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[MassivelyEffective0730]

crimzontearz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I need another nuke

seconded

Ashley's not worth a nuke. She's barely worth a bullet.

I'd shoot her on the Citadel if I didn't feel like I was wasting ammunition.

[RZIBARA]

knucks360 wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I doubt them acting like people is what made players like them more. These are two characters who are always good to the pc, never question him/her, never argue, totally devoted and ready to follow the pc anywhere and everywhere. Plus Garrus got that sexy voice. I think those are the real reasons they became so popular.

Right, so the argument about the geth in ME1, the chance of losing Tali's loyalty by doing something wrong, and the subsequent loyalty confrontation with Legion just never happened, I presume?

Also, you can argue with Garrus about methods of justice a fair bit.

when does legion say anything to challenge shepherd? tali doesnt challenge, she whines.

It whines when you don't let him upload the reaper code.

it doesnt whine, it actually attacks you. When you are about to have Tali's entire race exterminated, what does she do? cry and jump off a cliff. lol

[RZIBARA]

knucks360 wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

it doesnt whine, it actually attacks you. When you are about to have Tali's entire race exterminated, what does she do? cry and jump off a cliff. lol

It whines when you're making the decision. And yeah,if the human race just got exterminated,you wouldn't be saying "oh that's cool" either,Ashley probably would have offed herself too,which I would have welcomed.

calm your shit there bub, i agree with what legion does, what im laughing about is how tali doesnt even bother to try to stop shepard.

L2english

Also, yeah ashley probably wouldve attempted to stop shepard, not throw herself off a cliff

Modifié par RZIBARA, 26 octobre 2013 - 05:10 .

[rekn2]

knucks360 wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I doubt them acting like people is what made players like them more. These are two characters who are always good to the pc, never question him/her, never argue, totally devoted and ready to follow the pc anywhere and everywhere. Plus Garrus got that sexy voice. I think those are the real reasons they became so popular.

Right, so the argument about the geth in ME1, the chance of losing Tali's loyalty by doing something wrong, and the subsequent loyalty confrontation with Legion just never happened, I presume?

Also, you can argue with Garrus about methods of justice a fair bit.

when does legion say anything to challenge shepherd? tali doesnt challenge, she whines.

It whines when you don't let him upload the reaper code.

whine is not the same as challenge, the ast majority of legions story rests on the player, not legion or the geth.


and massviely, i dont think drive is the same as my description of miranda...ashley has, no, had drive but shes still a follower. ill concede that, technically, so is miranda but i think both you and i know that if we had to leave miranda in control of operations she could handle it. miranda only concedes to shep AFTER he or she proves themselves.

AFTER is a huge part of it!

[rekn2]

RZIBARA wrote...

knucks360 wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

it doesnt whine, it actually attacks you. When you are about to have Tali's entire race exterminated, what does she do? cry and jump off a cliff. lol

It whines when you're making the decision. And yeah,if the human race just got exterminated,you wouldn't be saying "oh that's cool" either,Ashley probably would have offed herself too,which I would have welcomed.

calm your shit there bub, i agree with what legion does, what im laughing about is how tali doesnt even bother to try to stop shepard.

L2english

Also, yeah ashley probably wouldve attempted to stop shepard, not throw herself off a cliff

ashley tried to stop shep in that council scene. i dont think she wouldve hessitated, rightfully so, if humanity was in that possition

[Obadiah]

RZIBARA wrote...
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Also, yeah ashley probably wouldve attempted to stop shepard, not throw herself off a cliff

Ashley survived a Geth colony attack and her whole squad getting killed on Eden Prime, then went back to fight with Shepard the first chance she got, so, yeah, don't think she'd whine so much as try to do something.

[rekn2]

its contrived

[Obadiah]

knucks360 wrote...
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Like how she attempted to stop Shepard on the Citadel,but didn't wan't to shoot him?
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Right, cause it's a "weakness" for Ashley to hesitate and not want to shoot the person that she's fought all over the galaxy with, someone she stood by to the point she helped commit treason, and has saved her life at least three times from Geth, Collectors, and a Cerberus EVA bot.

What an idiot she is for not shooting Shepard, who, as it turns out once again is RIGHT about the people she's guarding.

Modifié par Obadiah, 26 octobre 2013 - 05:49 .

[Br3admax]

knucks360 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

knucks360 wrote...
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Like how she attempted to stop Shepard on the Citadel,but didn't wan't to shoot him?
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Right, cause it's a "weakness" for Ashley to hesitate and not want to shoot the person that she's fought all over the galaxy with, someone she stood by to the point she helped commit treason, and has saved her life at least three times from Geth, Collectors, and a Cerberus EVA bot.

Sure,she's incredibely loyal,so is most if not all of Shepards crew. Not really the point though,the person I was arguing with claimed that Ashley would have tried to stop Shepard from destroying humanity,should he had chosen to do so,not that we would know for sure though,and not that it even matters,because it's the writers who decide what they all do anyway.

Wut?

