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[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So it managed to not only kill everyone or at least a sustantial amount of people to allow it to escape the circle, but took a whole year to track down and kill?

And people say these things aren't dangerous.

It took roughly that time for the Warden to bump into Jowan at Eamon's estate, if you do the Redcliff quest last.

I know, slightly out of context, but we don't know how many templars were looking, how many died in their pursuit, and how committed people were on staying on Meredith's sister's heels.

Silfren was referring to a different abomination. Check the Right of Annulent codex:

In the 83rd year of the Glory Age, one of the mages of theNevarran Circle was found practicing forbidden magic. Thetemplars executed him swiftly, but this brewed discontent among the Nevarra Circle. The mages mounted several magical attacks against the templars, vengeance for the executed mage, but the knight-commander was unable to track down which were responsible.Three months later, the mages summoned a demon and turned it loose against their templar watchers. Demons, however, are not easily controlled. After killing the first wave of templars who tried to contain it, the demon took possession of one of its summoners. The resulting abomination slaughtered templars and mages both before escaping into the countryside.The Grand Cleric sent a legion of templars to hunt the fugitive. They killed the abomination a year later, but by that time it had slain 70 people.Divine Galatea, responding to the catastrophe in Nevarra and hoping to prevent further incidents, granted all the grand clerics of the Chantry the power to purge a Circle entirely if they rule it irredeemable. This Right of Annulment has been performed 17 times in the last 700 years.

[wcholcombe]

dragonflight288 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I don't think you understood Xil's point.  There are hundreds of mages in any given Circle, as I understand things, so Annulment automatically means a wholesale execution of hundreds of people.

Annulment isn't declared over one abomination. 

Meredith did precisely that, and we have relatively little information about the prior Rights of Annulment that transpired centuries ago to make any determination about whether or not they were actually warranted.

Slight correction. Meredith didn't order an Annulment over one abomination. She ordered an Annulment because she had been trying to get one for quite some time, and was trying to go over Elthina's head to get the authorization. And when she has the authority after Elthina's death, her justification isn't blood magic or abominations. It's "the people will demand blood."

Another corrections- We know of the abomination in Redcliff killing all the castle staff and if you allow it the entire village of redcliff.  That is well over 100 people for a single abomination in a large city.

Also, the right of annulment has only been around for 600 or so years, and we have no record of when or how often it has been used.  Or the reasons for its use, except for the 2 or possibly 3 recent uses of it.  The circle/templars existed for 200-300 or so years prior to the creation of the Right of Annulment.

[Reaverwind]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So it managed to not only kill everyone or at least a sustantial amount of people to allow it to escape the circle, but took a whole year to track down and kill?

And people say these things aren't dangerous.

It took roughly that time for the Warden to bump into Jowan at Eamon's estate, if you do the Redcliff quest last.

I know, slightly out of context, but we don't know how many templars were looking, how many died in their pursuit, and how committed people were on staying on Meredith's sister's heels.

Different abomination. Meredith's sister was never part of the Circle.

[Wulfram]

eluvianix wrote...

You know, considering Justinia at one point considered a full on Exalted March, I wonder why she didn't simply grant Meredith's request...

Is there any evidence that Justinia was really considering an Exalted March?  Beyond Elthina's speculation, I mean?

[dragonflight288]

@ Reaverwind and eluvianix

Ah.

[Dave of Canada]

eluvianix wrote...

I agree, but I don;t think this was a run of the mill abomination either.

Couldn't have been a higher tier of demon, it would've gained little from possessing an untrained little girl who had no social rank.

[Silfren]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
That's where the outposts come into play.

How would we structure the outposts so that they would be able to prevent abominations more effectively?

Brilliant. Let's have a dozen tempalrs in every village.
1 templar for every square mile.
I'm sure it's PERFECTLY practical and doable.

Relax man. If you read one of my later posts, it said that I thought it was kind of undoable and would require a lot of manpower. More than the Templars can provide.

Just villages and the roads. Plus patrolling some regions once a week.

It should also be brought up that there IS technology that allows for the transmission of messages.  Asunder used it, they called it the "sending stones."

[Silfren]

Wulfram wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

You know, considering Justinia at one point considered a full on Exalted March, I wonder why she didn't simply grant Meredith's request...

Is there any evidence that Justinia was really considering an Exalted March?  Beyond Elthina's speculation, I mean?

It is rather bizarre, isn't it, especially when you read about how in-game codices about how progressive Justinia is supposed to be and learn about her very pro-mage involvement in Asunder.  She is not at all the sort of woman who would declare an Exalted March on a suspicion.

I suspect that there was another story to be told there, that got axed when DA2 was declared over and done while they focused on other things.

