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[Zomg_A_Chicken]

I believe every new copy of ME2 will come with the card no matter what the edition is

Modifié par Zomg_A_Chicken, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:59 .

[Naltair]

Every copy gets the card.

[bucknut07]

I believe every new copy comes with the card.

[verskk]

Yes, you will get the card as long as you buy any edition of the game new. Used copies and (obviously) pirated copies can get access by paying for it. You won't have to worry.

[laertus]

Yes, you will get a copy of the card because Bioware messed up. There has been a lively discussion about this as originally the Cerberus Network Card was (and is still) listed as a Collector's Edition exclusive. It appears that Bioware responded to fan rumblings and decided to put it in every copy.

I find it amusing that as of today's press release there is now no mention whatsoever to the card being a limited edition as it is in the CE box descriptions. Even today the UK store GAME is listing that the card is not available in standard editions of the game.

For anyone interested, the original discussion is on the now closed Bioware forums .

I think it's just a case of Bioware handling the entire situation very, very badly.

Modifié par laertus, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:41 .

[izmirtheastarach]

laertus wrote...

Yes, you will get a copy of the card because Bioware messed up. There has been a lively discussion about this as originally the Cerberus Network Card was (and is still) listed as a Collector's Edition exclusive. It appears that Bioware responded to fan rumblings and decided to put it in every copy.

I find it amusing that as of today's press release there is now no mention whatsoever to the card being a limited edition as it is in the CE box descriptions. Even today the UK store GAME is listing that the card is not available in standard editions of the game.

For anyone interested, the original discussion is on the now closed Bioware forums .

I think it's just a case of Bioware handling the entire situation very, very badly.

This is a ridiculous supposition. All copies of the game come with the card. The community response had nothing to do with it. You are literally talking about like 50 people who were asking for an answer on that question before Bioware actually wanted to give one.  They had planned to keep this quiet until today, but they must have decided to let the community know ahead of time. You know, because of those 50 loud people who were demanding their answer.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 20 janvier 2010 - 03:48 .

[laertus]

While my initial comment was a supposition it was by no means ridiculous. Your only response to my comment was an opposing supposition. This is and was a serious mis-step by BioWare that needs a response from someone other than Chris Priestly on why they mistakenly advertised the card as a CE-only bonus.

[izmirtheastarach]

laertus wrote...

While my initial comment was a supposition it was by no means ridiculous. Your only response to my comment was an opposing supposition. This is and was a serious mis-step by BioWare that needs a response from someone other than Chris Priestly on why they mistakenly advertised the card as a CE-only bonus.

I don't see why any response is needed. The only people who were affected were a few over-zealous fans on the forums. I do agree with you that better communication with retailers could have avoided this whole thing. But if you followed it as it developed, the real confusion happened right around the holidays, so a response was much slower then it otherwise might have been.

As I said, I am sure this is not what they planned. The card should probably never have been mentioned until today.

My problem with what you are saying is the idea that Bioware never intended to offer the card to anyone but those who purchases the CE. That's crazy. Say they had announced that in December. Since access to the network without the card costs 1200 MS points, everyone would have rushed out to buy the CE.

As Chris said at the time, the marketing was not clear. For whatever reason, the thing ended up listed as a "limited edition" card. Since they never really advertised the contents of the regular edition, no one knew it came with the card.

[Deran2]

laertus wrote...

Yes, you will get a copy of the card because Bioware messed up. There has been a lively discussion about this as originally the Cerberus Network Card was (and is still) listed as a Collector's Edition exclusive. It appears that Bioware responded to fan rumblings and decided to put it in every copy.

I find it amusing that as of today's press release there is now no mention whatsoever to the card being a limited edition as it is in the CE box descriptions. Even today the UK store GAME is listing that the card is not available in standard editions of the game.

For anyone interested, the original discussion is on the now closed Bioware forums .

I think it's just a case of Bioware handling the entire situation very, very badly.

Didn't some UK retailer say the same thing about Dragon Age and its rave card?

[izmirtheastarach]

Deran2 wrote...

Didn't some UK retailer say the same thing about Dragon Age and its rave card?

Yep. Retailers often give bad info. If there is any argument to be made here, it's that EA needs someone from PR running around yelling at these retailers.

