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Then would it not stand to reason that his earlier post wasn't directed at you?Xilizhra wrote...
It's funny because I have nothing against religion as a whole.Well, now we -definitely- know the point was valid, if it's upsetting Xil.
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Xilizhra wrote...
Denerim's grand cleric was horrible, from Alistair's memories, and the revered mother at Ostagar didn't come off at all pleasantly either. I think DAO also showed us Chantry officials who collaborated with Orlais so much that Maric and Loghain considered expelling the Chantry entirely, although that might have been The Stolen Throne.
Xilizhra wrote...
It's funny because I have nothing against religion as a whole.Well, now we -definitely- know the point was valid, if it's upsetting Xil.
Certainly it was a slam against atheists.Then would it not stand to reason that he wasn't talking about you in that earlier post?
Is it corruption, to be a religious organization that one would think is supposed to be politically neutral, yet is clearly in bed with the currently expansionist nation? And it wasn't just Loghain saying so.The Chantry's allegiance to Orlais; I don't see how that's corruption. They collaborated with a side they supported, yes. Was it wrongdoing against Fereldens? Yes. But that doesn't make them corrupt. They didn't launder money and take bribes to undermine the Ferelden government. And again, their level of collaboration is up to speculation; we all know how jaded someone like Loghain would be. Anything Orlesian, he hated, and anyone who was fond of Orlesians, he didn't trust. He'd say anything to make them look bad.
Xilizhra wrote...
It's funny because I have nothing against religion as a whole.Well, now we -definitely- know the point was valid, if it's upsetting Xil.
The Rivaini killing the Qunari converts over Andrastian beliefs makes no sense when you consider Genitivi's experience in the country. If the Rivaini Chantry and nationalists truly followed the religion, why is there no mention of the Seers being killed as well?LobselVith8 wrote...
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
According to the historical account, it was due to religion:
"And again, when the Rivaini Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert it's people back to worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves." - The Llomerryn Accords
Seeing as Rivain isn't really even an Chantry nation, I seriously doubt that's all there was to it. Most Rivaini aren't even Andrastians. At the tiime Qunari civilians would have been citizens of a foreign power that just recently ended an occuption of the country. If they had converted to worshiip of the Maker they wouldn't be. Why would Rivaini nationalists care to convert people to a religion they might not even share?
So your retort that there was "more to it than religion" is speculation on your part, since the historical account states religion is why the attack on the Qunari transpired.
Then please, do tell me when I've attacked, say, the Dalish religion for being a religion.Volus Warlord wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's funny because I have nothing against religion as a whole.Well, now we -definitely- know the point was valid, if it's upsetting Xil.
Yeah, I don't buy that for a second. Good try though.
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Xilizhra wrote...
Is it corruption, to be a religious organization that one would think is supposed to be politically neutral, yet is clearly in bed with the currently expansionist nation? And it wasn't just Loghain saying so.
Which ones?Because I seem to recall all of Thedas gets involved when the Chantry calls for a Exalted March.The only one I can think is Rivain but they acted alone without the Divine's knowledge.addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
But pretty much every ruler is forced to defer to the Chantry if they ask for aid.The Exalted Marches are a example of this influece.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Yes they do. And? They don't directly rule anything.
Like all those times countries ignored Exalted Marches and didn't send troops? Ya the chantry has so much power....
Xilizhra wrote...
Then please, do tell me when I've attacked, say, the Dalish religion for being a religion.Volus Warlord wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's funny because I have nothing against religion as a whole.Well, now we -definitely- know the point was valid, if it's upsetting Xil.
Yeah, I don't buy that for a second. Good try though.
Fair enough.Foshizzlin wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Is it corruption, to be a religious organization that one would think is supposed to be politically neutral, yet is clearly in bed with the currently expansionist nation? And it wasn't just Loghain saying so.
Depends on one's own definition of corruption, honestly. I'm not saying it was right, but it's more like favoritism, or string-pulling. But not outright corruption.
You were the one who made one by claiming that I was, in fact, against religion in general.That is at best a deliberate misconstruction of your blanket statement.
Xilizhra wrote...
Certainly it was a slam against atheists.Then would it not stand to reason that he wasn't talking about you in that earlier post?
The tone is one I'm remarkably familiar with in attacks on the entire atheist demographic in general, hence my reaction.TheBlackBaron wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Certainly it was a slam against atheists.Then would it not stand to reason that he wasn't talking about you in that earlier post?
Actually, it was a slam against, I quote "athiest keyboard warriors". Anti-theists, if you will. The kind that universally deride and campaign against religion, often overlapping with groups like OWS that rail against large corporations.
