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[Argentoid]

Zuzu Mumu wrote...

To be honest i'd much prefer Drew Karpyshyn to write it..

I agree that Drew Karpyshyn should be the loremaster, but you shouldn't expect much from him.

[Sebby]

JasonPogo wrote...

Just wondering if Bioware is sticking with him as the lead writer on the next Mass Effect game?

Hopefully.

[Linkenski]

Me too, but I'd also like to see a new but skilled writer do it as well. I just read that interview which was linked and clearly Mac still doesn't a) Want to admit it or Realize what the biggest problem with the ending in ME3 was, though player agency is certainly also a key factor.

Drew seemed to be very good both as a developer and as a writer. Compare the writing in the darkhorse comics to Karpyshyn's novels. The language is much more vibrant and poignant for the most part when Karpyshyn writes and I think ME4 could benefit from it.

[Ice Cold J]

Wraith 02 wrote...

Christ I hope not

...no offense, but if it's true that he and Casey aborted that ending, I don't think he should be entrusted to write a blockbuster game again.

[almightydavidbc27]

I wish drew k was back as well. I don't have a lot of faith in Mac. His refusal to acknowledge the dues ex machina ending as contrived really leaves a bad Taste. It's literally the oldest narrative convention in drama. Ad to see it as artistic and revolutionary only speaks to his immaturity as a writer. He's there with Lindelof. Hopefully they get some new blood. Thugs need to be shaken up

[Linkenski]

When did he ever explicitly refuse having a deus ex in the ending? All I've heard him address is stuff about "why Shepard had to die" because apparently... that's why he think people are whining over the endings. Yup, he probably truly believes that the reaper backstory and choices are thematically rich, morally ambiguous, deep and of course they're not contrived. Also I guess this is damage control, but he has never been at a Bioware QA panel unlike the other writers... yup that's right. ALL of the other ME3 writers as far as I can tell have been at a live fan-panel at some point but Mac never joined in for QA where people openly ask about the ending.

[durasteel]

I have found the defensive attitude he has about the endings to be off-putting. While I can understand it as an initial reaction to criticism, I think he really should have quickly embraced the reality that the ending was bad.

Even if you somehow contrive a defense of the ending as "art" and you genuinely believe that we should have liked it, the inescapable fact is that we didn't. As a product that satisfied the company's consumers, ME3 was massively damaged by its ending. What we never got was "I'm sorry, I promise I'll do better next time." Instead, what we got went from "Well, the reviewers liked it and it sold well on release day, so you're wrong!" to "It's art and you just don't get it."

For me, anyway, the ending was a huge disappointment, but the attitude afterward was what really aggravated me.

[rapscallioness]

stumbled across this bsn thread from 3 years ago. 2010.

uh..well, it's just interesting that quite a few of the same concerns were raised long before ME3 came out. some of them down right prophetic (you'll know it when  you read it. there's a particular comment on page 3 or 4 about how the turians could be both the villains and the deus ex machina--the response to that was..enlightening).

sooo..yeah...i'll just leave this here.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/6103704/2   

*scurries back to DA forum*

[dreamgazer]

rapscallioness wrote...

stumbled across this bsn thread from 3 years ago. 2010.

uh..well, it's just interesting that quite a few of the same concerns were raised long before ME3 came out. some of them down right prophetic (you'll know it when  you read it. there's a particular comment on page 3 or 4 about how the turians could be both the villains and the deus ex machina--the response to that was..enlightening).

sooo..yeah...i'll just leave this here.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/6103704/2   

*scurries back to DA forum*

Ooooooh, look at all that misguided Drew K. fangirling and ME2 angst! Delicious!

[rapscallioness]

lol! yeah, there is quite a bit of the drew love. but i don't care about that.

point is i was surprised at much of the--turned out to be-- accurate concern for Walters' ability. Sorry. I don;t want to disrespect him, but neither do i feel wed to the idea that he has to be It.

Writing for vid games seems to me to be a hard thing to do. Not everyone is going to excel at this medium. quite a few ppl called it, tho. way before the drama of me3.

[durasteel]

Some of that was sadly prophetic.

I would really love it if someone could provide some reasons for optimism for ME4, some reason to think the trend might reverse.

[Linkenski]

Considering my reaction to ME3 when we first saw the gameplay reveal at E3 2011 and that it was consistent to my reaction when I finally played it that it was "even more action and less immersion and exploration" I'm probably just gonna let ME4 pass by if it shows the same trend when they finally reveal it.

Or if the plot is "first contact war" I'm also gonna let it go. I just don't care for war-stories after ME3.

[David7204]

See, it's so funny to hear people talk about things being 'prophetic.' You look on the forums here, and you have content like the Crucible getting way, way, way more support than it deserves.

Why? Simple. Because people need it. They need it. Because even with two years of time and hindsight, they're not only helpless to think of any better alternative, they're helpless to imagine anyone else ever coming up with a better alternative.

