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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

In DA2....abominations can comes from underground...

What other explanation than it is all hallucination?

The developers' explanation is that the programmers screwed up. In-universe, it's probably going to be Varric bs-ing.

[Reaverwind]

Qistina wrote...

In DA2....abominations can comes from underground...

What other explanation than it is all hallucination?

DA2? Never heard of it. You sure you haven't been hallucinating?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Reaverwind wrote...

Qistina wrote...

In DA2....abominations can comes from underground...

What other explanation than it is all hallucination?

DA2? Never heard of it. You sure you haven't been hallucinating?

Nice.

[Boycott Bioware]

The developers' explanation is that the programmers screwed up. In-universe, it's probably going to be Varric bs-ing.

The developers halucinated

Varric maybe hallucinated, because he maybe crazy...as i mention before he acted strangely in Haunted House quest....either we allow him to keep the idol piece, or not, he's already crazy...his stories about demons and abominations everywhere in Kirkwall cannot be taken seriously because he is crazy...he is effected by the Red Lyrium

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

The developers' explanation is that the programmers screwed up. In-universe, it's probably going to be Varric bs-ing.

The developers halucinated

Varric maybe hallucinated, because he maybe crazy...as i mention before he acted strangely in Haunted House quest....either we allow him to keep the idol piece, or not, he's already crazy...his stories about demons and abominations everywhere in Kirkwall cannot be taken seriously because he is crazy...he is effected by the Red Lyrium

No, they can't be taken seriously because he's an admitted liar who tries to sell even bigger exaggerations for about the first minute. And even if we were to take you seriously with regards to DA2, the fact remains that with regards to the rest of the series, you're still introducing more plotholes than there already were. Not to mention your more-than-questionable assertion that the developers hallucinated too. (If that wasn't a joke. Actually, I'm hoping this entire theory was meant as a joke. It makes more sense in that context.)

(Edit: And your idea that the Chantry could be behind this, when in your theory this controlled belief system spreads to groups whose politics and belief systems they don't control? No.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 26 octobre 2013 - 08:24 .

[Boycott Bioware]

No, they can't be taken seriously because he's an admitted liar who tries to sell even bigger exaggerations for about the first minute. And even if we were to take you seriously with regards to DA2, the fact remains that with regards to the rest of the series, you're still introducing more plotholes than there already were. Not to mention your more-than-questionable assertion that the developers hallucinated too.

DA2 is "Varric story", now he himself being exposed with Red Lyrium...Bartrand is shown becoming weird as soon as touching the idol...the idol glowing a bit and the scene somewhat showing Bartrand is crazy at that time and betraying his brother

Maybe Varric also being effected by the idol by that time...also Hawke...no crazy peoples think they are crazy isn't it?

If Varric keep the idol piece, that's make his story more unreliable...a story from a crazy person...even a piece of the idol make Bartrand crazy, making the woman who buy the house crazy, making the house haunted and spectral golem with shades appearing...he keep that thing, imagine that

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Qistina wrote...

No, they can't be taken seriously because he's an admitted liar who tries to sell even bigger exaggerations for about the first minute. And even if we were to take you seriously with regards to DA2, the fact remains that with regards to the rest of the series, you're still introducing more plotholes than there already were. Not to mention your more-than-questionable assertion that the developers hallucinated too.

DA2 is "Varric story", now he himself being exposed with Red Lyrium...Bartrand is shown becoming weird as soon as touching the idol...the idol glowing a bit and the scene somewhat showing Bartrand is crazy at that time and betraying his brother

Maybe Varric also being effected by the idol by that time...also Hawke...no crazy peoples think they are crazy isn't it?

If Varric keep the idol piece, that's make his story more unreliable...a story from a crazy person...even a piece of the idol make Bartrand crazy, making the woman who buy the house crazy, making the house haunted and spectral golem with shades appearing...he keep that thing, imagine that

Maybe you have a point about DA2, but given how rational Varric looks in the Inquisition previews and the framing story scenes I strongly doubt it. Either way, that doesn't answer most of what I posted.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 26 octobre 2013 - 08:36 .