The fact that this is bothering you so much, despite supposedly "having nothing against religion in general", suggests to me that the lady doth protest too much.
cjones91 wrote...
Which ones?Because I seem to recall all of Thedas gets involved when the Chantry calls for a Exalted March.The only one I can think is Rivain but they acted alone without the Divine's knowledge.addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
But pretty much every ruler is forced to defer to the Chantry if they ask for aid.The Exalted Marches are a example of this influece.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Yes they do. And? They don't directly rule anything.
Like all those times countries ignored Exalted Marches and didn't send troops? Ya the chantry has so much power....
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addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
Which ones?Because I seem to recall all of Thedas gets involved when the Chantry calls for a Exalted March.The only one I can think is Rivain but they acted alone without the Divine's knowledge.addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
But pretty much every ruler is forced to defer to the Chantry if they ask for aid.The Exalted Marches are a example of this influece.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Yes they do. And? They don't directly rule anything.
Like all those times countries ignored Exalted Marches and didn't send troops? Ya the chantry has so much power....
How about that time the Dales were rampaging across Orlais?
Or how about when it is a Exalted March the chantry still does not get control of those armies provided?
Tevintir just snubbing their nose and doing as they wish.
Two Exalted Marches were called against Tevinter and they were fighting off all of Southern Thedas,the fact that Tevinter is still standing is pretty amazing.The Dales were completely curbsturbed after Orlais had gotten the help of it's ally nations so again Exalted Marches usually involve everyone participating if the Chantry calls on them for aid.addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
Which ones?Because I seem to recall all of Thedas gets involved when the Chantry calls for a Exalted March.The only one I can think is Rivain but they acted alone without the Divine's knowledge.addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
But pretty much every ruler is forced to defer to the Chantry if they ask for aid.The Exalted Marches are a example of this influece.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Yes they do. And? They don't directly rule anything.
Like all those times countries ignored Exalted Marches and didn't send troops? Ya the chantry has so much power....
How about that time the Dales were rampaging across Orlais?
Or how about when it is a Exalted March the chantry still does not get control of those armies provided?
Tevintir just snubbing their nose and doing as they wish.
According to them. Accounts frequently conflict.When you think about it, anything the Chantry's done, while it may have been bad, was done in response to someone else attacking them or their nations first.
Actually that's quite debatable with Tevinter and the Dales since the former was because the Chantry and the Imperial Chantry had a falling out.While the Dales could be either way.Foshizzlin wrote...
addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
Which ones?Because I seem to recall all of Thedas gets involved when the Chantry calls for a Exalted March.The only one I can think is Rivain but they acted alone without the Divine's knowledge.addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
But pretty much every ruler is forced to defer to the Chantry if they ask for aid.The Exalted Marches are a example of this influece.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Yes they do. And? They don't directly rule anything.
Like all those times countries ignored Exalted Marches and didn't send troops? Ya the chantry has so much power....
How about that time the Dales were rampaging across Orlais?
Or how about when it is a Exalted March the chantry still does not get control of those armies provided?
Tevintir just snubbing their nose and doing as they wish.
When you think about it, anything the Chantry's done, while it may have been bad, was done in response to someone else attacking them or their nations first.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but you can't single out the Chantry as the only bad guy.
1. Tevintor is tevintor it matter not if they follow the chantry because they have there own chantry.addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
Which ones?Because I seem to recall all of Thedas gets involved when the Chantry calls for a Exalted March.The only one I can think is Rivain but they acted alone without the Divine's knowledge.addiction21 wrote...
cjones91 wrote...
But pretty much every ruler is forced to defer to the Chantry if they ask for aid.The Exalted Marches are a example of this influece.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Yes they do. And? They don't directly rule anything.
Like all those times countries ignored Exalted Marches and didn't send troops? Ya the chantry has so much power....
How about that time the Dales were rampaging across Orlais?
Or how about when it is a Exalted March the chantry still does not get control of those armies provided?
Tevintir just snubbing their nose and doing as they wish.
Volus Warlord wrote...
People think the Chantry is corrupt because
1.) It has power
2.) It is religious
3.) It is on the dogmatic side
4.) It has not done things according to their asinine whims
BS, don't agree at all.Foshizzlin wrote...
When you think about it, anything the Chantry's done, while it may have been bad, was done in response to someone else attacking them or their nations first.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but you can't single out the Chantry as the only bad guy.
Volus Warlord wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's funny because I have nothing against religion as a whole.
Yeah, I don't buy that for a second. Good try though.
LookingGlass93 wrote...
They allow templars the Rite of Annulment, which kills innocent mages in addition to abominations and maleficar.
They control templars by making them lyrium addicts, a process that leads them with mental disabilities in the long term.
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