"Think about the Grey Wardens' job: we think of them as heroes, as soldiers, but really, their job is disaster control, and they have an absolute monopoly on responding to that disaster."
They are the only known force that can combat the blights and the arch-demon(forgetting Morrigan -seriously how many apostate mages that happen to be the daughter of Flemeth no less do you know? - and she is hardly likely to share that knowledge) without the Wardens what would happen the next time a blight happens? Death, untold and unbound.
This is their monopoly the sole reason for their power; but how many others do you think would pay the price they pay? Nightmares, visions of Darkspawn, chance to die upon initiation into the order, average live span of 37 years, forsaking your family ties and entitlements(although the game seems to be a bit lazy about that one). ect.
Should the Grey Wardens be disbanded?
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#52
Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:44
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I guess every law enforcement agency everywhere should just stop going to work everyday. I mean crime is still going to happen, so we are just wasting taxpayer dollars.
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:46
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Maconbar wrote...
Couldn't any of these states take over the role of the wardens if they wanted?
That's the problem - no state has the desire or will to deal with darkspawn - until facing annihilation. Heck, the Imperiium was at that point, and still couldn't get it together.
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:48
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MisanthropePrime wrote...
So your solution is "throw as many people against the wall until they're dead and hope they make a dent?"AresKeith wrote...
MisanthropePrime wrote...
And how does going into the deep roads and randomly killing darkspawn actually rid thedas of darkspawn? If they were shown to be successful in, say, killing broodmothers, that'd be different. But we know Darkspawn breed FAST, faster than they can be killed.
What makes you think they aren't trying to kill the broodmothers?
Just because the Darkspawn breed fast isn't gonna stop them from killing as many as they can outside of the Blight
This is what I mean when I call the wardens "inefficient". At least the Legion of the Dead, when they do it, are trying deliberately to die.
The Legion of the Dead is not that different from the Grey Wardens
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:50
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The wardens aren't that powerful, they need the armiesUC SIM wrote...
"Think about the Grey Wardens' job: we
think of them as heroes, as soldiers, but really, their job is disaster
control, and they have an absolute monopoly on responding to that
disaster."
They are the only known force that can combat the
blights and the arch-demon(forgetting Morrigan -seriously how many
apostate mages that happen to be the daughter of Flemeth no less do you
know? - and she is hardly likely to share that knowledge) without the
Wardens what would happen the next time a blight happens? Death, untold
and unbound.
This is their monopoly the sole reason for their
power; but how many others do you think would pay the price they pay?
Nightmares, visions of Darkspawn, chance to die upon initiation into the
order, average live span of 37 years, forsaking your family ties and
entitlements(although the game seems to be a bit lazy about that one).
ect.
of allied nations to get them to the Archdemon to stop the blight,
anyway. And so I say just cut out the middleman and give the soldiers of
the armies the joining ritual so they can kill the archdemon without
their help. As to who would pay the price? The same people who sign up
for the military to give their lives for their countrymen, anyway. The
wardens have a monopoly on the Joining ritual, but not a monopoly on
courage or skill.
Crime has disparate sources and is a constant in society: as long as there have been laws, there have been lawbreakers. The darkspawn haven't only existed and it is known exactly what does and does not cause the blights. IRL, you can't kill a drug kingpin and suddenly all the drugs in the world disappear. But if you kill the remaining Archdemons, no more blights. You kill off enough broodmothers, and the Darkspawn population is severely impacted.Br3ad wrote...
I guess every law enforcement agency everywhere should just stop going to work everyday. I mean crime is still going to happen, so we are just wasting taxpayer dollars.
Trying to stop a blight by killing random darkspawn in peacetime is like trying to prevent a volcanic eruption by sending guys into a caldera to spray it with a fire hose.
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:52
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Reaverwind wrote...
Maconbar wrote...
Couldn't any of these states take over the role of the wardens if they wanted?
That's
the problem - no state has the desire or will to deal with darkspawn -
until facing annihilation. Heck, the Imperiium was at that point, and
still couldn't get it together.