Modifié par Silfren, 24 octobre 2013 - 06:10 .

[wcholcombe]

Yes, but those are largely limited to the circles and the Divine. Not every city, village, or fort has one.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

You know, considering Justinia at one point considered a full on Exalted March, I wonder why she didn't simply grant Meredith's request...

Is there any evidence that Justinia was really considering an Exalted March?  Beyond Elthina's speculation, I mean?

It is rather bizarre, isn't it, especially when you read about how progressive Justinia is supposed to be and learn about her very pro-mage involvement in Asunder.  She is not at all the sort of woman who would declare an Exalted March on a suspicion.

I suspect that there was another story to be told there, that got axed when DA2 was declared over and done while they focused on other things.

True, maybe dealing with that DLC we never got.

[Hellion Rex]

Dave of Canada wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I agree, but I don;t think this was a run of the mill abomination either.

Couldn't have been a higher tier of demon, it would've gained little from possessing an untrained little girl who had no social rank.

Different abomination dude. Check the codex entry I posted a few posts ago.

[Hellion Rex]

Wulfram wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

You know, considering Justinia at one point considered a full on Exalted March, I wonder why she didn't simply grant Meredith's request...

Is there any evidence that Justinia was really considering an Exalted March?  Beyond Elthina's speculation, I mean?

I had thought Leliana had mentioned it as well in the Faith quest.

[Dave of Canada]

eluvianix wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I agree, but I don;t think this was a run of the mill abomination either.

Couldn't have been a higher tier of demon, it would've gained little from possessing an untrained little girl who had no social rank.

Different abomination dude. Check the codex entry I posted a few posts ago.

My apologies. I'm in class and have to skim between opening studies.

[Hellion Rex]

Dave of Canada wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I agree, but I don;t think this was a run of the mill abomination either.

Couldn't have been a higher tier of demon, it would've gained little from possessing an untrained little girl who had no social rank.

Different abomination dude. Check the codex entry I posted a few posts ago.

My apologies. I'm in class and have to skim between opening studies.

No worries dude. I'm trying to type this in lecture and take notes at the same time.

[Silfren]

wcholcombe wrote...

Yes, but those are largely limited to the circles and the Divine. Not every city, village, or fort has one.

Which is beside the point, which is that the technology does indeed exist, so claims that there is no means for widespread, fast communications are simply false.  

The technology is clearly available.  It should be used.  Just like there is also magic-nullifying technology, which means that there ARE potential means for exploring Circle alternatives.  The problem seems most likely to be that the Chantry insists on monopolizing the technology, than anything else.

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

You know, considering Justinia at one point considered a full on Exalted March, I wonder why she didn't simply grant Meredith's request...

Is there any evidence that Justinia was really considering an Exalted March?  Beyond Elthina's speculation, I mean?

I had thought Leliana had mentioned it as well in the Faith quest.

Leliana is actually quite curious in that quest, in that she actually only gives Hawke the most bare-bone information, and nothing else. She says that the Divine was taking the situation in Kirkwall very seriously, and that action may be taken.

What the action was, is never really specified.

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

Yes, but those are largely limited to the circles and the Divine. Not every city, village, or fort has one.

Which is beside the point, which is that the technology does indeed exist, so claims that there is no means for widespread, fast communications are simply false.  

The technology is clearly available.  It should be used.  Just like there is also magic-nullifying technology, which means that there ARE potential means for exploring Circle alternatives.  The problem seems most likely to be that the Chantry insists on monopolizing the technology, than anything else.

I agree. However, in regards to the magic nullifying technology, are you referring to the Qunari arvaarad's control rod things?

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

You know, considering Justinia at one point considered a full on Exalted March, I wonder why she didn't simply grant Meredith's request...

Is there any evidence that Justinia was really considering an Exalted March?  Beyond Elthina's speculation, I mean?

I had thought Leliana had mentioned it as well in the Faith quest.

Leliana is actually quite curious in that quest, in that she actually only gives Hawke the most bare-bone information, and nothing else. She says that the Divine was taking the situation in Kirkwall very seriously, and that action may be taken.

What the action was, is never really specified.

Oooo, that's an interesting point. I am curious as to how the Divine would have reacted to Meredith's pronouncement of Annulment. 

[Reaverwind]

Silfren wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

Yes, but those are largely limited to the circles and the Divine. Not every city, village, or fort has one.

Which is beside the point, which is that the technology does indeed exist, so claims that there is no means for widespread, fast communications are simply false.  

The technology is clearly available.  It should be used.  Just like there is also magic-nullifying technology, which means that there ARE potential means for exploring Circle alternatives.  The problem seems most likely to be that the Chantry insists on monopolizing the technology, than anything else.

