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[Liamv2]

Everyone's opinion is wrong.

[Eterna]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people on this forum would be much more enjoyable to converse with if they didn't run around spewing their opinion as objective fact.

Seriously, this thread is terrible. 

and yet you keep coming back to tell us about how terrible we are.

It's cute how you are essentially incapable of forming your own sentences and thus must resort to parroting others. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Eterna5 wrote...



It's cute how you are essentially incapable of forming your own sentences and thus must resort to parroting others. 

Aww love you too Sugar!

But you aren't Davey, Xil, God Tier Wulfie, Qistina, or any of  my other A listers so you really aren't worth the effort.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I don't even know who to disagree with in this thread anymore.

[Eterna]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



It's cute how you are essentially incapable of forming your own sentences and thus must resort to parroting others. 

Aww love you too Sugar!

But you aren't Davey, Xil, God Tier Wulfie, Qistina, or any of  my other A listers so you really aren't worth the effort.

And yet you continue to badger me in this thread.

Tell you what, you screw off and we won't have to converse further. I'd really be okay with never conversing with you again since the only posts your capable of constructing are aimed at ****ing about other people on this forum. 

Now shoo, run off to your little clique and **** about how I'm such a doo doo head. 

[Liamv2]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I don't even know who to disagree with in this thread anymore.

Shhh just sit back and watch.

[Cyonan]

Eterna5 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people on this forum would be much more enjoyable to converse with if they didn't run around spewing their opinion as objective fact.

Seriously, this thread is terrible. 

and yet you keep coming back to tell us about how terrible we are.

I haven't called anyone terrible.

You called this thread terrible as a result of the posts that have been made in it.

You may not have directly called us terrible, but you called our actions terrible or at the very least heavily implied that.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Eterna5 wrote...


And yet you continue to badger me in this thread.

Tell you what, you screw off and we won't have to converse further. I'd really be okay with never conversing with you again since the only posts your capable of constructing are aimed at ****ing about other people on this forum. 

Now shoo, run off to your little clique and **** about how I'm such a doo doo head. 

But the A listers aren't here right now!

That means you're just barely worth my incredibly valuable internet time!

I could say something negative about ME if you'd like, give you something spectacular to drone against.

[Eterna]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


And yet you continue to badger me in this thread.

Tell you what, you screw off and we won't have to converse further. I'd really be okay with never conversing with you again since the only posts your capable of constructing are aimed at ****ing about other people on this forum. 

Now shoo, run off to your little clique and **** about how I'm such a doo doo head. 

But the A listers aren't here right now!

That means you're just barely worth my incredibly valuable internet time!

I could say something negative about ME if you'd like, give you something spectacular to drone against.

You could say anything you want, but in the end you'd be the one leaving frustrated. 

[Seival]

Cyonan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Even very good imagination is very limited. If imagination would be superior, then there would be no cinemas and theaters, there would be no actors. Why would someone pay to watch a movie, if she/he could just read a book, and imagine all of this with the much better quality?... Imagination is only good for creating something, not for experiencing something.

Interactive movie creates everything you need to see, hear, and feel, within the story borders of course. There are different paths you can take. There are different outcomes you can get. If you will make just one playthrough the story will still be much longer than any good movie. If you will try every possible path and outcome, or just will want to come through the same path again and again, you will spend as much time as on an average regular videogame.

You claim that interactive movie has primitive gameplay, and I strongly disagree. When you need to open a door, you have to move your hand towards it first. When you need to dodge a knife, you need to move your character in direction that will help to avoid being hit, and do it really fast - within one moment. When you need to perform very inconvenient action, the interaction will be inconvenient too and will correspond to the things you see and hear. A scary scene? An intense combat scene? You didn't really experience all of that if you hands weren't shaking... literally; gamepad's vibration adds much to the immersion level, believe me... If you are not a coldblooded person, and pay attantion, you will literally live the life of your character in an interactive movie.

And what regular gameplay can really offer? Training of a skill of being better than scripted enemies or other players? Always pressing the same button to interract with the environment in order to push a button within a game? Wandering through the same corridors or tiny "open worlds"? Placing the story on pause to consume some time before the next cutscene?...