The imperium was
fighting a war on two fronts: between the Darkspawn and the revolting,
semi-civilized barbarians on the periphery of the Empire that later
founded the modern nation-states, lead by Andraste and Maferath. The
wardens discovering the joining is described as serendipitous. Imagine
the good they could've done if they shared it.
The Legion of the Dead is part of Orzammar's military, the Grey Wardens are beholden to no nation. In my proposed solution, the Legion of the Dead (in organizational structure, if not cultural importance) is a better example to follow.AresKeith wrote...
MisanthropePrime wrote...
So your solution is "throw as many people against the wall until they're dead and hope they make a dent?"AresKeith wrote...
MisanthropePrime wrote...
And how does going into the deep roads and randomly killing darkspawn actually rid thedas of darkspawn? If they were shown to be successful in, say, killing broodmothers, that'd be different. But we know Darkspawn breed FAST, faster than they can be killed.
What makes you think they aren't trying to kill the broodmothers?
Just because the Darkspawn breed fast isn't gonna stop them from killing as many as they can outside of the Blight
This is what I mean when I call the wardens "inefficient". At least the Legion of the Dead, when they do it, are trying deliberately to die.
The Legion of the Dead is not that different from the Grey Wardens
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:54
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The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:55
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MisanthropePrime wrote...
The wardens aren't that powerful, they need the armies
of allied nations to get them to the Archdemon to stop the blight,
anyway. And so I say just cut out the middleman and give the soldiers of
the armies the joining ritual so they can kill the archdemon without
their help. As to who would pay the price? The same people who sign up
for the military to give their lives for their countrymen, anyway. The
wardens have a monopoly on the Joining ritual, but not a monopoly on
courage or skill.
The bolded part, the first problem you seem to forget is that not everyone survives the joining process
You would literally risk an entire army just because you don't want the Grey Wardens around anymore
And they need an allied army to get to the Archdemon because they are small in numbers
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:56
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MisanthropePrime wrote...
Reaverwind wrote...
Maconbar wrote...
Couldn't any of these states take over the role of the wardens if they wanted?
That's
the problem - no state has the desire or will to deal with darkspawn -
until facing annihilation. Heck, the Imperiium was at that point, and
still couldn't get it together.
The imperium was
fighting a war on two fronts: between the Darkspawn and the revolting,
semi-civilized barbarians on the periphery of the Empire that later
founded the modern nation-states, lead by Andraste and Maferath. The
wardens discovering the joining is described as serendipitous. Imagine
the good they could've done if they shared it.
And guess which war the Imperium thought was more important? My point stands.
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:56
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Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:58
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One, sounds like random convicts will be put up to me. Two, that's pretty much the same thing. Three, the other nations don't care, besides the Grey Warden Anderfels I mean. There's no point in me repeating the same evidence that you keep ignoring to prove your point.MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:58
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You don't administer it to the entire army, but an elite group of irregulars. Compare Maric's Shield to the entire Ferelden Army, or the Legion of the Dead to Orzammar's entire Warrior Caste. The mortality rate, based on conversations with Alistair, seems to be around 33%. You can factor that into your calculations easily. Plus, nations with secular, nonmagical education in alchemy (like Orlais and Orzammar) could set about perfecting the joining ritual and lowering its mortality rate, which the Wardens can't because they both lack the resources and hold it to be sacrosanct.AresKeith wrote...
MisanthropePrime wrote...
The wardens aren't that powerful, they need the armies
of allied nations to get them to the Archdemon to stop the blight,
anyway. And so I say just cut out the middleman and give the soldiers of
the armies the joining ritual so they can kill the archdemon without
their help. As to who would pay the price? The same people who sign up
for the military to give their lives for their countrymen, anyway. The
wardens have a monopoly on the Joining ritual, but not a monopoly on
courage or skill.
The bolded part, the first problem you seem to forget is that not everyone survives the joining process
You would literally risk an entire army just because you don't want the Grey Wardens around anymore
And they need an allied army to get to the Archdemon because they are small in numbers
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Posté 22 octobre 2013 - 11:59
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If other nations didn't care, why would they volunteer their armies to fight alongside the Grey Wardens during blights?Br3ad wrote...
