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[Boycott Bioware]

In the Hang man, there's a guy who have chat with the other guy, they talked about "lyrium in the water"....

They all also talked about the Blight in Ferelden is just one year...

They talked about conspiracy....

The Talkative Man said "The truth is out there..."

[Reznore57]

It's some kind of Xfiles easter egg ,Qistina.
Nothing too serious.

The idea that everybody in Thedas is hallucinating is kinda of cool , but there's proof demons are more than people imagination.
I mean Meredith sister was a kid when she turned abominations , she wouldn't have managed to kill so much people all by herself.

There is just one hint that people are not aware of the full "reality" of Thedas , in the codex about the Veil in the World of Thedas.
It just says that the fade may not be another realm , it's fully part of Thedas but the veil is disconnecting people from it.
Even if it turns out to be true and people are under some kind of illusion , the demons and spirit are still real and under the same kind of "spell".

[Boycott Bioware]

Varric himself is "crazy"...it explained in the Haunted House quest. He hear music and voices, other companions don't. He also become offensive to the woman who live in the house

It is not because of the idol piece, he don't hold it, he act strangely before he hold the idol piece.

Now, if we let him keep the piece, the whole story maybe just a crazy story from Varric because he himself is crazy. Even we dispose the idol piece, Varric already acted strangely before he pick up the piece

I always have that thought but i never mention it, that is Varric himself have mental problem and his story about Hawke is unreliable

In DA:O, we rarely see demons and spirit, we see them only in some places that are

i. The Circle - this place surely have lyrium
ii. Alienage - Ser Otto is a Templar, he consume lyrium (edit : there's also Tevinter Mages there and Chantry guarded by templars, the sister talked abut a priest brother dead falling into lyrium container)
iii. Redcliffe castle - there are two Mages inside, Jowan and Conor, Mages can make illusions
v. Temple of Andraste - this place built on lyrium
vi. The Fade - the world of dream and illusion

There's no demons in real world at other places in DA:O...but in DA2 we see demons everywhere...and that guy in the Hang Man talked about lyrium in the water makes sense...

Modifié par Qistina, 26 octobre 2013 - 06:33 .

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If we look closely at Ser Otto quest, he said he sense something demonic in the Alienage, he ask us to find clues...the clues are

i. Dead dog
ii. crazy Elf girl outside
iii. blood outside the building

I can assume that it is all crazy stuff, Ser Otto is crazy, the building is somewhat effected by the craziness, it create a somewhat static energy that will project illusions...the static energy that makes ghosts appear on cameras, films and make us feel chill being in some places...

So when the Warden and Co, and Ser Otto get into the building, demons and ghosts appear, the mental state of Ser Otto effected the static energy that project those demons come into being.. it effect the Warden and Co also...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And this strikes you as more likely than the alternative explanation why?

[LOLandStuff]

People in Thedas are potheads who do shrooms from dwarven trade and hallucinate stuff. And when Ser Otto got impaled by a pitchfork, it's all in your mind. The fact that he lays in a pool of his own blood and doesn't move is because everyone is stone but he's past his glory days.

[Boycott Bioware]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
And this strikes you as more likely than the alternative explanation why?

Maybe the reason the Chantry controlling the lyrium trade is because they want to contaminate Thedas with it, slowly, through generations, by the same time they make peoples hallucinate about demons, to make peoples believe in demons and spirit, and make peoples believe in the Maker and the Chantry doctrines, making people believe Mages are dangerous because of "demons"

It is like a doctor who contaminate the whole population with disease then the peoples will come to him for medicine

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
And this strikes you as more likely than the alternative explanation why?

Maybe the reason the Chantry controlling the lyrium trade is because they want to contaminate Thedas with it, slowly, through generations, by the same time they make peoples hallucinate about demons, to make peoples believe in demons and spirit, and make peoples believe in the Maker and the Chantry doctrines, making people believe Mages are dangerous because of "demons"

It is like a doctor who contaminate the whole population with disease then the peoples will come to him for medicine

That's not an answer to the question.

[Boycott Bioware]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
That's not an answer to the question.

That is my answer to your question,... maybe you already decided the answer?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
That's not an answer to the question.

That is my answer to your question,... maybe you already decided the answer?

Yes I have, but I'd have heard you out if your answer had anything to do with my question. Why exactly do you think this makes more sense than Thedas actually working the way it seems to work?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 26 octobre 2013 - 05:37 .

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Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Yes I have, but I'd have heard you out if your answer had anything to do with my question. Why exactly do you think this makes more sense than Thedas actually working the way it seems to work?

An answer for an answer, no matter the answer answering your question or not, still it is an answer.

