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[rsperegrin1]

Traynor - oh my gosh is she cute, they simply do not get any cuter than her.  And that nerdy intellectual side just turns your crank (someone Shepard does not try for)


Miranda - no comments needed.  Brains, beauty, more beauty and the overly confident SULTRY sex appeal is too much too captivating.  No wonder everyone is in lover with her (someone Shepard never gets)


Jack - is gonna rock your world and who wouldn't want there world rocked by Jack.  Her intense passion... WOW! coupled by that sincere, striking attractiveness, she defines a sexy women  (an on and off affair for Shepard)


Liara - sophistication, control, she knows what she’s doing and we all want a women to do just that.  Coupled with beauty makes her an excellent choice AS A girl friend for Shepard (a previous short term relationship for Shepard)

Tali - INCREDIABLE not sure how to describe Tali for Shepard outside of someone Shepard would regret losing (a previous long term relationship for Shepard)


But.... and its what comes after the but that is important...  is Ashley


Ashley is the perfect side kick, partner and wife for Shepard.    She has to be sarcastic and a little short changed on the compassionate communication, she is a soldier just like Shepherd.  She has to be a little on the tough side, she can’t have the super strong female traits that the other characters bolster.  If she did, she would not be a Spectre or a soldier.  With all that, is the quintessential staple of a beautifully woman and one with family values. (Shepard’s life long mate - his wife)


No matter how strong the female character traits are in the other girls, and appealing as they are in there unique way, Ashley is the perfect fit for Shepard.  Perfect!  She has it all wrapped up in one package that mirrors Shepherd.  Do you not agree? Why or why not?

Modifié par rsperegrin1, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:48 .

[SwobyJ]

I prefer ME1 Ashley a lot over ME3 Ashley, aside from a few lines that ME3 Ash has.

[wolfhowwl]

The fanbase is infested with disgusting xenophiles.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 24 octobre 2013 - 06:12 .

[Dubozz]

Chris L'Etoile left Bioware. Ashley lost her character.

[NeonFlux117]

Ashley is hot. I mean she just changed in ME3. If you romance her in ME1 it was really, really disconcerting with the way she talks to Shepard and acts in ME3, it's just mean. I can't really explain it.

Even from a military chain or command point of view her attitude on Mars is way, way, way out of line. Let alone if She's suppose to be in love with you. It happens even if you don't "cheat" in ME2. She's just a b!tch. I wanted to yell at her and tell her to get of the rag already and take a midol and chill.

She like "I think you're a cerbrus sleeper agent and don't trust you", and then she's like "your a husk basically". And she just gives you attitude after attitude. And then when you visit her in the hospital it's still- Ashley Williams... Super B!tch.

And then, if you have fooled around in ME2 she gets p!ssed off big time. Even tho, she's the one that abandoned you on horizon!!!

She's just so, so mean and aggressive. But, damn tho it does make her hot as hell.

I like Ash. But damn, She be mean b!tch in ME3.

I don't think she'd be a good wife tho, to hot and cold she'd drive you nuts. Tali or Liara are wife material.

Plus even when you do romance her she still flirts with James (citadel DLC)... Red Flag. But I like her. She's just a bit, crazy. But the crazy ones are the best in the sack, so.... Yeah.

[SwobyJ]

I think they greatly mishandled the VSs, but while Kaidan imo was overall improved, Ashley was not.

Which is weird, because structurally, they're almost identical. It's all the script and acting and visual models (wow it helps so much to mod her face into a ME1-looking one, I imagine!).

I think Bioware wanted to communicate a specific message with the VSs in ME3, but for Ashley, you had to try hard to notice it around all the annoying static.

[NeonFlux117]

SwobyJ wrote...

I think they greatly mishandled the VSs, but while Kaidan imo was overall improved, Ashley was not.

Which is weird, because structurally, they're almost identical. It's all the script and acting and visual models (wow it helps so much to mod her face into a ME1-looking one, I imagine!).

I think Bioware wanted to communicate a specific message with the VSs in ME3, but for Ashley, you had to try hard to notice it around all the annoying static.