No, no, and no... you just can't feel how great is the music without someone playing it live near you.

As I said before, one medium is not superior to another, nor is it inferior. It would be like saying a hammer is superior to a screwdriver. It's not, it's just better at certain things while being worse at others. I'm not saying that imagination is better, I'm saying it's different and has its own uses.

I also did not say that interactive movies have primitive gameplay. I said that Quantic Dream's games have primitive gameplay. It's not a requirement of the genre, but I can't say I feel that QD puts much effort into the gameplay aspect of their games.

In gameplay you're making mouse movements or joystick movements, but you're not making the actual movement that would be required to open a door or dodge a knife. How is you moving to dodge that knife in an interactive movie any different from me moving to dodge a spell in World of Warcraft? You're talking about things which can be done by any other genre and often are.

Not really sure why you mention gamepad vibration, because it's not specific to interactive movies. Any game can make use of it, and ultimately while a nice touch it's not necessary. It's not like Amnesia wasn't scary just because I played it on PC and my keyboard/mouse didn't vibrate.

As for what gameplay can do, it can offer unscripted story. The best example of this being Skyrim, or really anything in the Elder Scrolls or Fallout series. Skryim is great because you aren't just playing a role in a story, you're making up your own story as you go and it is whatever you want it to be within the boundaries of the game world. I can choose to completely ignore all story and go exploring, and that becomes my story. That is the strength of a well made open world game.

Have you ever heard somebody say that a band is not as good live as they are pre-recorded? I certainly have.

You're a visual person. I get that and that's perfectly fine, but you need to understand that your way is not the only way when it comes to art. The great thing about art is that it's all subjective. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong, because it's all about the feelings that you personally experience from the piece, whatever the medium is.

I believe that practice is always superior to the theory even through the theory is also important. The same goes for experiencing vs imagining and truly personal memories vs remembered descriptions provided by someone else. Books are those remembered descriptions. Movies and games are closer to truly personal memories. And interactive movies are the closest to truly personal memories.

A typical combat scene from Beyond: Two Souls. It is a well thought out, performed, and motion-captured realistic combat, programmed to have several keypoints where player can perform right or wrong move within one second of slow motion. This combat feels much more realistic and exciting than any regular combat gameplay, where you move character doll through a flat surface, press the same attack buttons, and see enemy doll performing the same attack and move animations again and again. Beyond: Two Souls combat feels dynamic and living. Mass Effect combat feels too videogamish.

A typical dialogue scene from Beyond: Two Souls. It is a well thought out, performed, and motion-captured realistic dialogue sequences. Mass effect has similar thing, but not so well performed, and not time limited. In Beyond: Two Souls you have limited time to say something, just like in real life. You may rush and press each button randomly just to cover all dialogue options in time, but don't be upset if your character will say something stupid, or something you don't want her/him to say. Like in real life, think how you want to respond within a second, and respond. Have nothing to say? Remain silent. It's much better than non-time-limited dialogue wheel and all those hundreds of I-should-go*s we see in games like Mass Effect.

Gamepad vibration feedback can be much more rich in an interactive move than in any regular game, because interactive movie is a huge number of well thought out interactive sequences that require personal approach. In regular gameplay you might have just indication of weapon shooting or some heavy transport moving near you.

Skyrim... a sandbox, where devs literally told you: "we failed to create an amazing story for you, why don't you just find something to do in this sandbox yourself?". Very, very bad example of how stories should be made.

A band is not as good live as they are pre-recorded? Yes, the band is indeed not good enough as a band that equally good both live and pre-recorded. Good example actually. Personally I prefer to listen to the true professionals than to half-professionals.

Yes, I'm "visual person" for me this is the synonym of being progressive person.

Modifié par Seival, 24 octobre 2013 - 08:08 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Eterna5 wrote...



You could say anything you want, but in the end you'd be the one leaving frustrated. 

But your droning isn't frustrating Eterna, it is fun!

