Steelcan wrote...
And if they didn't teach you to completely dig yourself into a hole where you can't give the others side an inch you did it wrongRiverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Someone clearly doesn't know how arguments work...Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
They both have their ups and downs.
Actually, I took a class in it my first semester of college.
I was a blood mage at one point and still never got it, so I really can't say. In any case, the Annulment is still unjustified; you can't kill innocents for that.Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I've never gotten that option; how's it done?Yes, but Cullen wasn't wrong when he said that this could very easily backfire. There's an option to smuggle a blood mage into the Mage army. While I like having the option to do so, the fact remains that a less non-villainous blood mage or a particularly crafty abomination (not that there seem to have been any in this batch, mind you) could have done the same thing. Greagoir really did take a risk when he allowed Irving to vouch for the surviving mages.
Really? Never?
Okay then. Remember that blood mage who begs for her life? If you have the right spec (varies according to class, the ones that unlock this are Reaver, Assassin and Blood Mage) you can tell her to redeem herself for her part in causing everything to go to hell by fighting the darkspawn. And I don't think we see anything to indicate that she was caught. Granted, she really did seem sincere in her repentence, so I don't think there's a danger from her, but we can't know. And we can't be sure that none of the children or adult apprentices are similarly passing. That's why the mages who are left alive are Tranqulized. (Well, when the Annulment is properly used, that's why. Otherwise, it really is to keep the mages in line, which is a somewhat murkier issue morally.)
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Well, to be fair, he has been known to do things like that from time to time. He certainly didn't make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights because he thought everyone was suffering from a terrible drought.Br3ad wrote...
He came right out and told me that the Christian god is a dictator who hates all different people and condems almost everyone to death.
Old testament Yahweh is an assCthulhu42 wrote...
Well, to be fair, he has been known to do things like that from time to time. He certainly didn't make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights because he thought everyone was suffering from a terrible drought.Br3ad wrote...
He came right out and told me that the Christian god is a dictator who hates all different people and condems almost everyone to death.
"Religion evolves over time," friend.Cthulhu42 wrote...
Well, to be fair, he has been known to do things like that from time to time. He certainly didn't make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights because he thought everyone was suffering from a terrible drought.Br3ad wrote...
He came right out and told me that the Christian god is a dictator who hates all different people and condems almost everyone to death.
I'm curious, who do you not consider an innocent?Xilizhra wrote...
I was a blood mage at one point and still never got it, so I really can't say. In any case, the Annulment is still unjustified; you can't kill innocents for that.Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I've never gotten that option; how's it done?Yes, but Cullen wasn't wrong when he said that this could very easily backfire. There's an option to smuggle a blood mage into the Mage army. While I like having the option to do so, the fact remains that a less non-villainous blood mage or a particularly crafty abomination (not that there seem to have been any in this batch, mind you) could have done the same thing. Greagoir really did take a risk when he allowed Irving to vouch for the surviving mages.
Really? Never?
Okay then. Remember that blood mage who begs for her life? If you have the right spec (varies according to class, the ones that unlock this are Reaver, Assassin and Blood Mage) you can tell her to redeem herself for her part in causing everything to go to hell by fighting the darkspawn. And I don't think we see anything to indicate that she was caught. Granted, she really did seem sincere in her repentence, so I don't think there's a danger from her, but we can't know. And we can't be sure that none of the children or adult apprentices are similarly passing. That's why the mages who are left alive are Tranqulized. (Well, when the Annulment is properly used, that's why. Otherwise, it really is to keep the mages in line, which is a somewhat murkier issue morally.)
Cthulhu42 wrote...
Well, to be fair, he has been known to do things like that from time to time. He certainly didn't make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights because he thought everyone was suffering from a terrible drought.Br3ad wrote...
He came right out and told me that the Christian god is a dictator who hates all different people and condems almost everyone to death.
Who wouldn'tRiverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
And if they didn't teach you to completely dig yourself into a hole where you can't give the others side an inch you did it wrongRiverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Someone clearly doesn't know how arguments work...Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
They both have their ups and downs.
Actually, I took a class in it my first semester of college.
Then who would want to argue correctly?
:wizard:
To be fair, I doubt the children were blood mages, and very many of the still living mages did not deserve death or magic-lobotimies.Steelcan wrote...
I'm curious, who do you not consider an innocent?Xilizhra wrote...
I was a blood mage at one point and still never got it, so I really can't say. In any case, the Annulment is still unjustified; you can't kill innocents for that.Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I've never gotten that option; how's it done?Yes, but Cullen wasn't wrong when he said that this could very easily backfire. There's an option to smuggle a blood mage into the Mage army. While I like having the option to do so, the fact remains that a less non-villainous blood mage or a particularly crafty abomination (not that there seem to have been any in this batch, mind you) could have done the same thing. Greagoir really did take a risk when he allowed Irving to vouch for the surviving mages.