[RZIBARA]

knucks360 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

knucks360 wrote...
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Like how she attempted to stop Shepard on the Citadel,but didn't wan't to shoot him?
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Right, cause it's a "weakness" for Ashley to hesitate and not want to shoot the person that she's fought all over the galaxy with, someone she stood by to the point she helped commit treason, and has saved her life at least three times from Geth, Collectors, and a Cerberus EVA bot.

Sure,she's incredibely loyal,so is most if not all of Shepards crew. Not really the point though,the person I was arguing with claimed that Ashley would have tried to stop Shepard from destroying humanity,should he had chosen to do so,not that we would know for sure though,and not that it even matters,because it's the writers who decide what they all do anyway.

my point is your making an argument against me claiming something about a character that I like when i didnt mention her in my argument, because you couldnt come up with a solid argument against Tali not standing against Shepard. So either make a proper argument, or ill put you in your damn place.

[RZIBARA]

Br3ad wrote...

knucks360 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

knucks360 wrote...
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Like how she attempted to stop Shepard on the Citadel,but didn't wan't to shoot him?
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Right, cause it's a "weakness" for Ashley to hesitate and not want to shoot the person that she's fought all over the galaxy with, someone she stood by to the point she helped commit treason, and has saved her life at least three times from Geth, Collectors, and a Cerberus EVA bot.

Sure,she's incredibely loyal,so is most if not all of Shepards crew. Not really the point though,the person I was arguing with claimed that Ashley would have tried to stop Shepard from destroying humanity,should he had chosen to do so,not that we would know for sure though,and not that it even matters,because it's the writers who decide what they all do anyway.

Wut?

he's just pulling shit out of his ass because he cant come up with a real argument

[RatThing]

rekn2 wrote...

i think a lot of non miranda lovers (and actually a lot of pro miranda players) fail to realize is why they are attracted (or unattracted) to miranda in the first place...miranda is a strong willed woman who has control over her own life. thats appealing to a lot of people. i see most pro mirandas in their own leadership position, they usually disdain "hangers-on" type women or "damsels in distress". i also see miranda haters or people who just dont like her seem to love the opposite, like tali or liara.

experience and stability can be sexy for some and scary for others. it usually boils down to how much control you have over your life, your educational/mental capacity and your personality type.

I'm not a hater (I'm indifferent about her), but the reason why I'm not attracted to Miranda is because I think she absolutely lacks profile or character. I couldn't tell any characteristic traits that would stand out. Most of the things she talks about are trivial and meaningless. You also can't really tell what's her position on most things is, on Aliens, the Alliance, AI's, anything. Even her position on Cerberus. Of course, first she's clearly pro but when you ask her why she's so loyal she doesn't talk about the Cerberus agenda and how she believes in it. Nah, she talks about her sister. And then she resigns and the exact reasons for that are left unclear.
And honestly I believe this is one main reason why so many people like her. She's like a white sheet of paper where you can write in anything you like and she comes in a nice packaging. You can have a Miranda who's really a good person but ended up with bad people and you're the big hero who opens her eyes and saves the poor girl from them. Nothing would invalidate it. You can have a Miranda as an intelligent human centric mastermind, who really believes in Cerberus ideals and only left them because they became indoctrinated. Nothing would invalidate that either. You can even have her ending up in the Alliance. There's an ending slide that suggests that she ends up working for them. Anything goes with her. To be honest, that rather makes her pretty boring for me as i like fleshed out character.
Also,  about that "strong woman" thing. If anything, my first impression of her was that of a stubborn teen in adolescence. ("I'm not looking for a friend"). How clever is it anyways to tell the person who's to become your commanding officer right away that you wanted him to become some mindless zombie.
 

Modifié par RatThing, 26 octobre 2013 - 06:04 .

[Obadiah]

This damn page is in need of another Ashley pic:



(Looks down at the next post):
Heeey...

Modifié par Obadiah, 26 octobre 2013 - 06:15 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Obadiah wrote...

This damn page is in need of another Ashley pic:

Am I doing it right?

[RZIBARA]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

This damn page is in need of another Ashley pic:

Am I doing it right?

thats not from the games

fail

[spirosz]

Yeah, I never have Ashley alive in my playthroughs - though I do enjoy her. Trainwreck in ME3.

[RZIBARA]

 

[Barquiel]

rekn2 wrote...

i think a lot of non miranda lovers (and actually a lot of pro miranda players) fail to realize is why they are attracted (or unattracted) to miranda in the first place...miranda is a strong willed woman who has control over her own life. thats appealing to a lot of people. i see most pro mirandas in their own leadership position, they usually disdain "hangers-on" type women or "damsels in distress". i also see miranda haters or people who just dont like her seem to love the opposite, like tali or liara.

experience and stability can be sexy for some and scary for others. it usually boils down to how much control you have over your life, your educational/mental capacity and your personality type.

I have mixed feelings about Miranda and dislike Ashley...and I don't see too many similarities between them. They both wear "sexy" outfits, that's all.