I think, because everything that it lead don't make any sense, the Blight, The Warden, Mage-Templar issue, abomination, demons, spirit, the Fade, Hawke, Qunari, Meredith, Inquisition...it is all don't make any sense

I am trying to find some sense, but i can't, it just don't make any sense...so i make my theory about it...it is not baseless, but at least it gave some sense for me

[LOLandStuff]

People going schizo and hallucinating makes even less sense.
Or, you should remember DA is a fantasy setting where everything is possible and makes sense in that world.

[Boycott Bioware]

LOLandStuff wrote...
Or, you should remember DA is a fantasy setting where everything is possible and makes sense in that world.

even so, there are questionable things even from the setup it self...

Why the Dalish believe the demons that is the very same demons as Andrasterian believe in?

Dwarves have no connection to the Fade, but still believe in demons as Andrasterians and Dalish believe in?

That don't make any sense

[AlexanderCousland]

Qistina wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...
Or, you should remember DA is a fantasy setting where everything is possible and makes sense in that world.

even so, there are questionable things even from the setup it self...

Why the Dalish believe the demons that is the very same demons as Andrasterian believe in?

Dwarves have no connection to the Fade, but still believe in demons as Andrasterians and Dalish believe in?

That don't make any sense

There is no "correct" way of believing in demons, the maker, or any other thedasonian relegion.

[Boycott Bioware]

FreshIstay wrote...
There is no "correct" way of believing in demons, the maker, or any other thedasonian relegion.

Then there is only "false" way and everything is "false"

[LOLandStuff]

Because demons exist? And they've come out of the Fade on numerous occasions, attacking people and killing them.
You don't just drop dead or be torn apart into million of pieces from a hallucination.

Let's say you see things. X gets slammed to a wall and gets split in half. You see it and go hysterical. You call the authorities to tell them what happened and you claim it was a demon. They don't believe you and say you're just going crazy. But then the demon appears and kills them. What are the chances of everyone having the same hallucination and dying because of it.
How can something that doesn't exist make you bleed or kill you?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Qistina wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...
Or, you should remember DA is a fantasy setting where everything is possible and makes sense in that world.

even so, there are questionable things even from the setup it self...

Why the Dalish believe the demons that is the very same demons as Andrasterian believe in?

Dwarves have no connection to the Fade, but still believe in demons as Andrasterians and Dalish believe in?

That don't make any sense

Dwarves still believe the Fade exists. And demons often come out of the fade and attack Thedas that's why they believe they exist.

[Silfren]

LOLandStuff wrote...

People going schizo and hallucinating makes even less sense.
Or, you should remember DA is a fantasy setting where everything is possible and makes sense in that world.

This isn't true in the slightest.  I don't understand where people get the idea that fantasy = anything is possible and makes sense for the setting, or why it's so commonly used as an excuse to explain or justify everyting from problematic tropes to plot inconsistencies.

SOME fantasy stories work that way, but it's by no means a defining element of the genre.  The fantasy universes which use this "anything goes" trope only use it successfully because they establish from the start that characteristic as being a fundamental part of the way the universe works.  But you don't see this trope used in fantasies like Lord of the Rings or A Song of Ice and Fire, or Harry Potter, or any other such fantasy story.  Most fantasies establish a set of internal rules and have a solid foundation in realism.  It's this very foundation that allows us to suspend our disbelief to accept the fantastical bits.  

[Silfren]

[quote]Qistina wrote...

[quote]Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Yes I have, but I'd have heard you out if your answer had anything to do with my question. Why exactly do you think this makes more sense than Thedas actually working the way it seems to work? [/quote]

An answer for an answer, no matter the answer answering your question or not, still it is an answer. [/qupte]

This is just silly.  It didn't address their question; arguing this "related or not, is still an answer" is an unnecessary wade into philosophical nonsense.

[quote]I think, because everything that it lead don't make any sense, the Blight, The Warden, Mage-Templar issue, abomination, demons, spirit, the Fade, Hawke, Qunari, Meredith, Inquisition...it is all don't make any sense

I am trying to find some sense, but i can't, it just don't make any sense...so i make my theory about it...it is not baseless, but at least it gave some sense for me[/quote]

How does it not make sense?  Expand on this, please.  And do try explaining how your "it's all an illusion" theory somehow makes MORE sense?  For that matter, you'd need to take the time to really examine your theory and explain all the giant-freaking plot holes in it. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

And DA has it.

Your theroy is a hallucination. I dont belive you exist.

[Silfren]

Qistina wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...
Or, you should remember DA is a fantasy setting where everything is possible and makes sense in that world.

even so, there are questionable things even from the setup it self...