Really? Never?
Okay then. Remember that blood mage who begs for her life? If you have the right spec (varies according to class, the ones that unlock this are Reaver, Assassin and Blood Mage) you can tell her to redeem herself for her part in causing everything to go to hell by fighting the darkspawn. And I don't think we see anything to indicate that she was caught. Granted, she really did seem sincere in her repentence, so I don't think there's a danger from her, but we can't know. And we can't be sure that none of the children or adult apprentices are similarly passing. That's why the mages who are left alive are Tranqulized. (Well, when the Annulment is properly used, that's why. Otherwise, it really is to keep the mages in line, which is a somewhat murkier issue morally.)
You've got geth, reapers, blood mages, among others
Xilizhra wrote...
I was a blood mage at one point and still never got it, so I really can't say. In any case, the Annulment is still unjustified; you can't kill innocents for that.Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I've never gotten that option; how's it done?Yes, but Cullen wasn't wrong when he said that this could very easily backfire. There's an option to smuggle a blood mage into the Mage army. While I like having the option to do so, the fact remains that a less non-villainous blood mage or a particularly crafty abomination (not that there seem to have been any in this batch, mind you) could have done the same thing. Greagoir really did take a risk when he allowed Irving to vouch for the surviving mages.
Really? Never?
Okay then. Remember that blood mage who begs for her life? If you have the right spec (varies according to class, the ones that unlock this are Reaver, Assassin and Blood Mage) you can tell her to redeem herself for her part in causing everything to go to hell by fighting the darkspawn. And I don't think we see anything to indicate that she was caught. Granted, she really did seem sincere in her repentence, so I don't think there's a danger from her, but we can't know. And we can't be sure that none of the children or adult apprentices are similarly passing. That's why the mages who are left alive are Tranqulized. (Well, when the Annulment is properly used, that's why. Otherwise, it really is to keep the mages in line, which is a somewhat murkier issue morally.)
True, but this is in reference to a blood mage who was fighting you until she lostBr3ad wrote...
To be fair, I doubt the children were blood mages, and very many of the still living mages did not deserve death or magic-lobotimies.Steelcan wrote...
I'm curious, who do you not consider an innocent?Xilizhra wrote...
I was a blood mage at one point and still never got it, so I really can't say. In any case, the Annulment is still unjustified; you can't kill innocents for that.Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I've never gotten that option; how's it done?Yes, but Cullen wasn't wrong when he said that this could very easily backfire. There's an option to smuggle a blood mage into the Mage army. While I like having the option to do so, the fact remains that a less non-villainous blood mage or a particularly crafty abomination (not that there seem to have been any in this batch, mind you) could have done the same thing. Greagoir really did take a risk when he allowed Irving to vouch for the surviving mages.
Really? Never?
Okay then. Remember that blood mage who begs for her life? If you have the right spec (varies according to class, the ones that unlock this are Reaver, Assassin and Blood Mage) you can tell her to redeem herself for her part in causing everything to go to hell by fighting the darkspawn. And I don't think we see anything to indicate that she was caught. Granted, she really did seem sincere in her repentence, so I don't think there's a danger from her, but we can't know. And we can't be sure that none of the children or adult apprentices are similarly passing. That's why the mages who are left alive are Tranqulized. (Well, when the Annulment is properly used, that's why. Otherwise, it really is to keep the mages in line, which is a somewhat murkier issue morally.)
You've got geth, reapers, blood mages, among others
Steelcan wrote...
Old testament Yahweh is an assCthulhu42 wrote...
Well, to be fair, he has been known to do things like that from time to time. He certainly didn't make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights because he thought everyone was suffering from a terrible drought.Br3ad wrote...
He came right out and told me that the Christian god is a dictator who hates all different people and condems almost everyone to death.
It's not that hard to detect abominations, even hidden ones. For instance, you can magically scan their blood; if that's not an option, just hit them or whack them with a force spell; they'll immediately go into attack mode.It's supposed to be used in such situations where any mage in the Tower must be presumed a non-innocent for the safety of the Templars trying to take down the actual non-innocents. I can see an argument that killing innocents is wrong regardless, but the way magic works in this setting really does make it possible for very bad situations to arise. This would-be Annulment works out if you cancel it. The next one might lead to the next group of mages sent to the compromised Circle being placed in the same situation by a a surviving abomination.
Which is why people need to fallow what's in the new testament....Also this is not a place for real life religious talk.Steelcan wrote...
Old testament Yahweh is an assCthulhu42 wrote...
Well, to be fair, he has been known to do things like that from time to time. He certainly didn't make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights because he thought everyone was suffering from a terrible drought.Br3ad wrote...
He came right out and told me that the Christian god is a dictator who hates all different people and condems almost everyone to death.
Xilizhra wrote...