How available is this technology, really? I think our modern-day minds take a lot of things for granted in these days of mass-production. Imagine a world like Thedas, where they haven't even begun to industrialize. How are these devices produced? How much would it cost? Could your average village even hope to obtain one?

[Dave of Canada]

eluvianix wrote...

Oooo, that's an interesting point. I am curious as to how the Divine would have reacted to Meredith's pronouncement of Annulment. 

Meredith would've had to answer for making the call but who knows what they could've found in the mage quarters which would've supported her idea that the Circle was beyond redeeming.

[Hellion Rex]

Reaverwind wrote...

Silfren wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

Yes, but those are largely limited to the circles and the Divine. Not every city, village, or fort has one.

Which is beside the point, which is that the technology does indeed exist, so claims that there is no means for widespread, fast communications are simply false.  

The technology is clearly available.  It should be used.  Just like there is also magic-nullifying technology, which means that there ARE potential means for exploring Circle alternatives.  The problem seems most likely to be that the Chantry insists on monopolizing the technology, than anything else.

How available is this technology, really? I think our modern-day minds take a lot of things for granted in these days of mass-production. Imagine a world like Thedas, where they haven't even begun to industrialize. How are these devices produced? How much would it cost? Could your average village even hope to obtain one?

I would bet that the Qunari are on the way to industrializing, if they are not already there.

[Hellion Rex]

Dave of Canada wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Oooo, that's an interesting point. I am curious as to how the Divine would have reacted to Meredith's pronouncement of Annulment. 

Meredith would've had to answer for making the call but who knows what they could've found in the mage quarters which would've supported her idea that the Circle was beyond redeeming.

I would agree. I don't think that they Divine would have let her commence unless she had actual proof.

[Reaverwind]

eluvianix wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Silfren wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

Yes, but those are largely limited to the circles and the Divine. Not every city, village, or fort has one.

Which is beside the point, which is that the technology does indeed exist, so claims that there is no means for widespread, fast communications are simply false.  

The technology is clearly available.  It should be used.  Just like there is also magic-nullifying technology, which means that there ARE potential means for exploring Circle alternatives.  The problem seems most likely to be that the Chantry insists on monopolizing the technology, than anything else.

How available is this technology, really? I think our modern-day minds take a lot of things for granted in these days of mass-production. Imagine a world like Thedas, where they haven't even begun to industrialize. How are these devices produced? How much would it cost? Could your average village even hope to obtain one?

I would bet that the Qunari are on the way to industrializing, if they are not already there.

True, but they've already demonstrated that they're not sharing with the unconverted.

[Hellion Rex]

Reaverwind wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Silfren wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

Yes, but those are largely limited to the circles and the Divine. Not every city, village, or fort has one.

Which is beside the point, which is that the technology does indeed exist, so claims that there is no means for widespread, fast communications are simply false.  

The technology is clearly available.  It should be used.  Just like there is also magic-nullifying technology, which means that there ARE potential means for exploring Circle alternatives.  The problem seems most likely to be that the Chantry insists on monopolizing the technology, than anything else.

How available is this technology, really? I think our modern-day minds take a lot of things for granted in these days of mass-production. Imagine a world like Thedas, where they haven't even begun to industrialize. How are these devices produced? How much would it cost? Could your average village even hope to obtain one?

I would bet that the Qunari are on the way to industrializing, if they are not already there.

True, but they've already demonstrated that they're not sharing with the unconverted.

Maybe we can change that within DAI.

[wcholcombe]

Reaverwind wrote...

Silfren wrote...

wcholcombe wrote...

Yes, but those are largely limited to the circles and the Divine. Not every city, village, or fort has one.

Which is beside the point, which is that the technology does indeed exist, so claims that there is no means for widespread, fast communications are simply false.  

The technology is clearly available.  It should be used.  Just like there is also magic-nullifying technology, which means that there ARE potential means for exploring Circle alternatives.  The problem seems most likely to be that the Chantry insists on monopolizing the technology, than anything else.

How available is this technology, really? I think our modern-day minds take a lot of things for granted in these days of mass-production. Imagine a world like Thedas, where they haven't even begun to industrialize. How are these devices produced? How much would it cost? Could your average village even hope to obtain one?

I imagine it requires magic to use sending stones.  Plus, if an abomination wacks an entire tower-which nearly happened in DAO- no one is going to be able to send anything out if they are dead.  Then the other towers still have to get templars to said tower-by horse- and then they have to track down where the thing rampaged to.  The amount of time this would take in the world of Thedas would be months probably before the templars even reached the tower.  If this occurred in some remote village.....good luck. 

Also, we have lots of fancy communication technology in our world that isn't available to small cities and towns and even large cities.  Just because it exists doesn't mean it is capable of being made available to the masses.