Why the Dalish believe the demons that is the very same demons as Andrasterian believe in?

Dwarves have no connection to the Fade, but still believe in demons as Andrasterians and Dalish believe in?

That don't make any sense

There's a difference between having mysteries within the world that raise a lot of questions, and things just not making sense. 

Demons are NOT NOT NOT something that people, human or elf, believe in.  Demons are very much a concrete, tangible thing in the world, and thus are not subject to belief the way the Maker or the Creators are: people don't believe in demons any more than they believe in oxygen or the skin of their feet. 

Again, Dwarves don't believe in demons either, they know very well that demons exist--and it needs to be pointed out that surface dwarves do have a connection to the Fade, so it seems.  Something about the Stone causes them to have a powerful resistance to lyrium and likewise it cuts them off from the Fade realm.  But as for belief in demons, no.  Dwarves acknowledge the existence of demons just as other peoples do, because demons are actual, known beings, just as real as trees and darkspawn and lyrium.

Modifié par Silfren, 26 octobre 2013 - 07:43 .

[Boycott Bioware]

How does it not make sense? Expand on this, please. And do try explaining how your "it's all an illusion" theory somehow makes MORE sense? For that matter, you'd need to take the time to really examine your theory and explain all the giant-freaking plot holes in it.

It is established that demons are preying on mortals especially Mages because they want to see the world through the mortals eyes...such as the Rage demon say in Mage Origin. But we can see them in real world in their true form, not as abomination. It means that they are not real at all, they can appear in real world as their true self in the Fade

The Fade is realms of illusion, they existed there in their form, yet in real world they are in that same shape and form and can bring destruction even without possessing anyone. There is a contradiction in that. They can't be real in real world, the only way to be in real world is by possessing something, because they are not real to begin with

When someone is "possessed" they are actually changing personality, changing consciousness, changing mentality, changing "soul"...that is how the "demons" want to live in real world. The "demons" are actually a person who have that mental problem...split personality...such as Connor and Anders...they have split personality

See that?

We can see demons at certain places in DA:O, those places are either near lyrium, build on lyrium, or have relation with lyrium. Because of the belief in demons, it is not shocking if everyone will see the same thing, even a Dwarf, because that Dwarf have some sense of how demon look like by common stereotypes

I give you example...when we say "Satan", everyone will have this image in their mind...a red humanoid creature with horns, bat wings, and pointed tail, isn't it? Every human on earth will imagine the same thing when we say "Satan" to them

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...
Or, you should remember DA is a fantasy setting where everything is possible and makes sense in that world.

even so, there are questionable things even from the setup it self...

Why the Dalish believe the demons that is the very same demons as Andrasterian believe in?

Dwarves have no connection to the Fade, but still believe in demons as Andrasterians and Dalish believe in?

That don't make any sense

Considering the amount of work any conspiracy would have to go to to convince them of these in this context, I think this is a better argument against your crackpot theory than for it.

[AlexanderCousland]

Qistina wrote...

How does it not make sense? Expand on this, please. And do try explaining how your "it's all an illusion" theory somehow makes MORE sense? For that matter, you'd need to take the time to really examine your theory and explain all the giant-freaking plot holes in it.

It is established that demons are preying on mortals especially Mages because they want to see the world through the mortals eyes...such as the Rage demon say in Mage Origin. But we can see them in real world in their true form, not as abomination. It means that they are not real at all, they can appear in real world as their true self in the Fade

The Fade is realms of illusion, they existed there in their form, yet in real world they are in that same shape and form and can bring destruction even without possessing anyone. There is a contradiction in that. They can't be real in real world, the only way to be in real world is by possessing something, because they are not real to begin with

When someone is "possessed" they are actually changing personality, changing consciousness, changing mentality, changing "soul"...that is how the "demons" want to live in real world. The "demons" are actually a person who have that mental problem...split personality...such as Connor and Anders...they have split personality

See that?

We can see demons at certain places in DA:O, those places are either near lyrium, build on lyrium, or have relation with lyrium. Because of the belief in demons, it is not shocking if everyone will see the same thing, even a Dwarf, because that Dwarf have some sense of how demon look like by common stereotypes

I give you example...when we say "Satan", everyone will have this image in their mind...a red humanoid creature with horns, bat wings, and pointed tail, isn't it? Every human on earth will imagine the same thing when we say "Satan" to them

You're talking like everyone just runs into Demon' s at the local tavern or something.

Like Rage is hanging out with a "Mom tattoo" and a red rag drinkin a cold one.

[Boycott Bioware]

In DA2....abominations can comes from underground...

What other explanation than it is all hallucination?