Look up the urban dictionary definition of fedora. That just about explains it. They're using it sarcastically here.Cthulhu42 wrote...
Is this fedoras thing some meme I'm not aware of?Foshizzlin wrote...
Morocco Mole wrote...
I see we are taking out our fedoras
I'm waiting for someone to bring up Communism and how it's such a great ideology for dissing religion.
*Fedoras ready*
Modifié par Br3ad, 22 octobre 2013 - 01:28 .
Cthulhu42 wrote...
Is this fedoras thing some meme I'm not aware of?
Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 22 octobre 2013 - 01:32 .
But they do have alot of influence throughout Southern Thedas.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
The Chantry never "conquered" Thedas. Andraste's barbarian horde defeated the Imperium in southern Thedas and after her death, her message spread to all nations. The Chantry was formed long after Andraste's Exalted March and spread mostly through peaceful methods.
But pretty much every ruler is forced to defer to the Chantry if they ask for aid.The Exalted Marches are a example of this influece.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Yes they do. And? They don't directly rule anything.
Nah it was the Rivaini branch of the Chantry who partnered up with the nationalists, and violated the LLomerryn Accords by genociding the Qunari converts. Judging by the codex's wording it appears that the Rivaini Chantry acted on their own with no support from the Divine though.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
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LobselVith8 wrote...
When the Chantry uses religion to dominate and subjugate people in the name of the Maker, some people are going to take issue with it.
Ok, but I haven't yet seen someone killed because they didn't believe in the Maker. I haven't seen anyone with a sword to their throat being told to convert or die.
Entire towns of Qunari converts were killed by Andrastian forces, and modern Dalish are threatened to convert, as we know with the Sabrae clan.
During the Qunari Wars. It didn't just come out of nowhere. Killing enemy civilians in a war is wrong, but it's not quite the same as coming across a community minding it's own business and demanding they convert or die.
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Oh, I see now.Br3ad wrote...
Look up the urban dictionary definition of fedora. That just about explains it. They're using it sarcastically here.Cthulhu42 wrote...
Is this fedoras thing some meme I'm not aware of?Foshizzlin wrote...
Morocco Mole wrote...
I see we are taking out our fedoras
I'm waiting for someone to bring up Communism and how it's such a great ideology for dissing religion.
*Fedoras ready*
Modifié par Cthulhu42, 22 octobre 2013 - 01:45 .
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Entire towns of Qunari converts were killed by Andrastian forces, and modern Dalish are threatened to convert, as we know with the Sabrae clan.
During the Qunari Wars. It didn't just come out of nowhere. Killing enemy civilians in a war is wrong, but it's not quite the same as coming across a community minding it's own business and demanding they convert or die.
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Reznore57 wrote...
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
During the Qunari Wars. It didn't just come out of nowhere. Killing enemy civilians in a war is wrong, but it's not quite the same as coming across a community minding it's own business and demanding they convert or die.
Well the chantry already conquered all of Thedas...the only place they have problem with is Rivain.
Do you think they were kind to all the Old Gods worshipper back then ?
They killed them all .
It's a bit naive to think the Chantry wasn't involved in massacre .
Nowadays they just don't really need to , they more or less won.
Humans /elves not worshipping the maker are forced to live on the fringe of human society.
It's not really different than the whole Tal Vashoth business.
Modifié par Foshizzlin, 22 octobre 2013 - 01:53 .
Thank you for today's splash of hypocritical bigotry.TheBlackBaron wrote...
Because they're a large organized religion, and thus in this day and age, people just assume they're a corrupt organization. Apparently it's impossible to achieve size and power without being totally corrupt from the bottom up/top down.
You can thank teenaged and 20-something Reddit liberals and atheist keyboard warriors for that perception.
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
That wasn't just Andrastian forces that was Rivaini nationalists. There was more to it than religion.
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Thank you for today's splash of hypocritical bigotry.TheBlackBaron wrote...
Because they're a large organized religion, and thus in this day and age, people just assume they're a corrupt organization. Apparently it's impossible to achieve size and power without being totally corrupt from the bottom up/top down.
You can thank teenaged and 20-something Reddit liberals and atheist keyboard warriors for that perception.
How institutionally corrupt the Chantry is is somewhat unclear; we don't really have enough information on the matter for a conclusion to be drawn. The templars, on the other hand...
Modifié par Foshizzlin, 22 octobre 2013 - 02:13 .
I doubt religion is the real reason as the Rivaini branch failed to enforce Chantry policy in regards to the Circle of Magi at Dairsmund, who were practicing the tradition of Seers which is banned by Chantry law.LobselVith8 wrote...
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
That wasn't just Andrastian forces that was Rivaini nationalists. There was more to it than religion.
According to the historical account, it was due to religion:
"And again, when the Rivaini Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert it's people back to worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves." - The Llomerryn Accords
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LobselVith8 wrote...
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
That wasn't just Andrastian forces that was Rivaini nationalists. There was more to it than religion.
According to the historical account, it was due to religion:
"And again, when the Rivaini Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert it's people back to worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves." - The Llomerryn Accords
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Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
According to the historical account, it was due to religion:
"And again, when the Rivaini Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert it's people back to worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves." - The Llomerryn Accords
Seeing as Rivain isn't really even an Chantry nation, I seriously doubt that's all there was to it. Most Rivaini aren't even Andrastians. At the tiime Qunari civilians would have been citizens of a foreign power that just recently ended an occuption of the country. If they had converted to worshiip of the Maker they wouldn't be. Why would Rivaini nationalists care to convert people to a religion they might not even share?
It doesn't count as bigotry if I'm not attacking their demographic. I certainly don't recall ever saying how much religious people sucked, as opposed to the contrary on his side.You do realise that calling other bigots can be a form of bigotry, yes, especially when the point is very valid?
Denerim's grand cleric was horrible, from Alistair's memories, and the revered mother at Ostagar didn't come off at all pleasantly either. I think DAO also showed us Chantry officials who collaborated with Orlais so much that Maric and Loghain considered expelling the Chantry entirely, although that might have been The Stolen Throne.There isn't much evidence to prove it's entirely corrupt. All the corruption we've seen thus far has been centered in Kirkwall, where the Chantry branch acts almost independently of the rest of the organization. Yeah, Kirkwall's Chantry is corrupt beyond belief, but we never saw any real corruption or negativity in DA:O, the only other game where we've interacted with the Chantry.
Xilizhra wrote...
Thank you for today's splash of hypocritical bigotry.
cjones91 wrote...
But pretty much every ruler is forced to defer to the Chantry if they ask for aid.The Exalted Marches are a example of this influece.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Yes they do. And? They don't directly rule anything.
LobselVith8 wrote...
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
According to the historical account, it was due to religion:
"And again, when the Rivaini Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert it's people back to worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves." - The Llomerryn Accords
Seeing as Rivain isn't really even an Chantry nation, I seriously doubt that's all there was to it. Most Rivaini aren't even Andrastians. At the tiime Qunari civilians would have been citizens of a foreign power that just recently ended an occuption of the country. If they had converted to worshiip of the Maker they wouldn't be. Why would Rivaini nationalists care to convert people to a religion they might not even share?
So your retort that there was "more to it than religion" is speculation on your part, since the historical account states religion is why the attack on the Qunari transpired.
It's funny because I have nothing against religion as a whole.Well, now we -definitely- know the point was valid, if it's upsetting Xil.
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