It's not that hard to detect abominations, even hidden ones. For instance, you can magically scan their blood; if that's not an option, just hit them or whack them with a force spell; they'll immediately go into attack mode.It's supposed to be used in such situations where any mage in the Tower must be presumed a non-innocent for the safety of the Templars trying to take down the actual non-innocents. I can see an argument that killing innocents is wrong regardless, but the way magic works in this setting really does make it possible for very bad situations to arise. This would-be Annulment works out if you cancel it. The next one might lead to the next group of mages sent to the compromised Circle being placed in the same situation by a a surviving abomination.
Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:18 .
We already stopped, bro.leaguer of one wrote...
Which is why people need to fallow what's in the new testament....Also this is not a place for real life religious talk.Steelcan wrote...
Old testament Yahweh is an assCthulhu42 wrote...
Well, to be fair, he has been known to do things like that from time to time. He certainly didn't make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights because he thought everyone was suffering from a terrible drought.Br3ad wrote...
He came right out and told me that the Christian god is a dictator who hates all different people and condems almost everyone to death.
Modifié par Br3ad, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:17 .
TheBlackBaron wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
You don't have to be an atheist to dislike the Chantry.
Do tell where I said you had to be. I dislike aspects of the Chantry myself.
TheBlackBaron wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Maybe it actually has to do with being the target of someone who is intentionally lying about her? It would certainly bother me if someone was mudslinging who I was simply because I disliked the Chantry.
For that matter, I must have also missed the part where I said Xil was an atheist keyboard warrior, or even referenced him at all in my original post.
TheBlackBaron wrote...
The fact that this is bothering you so much, despite supposedly "having nothing against religion in general", suggests to me that the lady doth protest too much.
Modifié par LobselVith8, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:18 .
Yes. Bring Merrill with you to the end of Enemies Among Us, and she'll scan Keran.Is that scan a thing?
Anders does this if you bring him along without Merrill. From the way he spoke, it sounded like it was some kind of reflex action.Also, you're assuming the demon is dumb enough to immediately attack when confronted in that manner. A lot of the ones that would otherwise pass probably are. That's probably not universal, though.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:20 .
Merrill uses it, of course I'm not sure how that makes any sense within itself, but sure. Like a scan.Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
It's not that hard to detect abominations, even hidden ones. For instance, you can magically scan their blood; if that's not an option, just hit them or whack them with a force spell; they'll immediately go into attack mode.It's supposed to be used in such situations where any mage in the Tower must be presumed a non-innocent for the safety of the Templars trying to take down the actual non-innocents. I can see an argument that killing innocents is wrong regardless, but the way magic works in this setting really does make it possible for very bad situations to arise. This would-be Annulment works out if you cancel it. The next one might lead to the next group of mages sent to the compromised Circle being placed in the same situation by a a surviving abomination.
Is that scan a thing?
Also, you're assuming the demon is dumb enough to immediately attack when confronted in that manner. A lot of the ones that would otherwise pass probably are. That's probably not universal, though.
I think Anders can do it alsoXilizhra wrote...
Yes. Bring Merrill with you to the end of Enemies Among Us, and she'll scan Keran.Is that scan a thing?
Anders does this if you bring him along without Merrill. From the way he spoke, it sounded like it was some kind of reflex action.Also, you're assuming the demon is dumb enough to immediately attack when confronted in that manner. A lot of the ones that would otherwise pass probably are. That's probably not universal, though.
Anders does the force push, not the blood scan.I think Anders can do it also
From the wikiXilizhra wrote...
Anders does the force push, not the blood scan.I think Anders can do it also
Modifié par Steelcan, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:21 .
Xilizhra wrote...
Yes. Bring Merrill with you to the end of Enemies Among Us, and she'll scan Keran.Is that scan a thing?
Anders does this if you bring him along without Merrill. From the way he spoke, it sounded like it was some kind of reflex action.Also, you're assuming the demon is dumb enough to immediately attack when confronted in that manner. A lot of the ones that would otherwise pass probably are. That's probably not universal, though.
Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:24 .
LobselVith8 wrote...
You said people disliked the Chantry because they're an organized religion.
Which completely ignores the actual reasons many people dislike the organization.
Frankly, your comment about liberals and atheists was petulant.
LobselVith8 wrote...
You seem to have missed my actual point, which was in response to your comment:
Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 22 octobre 2013 - 04:25 .
Shooting someone with magic is checking?Steelcan wrote...
I think Anders can do it alsoXilizhra wrote...
Yes. Bring Merrill with you to the end of Enemies Among Us, and she'll scan Keran.Is that scan a thing?
Anders does this if you bring him along without Merrill. From the way he spoke, it sounded like it was some kind of reflex action.Also, you're assuming the demon is dumb enough to immediately attack when confronted in that manner. A lot of the ones that would otherwise pass probably are. That's probably not universal, though.
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