[Boycott Bioware]

Maybe you have a point about DA2, but given how rational Varric looks in the Inquisition previews and the framing story scenes I strongly doubt it. Either way, that doesn't answer most of what I posted.

Lyrium, red or blue, making peoples hallucinated,what being thought as demons are just illusions, the real demon is the person themselves. The demons being projected visually by the mental state of the peoples. What they think as real make it real

In other posts in other threads i theorized that Thedas is a box in a box, if you follow all my posts...so, Thedas itself is a land of perception, a part of the Fade...lyrium that connect these parts, like brain connected to the whole body by the nervous system

Chantry control lyrium, that is the way they make peoples believe in their doctrine and faith...

edit : There are "lyrium veins" in the Fade...atleast in DA:O

Modifié par Qistina, 26 octobre 2013 - 08:49 .

[Silfren]

Qistina wrote...

How does it not make sense? Expand on this, please. And do try explaining how your "it's all an illusion" theory somehow makes MORE sense? For that matter, you'd need to take the time to really examine your theory and explain all the giant-freaking plot holes in it.

It is established that demons are preying on mortals especially Mages because they want to see the world through the mortals eyes...such as the Rage demon say in Mage Origin. But we can see them in real world in their true form, not as abomination. It means that they are not real at all, they can appear in real world as their true self in the Fade.

How is there any contradiction here?  Hint: there isn't one.  At no point was it ever stated or hinted in the lore that demons cannot enter the mortal realm without possessing someone.  They prefer to possess people but it is not a requirement for entering the physical world.

I think part of your issue here is that you keep insisting that the mortal world is the "real" world and asserting that the Fade is imaginary.  The thing to remember here is that the Fade operates under different rules than the mortal world, and it is not subject to the mortal world's physical immutability, but that does NOT mean it is imaginary.  The Fade is just as real as the mortal world, and so are its native inhabitants.

The idea that because we can see demons in their real form, it means they aren't real...do you even think about your theories all the way through?  The only thing here that isn't making any sense is your faulty reasoning.

The Fade is realms of illusion, they existed there in their form, yet in real world they are in that same shape and form and can bring destruction even without possessing anyone. There is a contradiction in that. They can't be real in real world, the only way to be in real world is by possessing something, because they are not real to begin with

Again, this makes no sense.  You really need to work on explaining how it is that because demons appear in the mortal world in the same shape, that this means they cannot be real.  You keep saying this is what you think, but you're not actually supporting your theory with facts from the game. HOW is there a contradiction?  HOW can they not be real in the real world, WHY is the only way for them to be in the real world thorugh possessing something?  The point of asking you these questions is to force you to support your theory from the game. I'll start you with one: it is not true that demons can't be in the mortal world unless they possess a person, the lore is clear on that point.  If you're going to assert something, you have to make sure your facts are right to begin with, and here, they most certainly are not.

When someone is "possessed" they are actually changing personality, changing consciousness, changing mentality, changing "soul"...that is how the "demons" want to live in real world. The "demons" are actually a person who have that mental problem...split personality...such as Connor and Anders...they have split personality

Given that there are a number of different examples of what happens to possessed people, none of us can say "x is what happens."  In Connor's case, the demon's control came and went, and you can tell which personality is the demon's and which is Connor's: it is most assuredly NOT a case of one person having split personalities, but of two distinct personalities existing in the same body.  In the case of Wynne, it's strongly implied that her personality has not undergone any changes at all.  In Ander's case, it starts out with the implication that one cannot tell where Justice ends and Anders begins, but at various points the question is raised as to just whose thoughts and personality are dominant.  Still in others, the personality of the possessed person is completely overridden by the demon's altogether. 

See that?

I don't see anything except that none of your theories make a scrap of sense and disregard the lore completely.