"BioWare wanted to communicate a specific message with VSs in ME3"


So, what was the message??? 

[SwobyJ]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

I think they greatly mishandled the VSs, but while Kaidan imo was overall improved, Ashley was not.

Which is weird, because structurally, they're almost identical. It's all the script and acting and visual models (wow it helps so much to mod her face into a ME1-looking one, I imagine!).

I think Bioware wanted to communicate a specific message with the VSs in ME3, but for Ashley, you had to try hard to notice it around all the annoying static.

"BioWare wanted to communicate a specific message with VSs in ME3"


So, what was the message??? 

Not gonna talk about this here.

[Zan51]

Didn't like Ash at all, I found her attitudes to my aliens friends and crew mates in ME1 annoying in the extreme. I never once took her out with me in um... 6/7 play throughs of ME1. Also I play Fem Shep, being female, so she never interested me that way either. Add in I am usually a Soldier, and I don't need her along with me, I want those with skills I lack.
Same goes with any LI, I want a contrast in a LI, not a narcissistic male version of me... I was never interested in the token males like Jacob, or that muscle bound tattooed guy from the start of ME3 who lived in the hangar with Steve - can't even remember his name..

[Farangbaa]

Cause Ashley is a religious xenofobe that, to top all that off, recites poetry.

And she calls you Skipper. Da f...

[RatThing]

I rate Ash very high, at least in the first game but not necessary because of her looks. I think here she is a very interesting character and really fleshed out. You can see it in every threat that it's hard to be indifferent about her. So she's a worthy asset in the game.
I personally liked that she had these tough lines and at the same time was into poems. I really liked her poems, makes me almost want to start reading poetry. And I think she brings a necessary perspective into the game. The first game was all about humanity's place in the galactic community. The question whether humanity should expect to stand on its own and whether humans should trust aliens completely is absolutely necessary. No need to agree with her all the time, but no need to act like those questions are completely illogical. (It's quite the opposite if you see the counsil's history with the Quarians and the Krogans for example).
In the third game they improved her looks, yeah, but only that. Someone once wrote that they wrote her more for their haters than for their fans here and I almost get the feeling there's some truth in it. How else would you explain this one line during the Rannoch arc, the one about rather shooting a tin can than a person. "I'm right. right? fine I shut up" (Yeah Bioware, she's right! And I DON'T want her to shut up.)  How else would you explain making her a boozer. Or this one scene during the Citadel party where everyone screwed with her about protecting Udina. I wanted to step in and slap the sh*t out of Joker there, brittle bone or not. (do you get this scene with Kaidan as well?).
Also her writer left. The funny thing is, I didn't care much for anything else Chris L'etoile wrote. (EDI, the Geth, Thane, they could all disappear if you ask me.)

And if it's really just the looks that matters, for me there would be no contest at all. Default Femshep from ME3 would win by a landslide.
 

Modifié par RatThing, 24 octobre 2013 - 07:57 .

[RogueBot]

ME1 Ashley is my favorite female character. Yeah, she was prejudiced, but a good fictional character shouldn't be without flaws. It's not like I'm looking for my soul mate in a video game.

[Dieb]

Because she wears heavy armor in combat, Shepard.

P.S.: As far as it goes for a virtual person, she's incredibly hot and reads books. So don't ask me.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 24 octobre 2013 - 09:27 .

[Astartes Marine]

SwobyJ wrote...
I prefer ME1 Ashley a lot over ME3 Ashley, aside from a few lines that ME3 Ash has.

^^^  Pretty much this.  ME1 Ashley I could have stuck with, ME3 Ashley makes me regret sacrificing Kaidan.

[Farangbaa]

Astartes Marine wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
I prefer ME1 Ashley a lot over ME3 Ashley, aside from a few lines that ME3 Ash has.

^^^  Pretty much this.  ME1 Ashley I could have stuck with, ME3 Ashley makes me regret sacrificing Kaidan.