One, sounds like random convicts will be put up to me. Two, that's pretty much the same thing. Three, the other nations don't care, besides the Grey Warden Anderfels I mean. There's no point in me repeating the same evidence that you keep ignoring to prove your point.MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:01
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Obviously they care when they are about to die. That's the only time humans, I mean IRL, ever care about anyting. When it is in self intrest. The end of Blights will not be the end of darkspawn. Why don't you get this?MisanthropePrime wrote...
If other nations didn't care, why would they volunteer their armies to fight alongside the Grey Wardens during blights?Br3ad wrote...
One, sounds like random convicts will be put up to me. Two, that's pretty much the same thing. Three, the other nations don't care, besides the Grey Warden Anderfels I mean. There's no point in me repeating the same evidence that you keep ignoring to prove your point.MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:01
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I think that as of the end of DA2 Grey Wardens are still needed, as the Darkspawn (and future Blights) remain a threat for Thedas. Given that only a Grey Warden can slay an archdemon, they've not yet become obsolete.
They will be rendered obsolete however the minute the last archdemon dies.
They will be rendered obsolete however the minute the last archdemon dies.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:02
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The Darkspawn are not a significant threat when there's no blight. The end of blights would be the... end of nigh-apocalyptic wars. Other times you never see more than a handful of darkspawn above the surface that can easily be killed by non-Warden soldiers.Br3ad wrote...
Obviously they care when they are about to die. That's the only time humans, I mean IRL, ever care about anyting. When it is in self intrest. The end of Blights will not be the end of darkspawn. Why don't you get this?MisanthropePrime wrote...
If other nations didn't care, why would they volunteer their armies to fight alongside the Grey Wardens during blights?Br3ad wrote...
One, sounds like random convicts will be put up to me. Two, that's pretty much the same thing. Three, the other nations don't care, besides the Grey Warden Anderfels I mean. There's no point in me repeating the same evidence that you keep ignoring to prove your point.MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:04
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MisanthropePrime wrote...
You don't administer it to the entire army, but an elite group of irregulars. Compare Maric's Shield to the entire Ferelden Army, or the Legion of the Dead to Orzammar's entire Warrior Caste. The mortality rate, based on conversations with Alistair, seems to be around 33%. You can factor that into your calculations easily. Plus, nations with secular, nonmagical education in alchemy (like Orlais and Orzammar) could set about perfecting the joining ritual and lowering its mortality rate, which the Wardens can't because they both lack the resources and hold it to be sacrosanct.
If that was the case they would've been doing that a long time ago, but they didn't
That's because they don't care about the Darkspawn until the blight happens, that is why the Grey Wardens exist and do what they do
Just because they aren't a threat to a Nation after and before a blight doesn't mean they aren't a threatMisanthropePrime wrote...
The Darkspawn are not a significant threat when there's no blight. The end of blights would be the... end of nigh-apocalyptic wars. Other times you never see more than a handful of darkspawn above the surface that can easily be killed by non-Warden soldiers.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:06
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That is because the darkspawn are preoccupied with searching for old gods. What do you think they will do when they no longer hear the call? I'll give you a hint, there's an entire dlc based on it.MisanthropePrime wrote...
The Darkspawn are not a significant threat when there's no blight. The end of blights would be the... end of nigh-apocalyptic wars. Other times you never see more than a handful of darkspawn above the surface that can easily be killed by non-Warden soldiers.Br3ad wrote...
Obviously they care when they are about to die. That's the only time humans, I mean IRL, ever care about anyting. When it is in self intrest. The end of Blights will not be the end of darkspawn. Why don't you get this?MisanthropePrime wrote...
If other nations didn't care, why would they volunteer their armies to fight alongside the Grey Wardens during blights?Br3ad wrote...