We can see demons at certain places in DA:O, those places are either near lyrium, build on lyrium, or have relation with lyrium. Because of the belief in demons, it is not shocking if everyone will see the same thing, even a Dwarf, because that Dwarf have some sense of how demon look like by common stereotypes

It cannot be said enough: people don't believe in demons anymore than they believe in the weather.  They KNOW that demons exist.  But even so, no, people are NOT going to all experience identical delusions just because they share similar beliefs.  You don't know the first damned thing about how hallucinations work, that's obvious. 

The only way that people would all see, hear, smell, and otherwise experience the same thing would be if a third party was creating that illusion and forcing everyone to experience it identically.  But I suppose that's what you'll be arguing next.

I give you example...when we say "Satan", everyone will have this image in their mind...a red humanoid creature with horns, bat wings, and pointed tail, isn't it? Every human on earth will imagine the same thing when we say "Satan" to them

.....no, they won't.  Are you serious? Just because we have certain common tropes about what Satan looks like today, horns and pitchfork, and such, does NOT mean that everyone will imagine him in exactly the same way.  Even if a lot of people all picture a being with those common traits, doesn't mean they'll still see the same thing.  A great many people would imagine Satan as a man of extraordinary beauty, perhaps with wings, perhaps not.  Others would see a goat-headed humanoid figure...the list is endless.  Even if a lot of people did see a red humanoid creature with horns, batwings, and a pointed tail, I guarantee you that the particulars would not all look the same. 

Modifié par Silfren, 26 octobre 2013 - 10:08 .

[Silfren]

Qistina wrote...

In DA2....abominations can comes from underground...

What other explanation than it is all hallucination?

And enemies fell from the sky in waves.  Gameplay ain't lore.  You can't use the fact that abominations came up from the ground as evidence of any damn thing.

[LOLandStuff]

Enemies falling from the sky? Your mind must be playing tricks on you.
Like I said, Thedas is filled with shroom eating stoners. I bet they sniff up glue as well.

[Vit246]

Has _Qistina_ suddenly activated Troll Mode or something? That has to be it.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Vit246 wrote...

Has _Qistina_ suddenly activated Troll Mode or something? That has to be it.

Activated? Suddenly?

[Lotion Soronarr]

I postulate that the individual we refer to as "Quistina" doesn't exist.

No human being could come up with such broken logic and broken theories. Thusly, there is a cat (or another animal) playing on the keyboard and that is the source of the posts. Or we are all hallucinating. Either way Quistina isn't real and *CANNOT* be real.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I postulate that the individual we refer to as "Quistina" doesn't exist.

No human being could come up with such broken logic and broken theories. Thusly, there is a cat (or another animal) playing on the keyboard and that is the source of the posts. Or we are all hallucinating. Either way Quistina isn't real and *CANNOT* be real.

We can't all be hallucinating identically. Thus, the cat.

[Br3admax]

Qistina! Hi! How goes the battle against the vampires? And how's your weretiger brother doing?

[Karlone123]

Because they fart in mages hats, angering the rest of the world.

[TEWR]

"So corrupt" to me implies a level of corruption that cannot be reversed.

I don't subscribe to that line of thought, but I do think the Chantry is very corrupt.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Br3ad wrote...

Qistina! Hi! How goes the battle against the vampires? And how's your weretiger brother doing?

Came here for this. Was not disappointed.

[leaguer of one]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I postulate that the individual we refer to as "Quistina" doesn't exist.

No human being could come up with such broken logic and broken theories. Thusly, there is a cat (or another animal) playing on the keyboard and that is the source of the posts. Or we are all hallucinating. Either way Quistina isn't real and *CANNOT* be real.

So "Golems of Amgarrak" did not happen ether?

[leaguer of one]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I am Qistina

I'm V.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I am you.

[leaguer of one]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

I am you.

I am the eggman
they are the eggmen
I am the walrus
goo goo goo 

[Hellion Rex]

Jeez guys. Real classy. Leave Qistina alone.