[laertus]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I don't see why any response is needed. The only people who were affected were a few over-zealous fans on the forums. I do agree with you that better communication with retailers could have avoided this whole thing. But if you followed it as it developed, the real confusion happened right around the holidays, so a response was much slower then it otherwise might have been.

As I said, I am sure this is not what they planned. The card should probably never have been mentioned until today.

My problem with what you are saying is the idea that Bioware never intended to offer the card to anyone but those who purchases the CE. That's crazy. Say they had announced that in December. Since access to the network without the card costs 1200 MS points, everyone would have rushed out to buy the CE.

As Chris said at the time, the marketing was not clear. For whatever reason, the thing ended up listed as a "limited edition" card. Since they never really advertised the contents of the regular edition, no one knew it came with the card.

We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess   I don't begrudge the fact that everyone is getting the Cerberus Network card I just think that the way that Bioware advertised it as a CE exclusive was deceptive and disingenous.  While companies are treated as persons in law they are not people and thus have no morals or ethics, sadly.  The fact that threads like this one are still appearing days before release implies that confusion still exists on the issue.  I can only hope that in the future Bioware will do a better job with their advertising and community relations.

Modifié par laertus, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:26 .

[the_devils_aid]

laertus wrote...

While my initial comment was a supposition it was by no means ridiculous. Your only response to my comment was an opposing supposition. This is and was a serious mis-step by BioWare that needs a response from someone other than Chris Priestly on why they mistakenly advertised the card as a CE-only bonus.

think for a second. they gave Shale free with ever new copy, as well as the armor. what in gods name did you think would happen with ME2

[Firndeloth]

It's entirely possible that there was in itially confusion over the "card," which may indeed have been a unique item for the CE: a nice little Cerberus identification card that also has your access code on it. They could well have intended to give all versions access to the DLC and the Cerberus Network, but confusion over the card issue and "fan rumblings" made them rethink how well they had, up to that point, explained things. Probably not, actually, but its possible. The point is, until recently the DLC information was unclear and the Cerberus Network seemed to truly be exclusive to the collectors edition ... but there wasn't any clear intimation that DLC was to be exclusive to the Cerberus Network early on. It was just a mysterious thing. Sure, they could have advertised things better ... but they wanted to surprise people by releasing information about the game in chunks up until the moment it was sold. This is how most releases go. I don't feel especially hard-done to by the advertising or information Bioware has provided. People are just nervous and/or impatient, and getting cranky. You shouldn't necessarily blame Bioware.



Besides, you can't get much clearer than the most recent release:



"'The Cerberus Network' is a conduit for players to receive bonus content as well as daily messages and news on upcoming releases for Mass Effect 2 for no extra charge. For players who do not buy the game new, 'The Cerberus Network' can be unlocked through a one-time, in-game purchase of a new activation code*."



Free DLC. Activation codes for everyone. Does it really matter what various sources say about the "Card" which might be a unique item? Everyone still gets a code, and there might be a lot less confusion than some fans seem to assume.

[Firndeloth]

Besides, the only *confirmed* benefits of the Cerberus Network when it was first revealed as a Collectors Edition exclusive were the Collector items. There were some vague messages about additional content, but nothing clear. That's why I didn't buy it; I assumed that if the weapons/armor weren't important to me and neither was the art book or soundtrack, then there were no advantages to the CE. I don't think its fair to call it disingenuous when CE purchasers are still getting all of the explicitly promised exclusives. I think it would be even more deceitful to only inform us the week before release that DLC after day one would need to be purchased (even in a one time subscription) by everyone except CE purchasers. Because only telling us after so many people have pre-ordered that non CE users won't get the touted Mako-remake without paying is a little more severe to my mind then not explicitly telling CE users that the Cerberus Network itself isn't an exclusive, but rather just the items they *were* explicitly promised.

The Cerberus Network itself never seemed like an exclusive service as it sounded just like the Dragon Age in-game DLC server and Bioware stated that they wanted to release frequent DLC much as they were planning with Dragon Age.

Modifié par Firndeloth, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:50 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Yes. I will not argue that there wasn't confusion, but I don't feel the Bioware was intentionally deceiving customer. It may be another of these situations where the left and doesn't know what the right had is doing, as it were.

[easternswordman]

Abundantly explained.

[Jesse Houston]

Zomg_A_Chicken wrote...

I believe every new copy of ME2 will come with the card no matter what the edition is

That be the plan good sirs and madams.