One, sounds like random convicts will be put up to me. Two, that's pretty much the same thing. Three, the other nations don't care, besides the Grey Warden Anderfels I mean. There's no point in me repeating the same evidence that you keep ignoring to prove your point.MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:06
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The wardens keep the details and effects of the joining a secret. No non-warden knows that the joining is the reason that only a grey warden can kill an archdemon, and the grey wardens prevent anyone from getting access to the joining formula. IF nations could administer the joining to their own soldiers I'm sure they would have started doing so ages ago.AresKeith wrote...
MisanthropePrime wrote...
You don't administer it to the entire army, but an elite group of irregulars. Compare Maric's Shield to the entire Ferelden Army, or the Legion of the Dead to Orzammar's entire Warrior Caste. The mortality rate, based on conversations with Alistair, seems to be around 33%. You can factor that into your calculations easily. Plus, nations with secular, nonmagical education in alchemy (like Orlais and Orzammar) could set about perfecting the joining ritual and lowering its mortality rate, which the Wardens can't because they both lack the resources and hold it to be sacrosanct.AresKeith wrote...
MisanthropePrime wrote...
The wardens aren't that powerful, they need the armies
of allied nations to get them to the Archdemon to stop the blight,
anyway. And so I say just cut out the middleman and give the soldiers of
the armies the joining ritual so they can kill the archdemon without
their help. As to who would pay the price? The same people who sign up
for the military to give their lives for their countrymen, anyway. The
wardens have a monopoly on the Joining ritual, but not a monopoly on
courage or skill.
The bolded part, the first problem you seem to forget is that not everyone survives the joining process
You would literally risk an entire army just because you don't want the Grey Wardens around anymore
And they need an allied army to get to the Archdemon because they are small in numbers
If that was the case they would've been doing that a long time ago, but they didn't
That's because they don't care about the Darkspawn until the blight happens, that is why the Grey Wardens exist and do what they do
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MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
That's great, remember Jory? You know the great knight who chickened out after seeing the joining? Or Mhari the great knight who died during the joining? Not to mention, the joining requires Arch Demon blood... I don't believe theres a whole hell of a lot of that just floating around. Annnd theres the whole problem that the Joining is blood magic.... which means the Chantry and all Non Tevinter Andrastians will hate you for it and probably rebel. Not to mention, even the soldiers who survive the joining, are then tainted forever. Sounds like a great solution.
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When there's no archdemon to organize the darkspawn, they are typically too stupid to be a threat. Awakening was an anomaly due to the presence of the Architect and the mother, who was artifically awakened by the Architect. Could Awakened darkspawn be a problem in a post-Archdemon future? Possibly. The good news? You don't need to be a grey warden to kill the Architect or Mother.Br3ad wrote...
That is because the darkspawn are preoccupied with searching for old gods. What do you think they will do when they no longer hear the call? I'll give you a hint, there's an entire dlc based on it.MisanthropePrime wrote...
The Darkspawn are not a significant threat when there's no blight. The end of blights would be the... end of nigh-apocalyptic wars. Other times you never see more than a handful of darkspawn above the surface that can easily be killed by non-Warden soldiers.Br3ad wrote...
Obviously they care when they are about to die. That's the only time humans, I mean IRL, ever care about anyting. When it is in self intrest. The end of Blights will not be the end of darkspawn. Why don't you get this?MisanthropePrime wrote...
If other nations didn't care, why would they volunteer their armies to fight alongside the Grey Wardens during blights?Br3ad wrote...
One, sounds like random convicts will be put up to me. Two, that's pretty much the same thing. Three, the other nations don't care, besides the Grey Warden Anderfels I mean. There's no point in me repeating the same evidence that you keep ignoring to prove your point.MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:12
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Chaos Hammer wrote...
MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
That's great, remember Jory? You know the great knight who chickened out after seeing the joining? Or Mhari the great knight who died during the joining? Not to mention, the joining requires Arch Demon blood... I don't believe theres a whole hell of a lot of that just floating around. Annnd theres the whole problem that the Joining is blood magic.... which means the Chantry and all Non Tevinter Andrastians will hate you for it and probably rebel. Not to mention, even the soldiers who survive the joining, are then tainted forever. Sounds like a great solution.