So if we're talking prophecies on the BSN, it seems rather silly to ignore this, doesn't it?

Modifié par David7204, 08 décembre 2013 - 11:52 .

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

See, it's so funny to hear people talk about things being 'prophetic.' You look on the forums here, and you have content like the Crucible getting way, way, way more support than it deserves.

Why? Simple. Because people need it. They need it. Because even with two years of time and hindsight, they're not only helpless to think of any better alternative, they're helpless to imagine anyone else ever coming up with a better alternative.

So if we're talking prophecies on the BSN, it seems rather silly to ignore this, doesn't it?

Still waiting on your ME3-isolated alternative, David.

And no, you really haven't posted it. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

See, it's so funny to hear people talk about things being 'prophetic.' You look on the forums here, and you have content like the Crucible getting way, way, way more support than it deserves.

Why? Simple. Because people need it. They need it. Because even with two years of time and hindsight, they're not only helpless to think of any better alternative, they're helpless to imagine anyone else ever coming up with a better alternative.

So if we're talking prophecies on the BSN, it seems rather silly to ignore this, doesn't it?

Have you posted your version of ME3 that succeeds without changing ME2 and ME1 yet?

[The Night Mammoth]

I don't understand, David. Why shouldn't the Crucible be supported? It works, it's pretty much exactly what ME3 needed and what everyone should have expected.

[wolfhowwl]

It would have been nice if the galaxy actually knew what the Crucible did instead of inflicting on us the stupidity of pouring all of your resources into a device you don't understand.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 09 décembre 2013 - 12:59 .

[Br3admax]

If you can''t trust Liara who can you trust, amirite?

Modifié par Br3ad, 09 décembre 2013 - 01:10 .

[dreamgazer]

Spoiler snip. Forgot what section I was in.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 09 décembre 2013 - 01:26 .

[durasteel]

David7204 wrote...

See, it's so funny to hear people talk about things being 'prophetic.' You look on the forums here, and you have content like the Crucible getting way, way, way more support than it deserves.

Why? Simple. Because people need it. They need it. Because even with two years of time and hindsight, they're not only helpless to think of any better alternative, they're helpless to imagine anyone else ever coming up with a better alternative.

So if we're talking prophecies on the BSN, it seems rather silly to ignore this, doesn't it?

Dude, what are you talking about? I've seen plenty of other alternatives thrown around. Some have been pretty lame, but certainly none worse that what we actually got.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the crucible. There's nothing inherently wrong with making the Citadel the catalyst. I can easily come up with a much better story that uses both these elements than the RGB garbage that we got. For one thing, in building the bloody thing the allied fleet should have been able to figure out what it did, and for another thing it should have done something other than "make star child say stupid things to Shepard."

I've eaten hamburgers with better imagination than that.

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...

See, it's so funny to hear people talk about things being 'prophetic.' You look on the forums here, and you have content like the Crucible getting way, way, way more support than it deserves.

Why? Simple. Because people need it. They need it. Because even with two years of time and hindsight, they're not only helpless to think of any better alternative, they're helpless to imagine anyone else ever coming up with a better alternative.

So if we're talking prophecies on the BSN, it seems rather silly to ignore this, doesn't it?

Are you sure your talking about the same people on the BSN? Cause I'm fairly sure our opinions on the Crucible are somewhat varied round these parts.

I for instance don't have much issue with the concept of a DEM itself I just think it could've been inserted into the story better and I would have made it do stilighlty different things when activated. Only thing I adamantly wanted to get rid of was the Catalyst, but no go right ahead and lump everyone into the same group and keep pretending you actually make sense.

[MegaSovereign]

Greylycantrope wrote...

David7204 wrote...

See, it's so funny to hear people talk about things being 'prophetic.' You look on the forums here, and you have content like the Crucible getting way, way, way more support than it deserves.

Why? Simple. Because people need it. They need it. Because even with two years of time and hindsight, they're not only helpless to think of any better alternative, they're helpless to imagine anyone else ever coming up with a better alternative.

So if we're talking prophecies on the BSN, it seems rather silly to ignore this, doesn't it?

Are you sure your talking about the same people on the BSN? Cause I'm fairly sure our opinions on the Crucible are somewhat varied round these parts.

I for instance don't have much issue with the concept of a DEM itself I just think it could've been inserted into the story better and I would have made it do stilighlty different things when activated. Only thing I adamantly wanted to get rid of was the Catalyst, but no go right ahead and lump everyone into the same group and keep pretending you actually make sense.

I would have been okay with having a Reaper Overlord ("The Intelligence" as it was in Leviathan) but it was a stupid idea to have it also be a key component to the Crucible because it adds some weirdness to history of the Crucible.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 09 décembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yeah kinda what I mean, if we need an overlord fine, but ffs don't make him the key to your superweapon.

[Killdren88]

I certainly hope not.