Just look at this banter we're having. You're getting all gruff and Eterna-y, I'm getting all silly and Cheesecake-y, and everyone else is laughing at us.

Your unpleasant well everything combined with my silly... everything is a sure sign that only good things are ahead!

[Eterna]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



You could say anything you want, but in the end you'd be the one leaving frustrated. 

But your droning isn't frustrating Eterna, it is fun!

Just look at this banter we're having. You're getting all gruff and Eterna-y, I'm getting all silly and Cheesecake-y, and everyone else is laughing at us.

Your unpleasant well everything combined with my silly... everything is a sure sign that only good things are ahead!

If by silly you mean stupid then I agree. 

But please, your time is valuable. Go make another David poll. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 24 octobre 2013 - 08:14 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Eterna5 wrote...


But please, your time is valuable. Go make another David poll. 

Don't be silly Eterna, I only need the one David poll.

Continue with the unpleasantness though, I like it.

[happy_daiz]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Just look at this banter we're having. You're getting all gruff and Eterna-y, I'm getting all silly and Cheesecake-y, and everyone else is laughing at us.

Actually, I'm laughing with you. Please carry on.

Err...maybe I'll just go back to lurking.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 24 octobre 2013 - 08:19 .

[Seival]

Cyonan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

A lot of people on this forum would be much more enjoyable to converse with if they didn't run around spewing their opinion as objective fact.

Seriously, this thread is terrible. 

and yet you keep coming back to tell us about how terrible we are.

I haven't called anyone terrible.

You called this thread terrible as a result of the posts that have been made in it.

You may not have directly called us terrible, but you called our actions terrible or at the very least heavily implied that.

People, don't worry please

By default we all know that everything a person says is just her/his opinion. There is nothing terrible in this.

[Liamv2]

WILL YOU TWO JUST **** ALREADY AND GET THIS SEXUAL TENSION OUT OF THE WAY!

[SlottsMachine]

Ackk... don't mention David. We were enjoying such a nice peaceful thread!

[Eterna]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


But please, your time is valuable. Go make another David poll. 

Don't be silly Eterna, I only need the one David poll.

Continue with the unpleasantness though, I like it.

Unpleasant? Surely you jest. I'm being quite courteous. Don't let me take away your "valuable" time. You have plenty of  far greater users to whine about than little ol me. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Liamv2 wrote...

WILL YOU TWO JUST **** ALREADY AND GET THIS SEXUAL TENSION OUT OF THE WAY!

^

lol srsly

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Liamv2 wrote...

WILL YOU TWO JUST **** ALREADY AND GET THIS SEXUAL TENSION OUT OF THE WAY!

Sexual tension is the ONLY thing keeping this show on the air!

If that gets resolved the whole damn thing falls apart!

[Liamv2]

You know i'm gonna leave before i get myself banned. 

[SlottsMachine]

Liamv2 wrote...

WILL YOU TWO JUST **** ALREADY AND GET THIS SEXUAL TENSION OUT OF THE WAY!

[Eterna]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...

WILL YOU TWO JUST **** ALREADY AND GET THIS SEXUAL TENSION OUT OF THE WAY!

Sexual tension is the ONLY thing keeping this show on the air!

If that gets resolved the whole damn thing falls apart!

I wouldn't be so sure.

We'd probably just spend days arguing about whose top. 

[Mr.House]

Eterna5 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...

WILL YOU TWO JUST **** ALREADY AND GET THIS SEXUAL TENSION OUT OF THE WAY!

Sexual tension is the ONLY thing keeping this show on the air!

If that gets resolved the whole damn thing falls apart!

I wouldn't be so sure.

We'd probably just spend days arguing about whose top. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Eterna5 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...

WILL YOU TWO JUST **** ALREADY AND GET THIS SEXUAL TENSION OUT OF THE WAY!

Sexual tension is the ONLY thing keeping this show on the air!

If that gets resolved the whole damn thing falls apart!

I wouldn't be so sure.

We'd probably just spend days arguing about whose top. 

Without a doubt.


(It'd be me though)