on Exalted March, I wonder why she didn't simply grant Meredith's request...

[Hellion Rex]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So a abomination managed to not only kill everyone or at least a sustantial amount of people to allow it to escape the circle, but took a whole year to track down and kill?

And people say these things aren't dangerous.

I agree, but I don;t think this was a run of the mill abomination either.

[Reaverwind]

eluvianix wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination.

But the only codex that comes to mind wherein a specific body count was provided for a rampaging abomination, is 70 people over the course of a year.

Where does it say over a year? Meredith claims it killed over 70 people--including her parents--from her village, I doubt it lingered slowly picking them off.

Silfren is referring to the Codex entry on the Right of Annulment - though I think the wording of that one is muddied, and I believe those 70 people killed are in addition to the mages and templars slaughtered at the Circle prior to its escape.

Even still, to stay at large for a year? That is one seriously powerful abomination.

Powerful, smart, and goes to show the logistical nightmare it must be to track down one without the benefit of modern technology.