ME3 makes me wish I could've sacrificed both. In fact, I think ME2 already made me think that. They are both pains in the ass after ME1

[RatThing]

Having the players perspective on horizon makes things easy. I often wonder if the writer decided to kill the VS and then let him/her be brought back by Cerberus. Would people just go along with it and trust him/her? I highly doubt that. Hell, I wouldn't go with the dead man/woman working for terrorists either.

Modifié par RatThing, 24 octobre 2013 - 10:04 .

[Dieb]

RatThing wrote...

Having the players perspective on horizon makes things easy. I often wonder if the writer decided to kill the VS and then let him/her be brought back by Cerberus. Would people just go along with it and trust him/her? I highly doubt that. Hell, I wouldn't go with the dead man working for terrorists either.

I have to say, that's an interesting comparison. Not that I had any problems with their "bickering" in the first place, but I never managed to explain to others why their POV remains fairly reasonable in my opinion.

[PwrdOff]

Well just by design, Ashley is a bit plain and unremarkable so she doesn't stand out as much as some of the other squaddies, but you did need to have someone like that on the squad to contrast with the more outlandish personalities. What really holds her back is that all of her most notable moments in the series involve her being really ****y and unpleasant for seemingly no reason, which ends up getting really irritating. Also, the attempt to sex her up in ME3 was a bit of a dud, there's just something off about her face, and the fact that she's wearing the exactly outfit she mocked on the Citadel in ME1 doesn't do her any favors either. Guess Shepard did end up buying her dinner after all...

[crimzontearz]

Uhm....let's see, after all we went through in ME 1 INCLUDING but not limited to mutiny, she called me a Cerberus terrorist in ME2 in the face of the fact that I showed up on horizon with Garrus and Mordin, had my specter status reinstated, had Anderson's blessing AND Hakett covering my butt

So she is not only blind but dumb and a poor friend who continues her path of idiocy in ME3

yeah....no thanks

[Mathias]

1. Ashley isn't going to appeal to players who only look at characters 1 dimensionally. If you're the type that dislikes her because "She's a religious xenophobe!" then I'm sorry but you don't understand her or people in general.

2. She's very opinionated and doesn't just go with everything Shepard says like everyone else does. This makes her a very appealing character to me, but others are too used to having the rest of the squad love and agree with their Shepard constantly. This makes Ashley stand out more. In all honesty she's one of the more intelligent people in the game. She was completely right to be cautious. Let's not forget just how close Miranda came to installing a control chip in Shepard.

crimzontearz wrote...

So she is not only blind but dumb and a poor friend who continues her path of idiocy in ME3
 

Exercising caution would be an example of someone who is not blind and dumb.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 24 octobre 2013 - 12:27 .

[shockky]

ME1 Ashley is cool. ME2 Ashley is retarded. ME3 Ashley looks like a man tucking his junk in between his legs.

[Dieb]

crimzontearz wrote...

Uhm....let's see, after all we went through in ME 1 INCLUDING but not limited to mutiny, she called me a Cerberus terrorist in ME2 in the face of the fact that I showed up on horizon with Garrus and Mordin, had my specter status reinstated, had Anderson's blessing AND Hakett covering my butt

So she is not only blind but dumb and a poor friend who continues her path of idiocy in ME3

yeah....no thanks

The whole premise is her doubting Shepard even is  the Shepard who established all this trust between them. Listen to the Commander talk during the encounter, personally I would trust him even less after that. But that's another story.

It's not like the Normandy isn't painted in flashy Cerberus fan-casemod, and the Spectre thing is obviously something that impresses people in a weary, intimidating way. I don't see how it's related.

Anderson blantantly mistrusts Shepard's connections and lies to him regarding the VS because of it. At best, he thinks Shep's being played.

Hackett is tricky, because his appearance is kind of a late addition with the Arrival DLC. Many players already destroyed the Collector Base and gave TIM the finger, so it doesn't seem so far fetched usually.

I'm not trying to force you into liking a character I'm fond of, but I'm just surprised how I appear to be the only one who actually appreciated the relationship twist. Especially the back-and-forth during the third game keeps it exciting. Ten times better than "let's stay besties and/or happy lovers with zero conflict for the entire game" if you ask me.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 24 octobre 2013 - 12:33 .