No head of state would ever mandate the joining for troops until it was far, far too late. It'd be political suicide. There's a reason for keeping it a secret.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:13
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Dude the Mother went insane because she couldn't hear the call. When the call stops, all of the Darkspawn will be "awakened." they will all go into a frenzy because the call will be gone. You're just grasping at straws at this point. As long as there are darkspawn, we will need a few to combat them, and I doubt the highest and mightest of noble armies will be the first to volunteer. We'll need the Grey Wardens until the darkspawn are gone for good.MisanthropePrime wrote...
When there's no archdemon to organize the darkspawn, they are typically too stupid to be a threat. Awakening was an anomaly due to the presence of the Architect and the mother, who was artifically awakened by the Architect. Could Awakened darkspawn be a problem in a post-Archdemon future? Possibly. The good news? You don't need to be a grey warden to kill the Architect or Mother.Br3ad wrote...
That is because the darkspawn are preoccupied with searching for old gods. What do you think they will do when they no longer hear the call? I'll give you a hint, there's an entire dlc based on it.MisanthropePrime wrote...
The Darkspawn are not a significant threat when there's no blight. The end of blights would be the... end of nigh-apocalyptic wars. Other times you never see more than a handful of darkspawn above the surface that can easily be killed by non-Warden soldiers.Br3ad wrote...
Obviously they care when they are about to die. That's the only time humans, I mean IRL, ever care about anyting. When it is in self intrest. The end of Blights will not be the end of darkspawn. Why don't you get this?MisanthropePrime wrote...
If other nations didn't care, why would they volunteer their armies to fight alongside the Grey Wardens during blights?Br3ad wrote...
One, sounds like random convicts will be put up to me. Two, that's pretty much the same thing. Three, the other nations don't care, besides the Grey Warden Anderfels I mean. There's no point in me repeating the same evidence that you keep ignoring to prove your point.MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:14
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1. Jory chickened out because no one told him the risks. Everyone knows the risks with being a soldier, and they take it into account when they voluntarily join the military (unlike being conscripted into the Wardens). No one told Jory that the joining would kill him, however.Chaos Hammer wrote...
MisanthropePrime wrote...
Did you read my topic at all? I suggest that the soldiers of national militaries should have the joining administered to them before fighting the darkspawn. It's just that the Grey Wardens as an organization have no reason to exist if other nations have the joining ritual.Br3ad wrote...
The extinction of archdemons will not stop darkspawn coming to the surface. That will still happen no matter what. The Grey Wardens prevent things like large raiding bands from killing town after town. Think about that while you say that random, unprotected soldiers should do it instead.
That's great, remember Jory? You know the great knight who chickened out after seeing the joining? Or Mhari the great knight who died during the joining? Not to mention, the joining requires Arch Demon blood... I don't believe theres a whole hell of a lot of that just floating around. Annnd theres the whole problem that the Joining is blood magic.... which means the Chantry and all Non Tevinter Andrastians will hate you for it and probably rebel. Not to mention, even the soldiers who survive the joining, are then tainted forever. Sounds like a great solution.
2. You can account for the roughly 33% mortality rate when administering the joining.
3. Arch demon blood is absolutely not required for the joining, as per David Gaider.
4. The chantry permis blood magic if it serves their interests: phylacteries are also blood magic. "Not having the world wiped out by darkspawn" is probably sufficiently important.
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Posté 23 octobre 2013 - 12:14
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MisanthropePrime wrote...
The wardens keep the details and effects of the joining a secret. No non-warden knows that the joining is the reason that only a grey warden can kill an archdemon, and the grey wardens prevent anyone from getting access to the joining formula. IF nations could administer the joining to their own soldiers I'm sure they would have started doing so ages ago.
And what do you think would happen if everyone knew about it?
Only a smaller amount of people would want to do the joining and become a Warden, the same would happen if other nations did it
I'm pretty sure the Grey Wardens themselves would want a way to take away some of the affects of the joining (and some are searching for a way)
