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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Uh...BULL****

Garrus, Tali, Liara and Wrex (and more, joker, chakwas and even Adams in ME3) have no issues believing Shepard and trusting him in spite of the paintjob of the Normandy.

Sure Anderson is wary of Cerberus but he backs Shepard immediately and defends him with the council. The council reinstates him as a spectre, which is not to be taken as an intimidating thing but more that he is, even in their eyes, still trustworthy enough.

Hackett is NOT a tricky thing, he specifically orders the fleet NOT to get in Shepard's way, yes, he has him covered.

So, when push came to shove, when it was time for friends to show support and trust the old crew, ALL THE OLD CREW is there....Ashley is not. And her streak of idiocy continues un ME3.

Sorry, that is just not something I will condone.

Of course some will say the same about Liara and her little Faux Pas in ME2...BUT she redeems herself in LOTSB, I am sure it is not enough for some but had Ashley had something like LOTSB I would be less harsh on her. It also does not help at ALL that Bioware did this because "they wanted to track the cheaters"...translation, they wanted to push is in the arms of someone else

And if Miranda had installed that control chip and Shepard went rogue, then what? Let's say after Sur'kesh TIM said to himself "You know what, I can't keep having him interfer with my plans. Intiate order 84." Shepard is then controlled by TIM and ordered to kill every key member of the Normandy one by one. Who'd be able to stop him?

Except that if Shepard bring either Garrus or Liara (or both) along that arguement would make no sense. Or does the VS believe that Liara and Garrus are all in on the big evil Cerberus conspiracy?

How would it not make sense? The chip in his brain activates, Shepard gets outta bed/shower/whaterver, casually walks into people's rooms and kills them one by one. Or maybe he'd sabotage the Normandy, destroy all escape pods but one and ditches the ship. Shepard doesn't have two squadmates following him at all times you know.

Then why would he not have killed Liara and Garrus before confronting the council during the coup? Why bring them along and create needless risk to himself and his objective? As he would not only have to deal with the VS, but also 2 highly competent individuals right behind him with guns/biotics ready.

[Anthadlas]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Uh...BULL****

Garrus, Tali, Liara and Wrex (and more, joker, chakwas and even Adams in ME3) have no issues believing Shepard and trusting him in spite of the paintjob of the Normandy.

Sure Anderson is wary of Cerberus but he backs Shepard immediately and defends him with the council. The council reinstates him as a spectre, which is not to be taken as an intimidating thing but more that he is, even in their eyes, still trustworthy enough.

Hackett is NOT a tricky thing, he specifically orders the fleet NOT to get in Shepard's way, yes, he has him covered.

So, when push came to shove, when it was time for friends to show support and trust the old crew, ALL THE OLD CREW is there....Ashley is not. And her streak of idiocy continues un ME3.

Sorry, that is just not something I will condone.

Of course some will say the same about Liara and her little Faux Pas in ME2...BUT she redeems herself in LOTSB, I am sure it is not enough for some but had Ashley had something like LOTSB I would be less harsh on her. It also does not help at ALL that Bioware did this because "they wanted to track the cheaters"...translation, they wanted to push is in the arms of someone else

And if Miranda had installed that control chip and Shepard went rogue, then what? Let's say after Sur'kesh TIM said to himself "You know what, I can't keep having him interfer with my plans. Intiate order 84." Shepard is then controlled by TIM and ordered to kill every key member of the Normandy one by one. Who'd be able to stop him?

Except that if Shepard bring either Garrus or Liara (or both) along that arguement would make no sense. Or does the VS believe that Liara and Garrus are all in on the big evil Cerberus conspiracy?

How would it not make sense? The chip in his brain activates, Shepard gets outta bed/shower/whaterver, casually walks into people's rooms and kills them one by one. Or maybe he'd sabotage the Normandy, destroy all escape pods but one and ditches the ship. Shepard doesn't have two squadmates following him at all times you know.

yeah it makes sense that Cerberus would bring Shepard back to life for billions of credits and then use him to destroy all their own assets

[Mathias]

Wraith 02 wrote...

Being with Cerberus no matter who you are or what your past history is clearly means you have turned into Satan himself.

Missing the point entirely. Who you are and what your past history is wouldn't matter if Cerberus decided to have full control over your mind. I'm sure your argument holds plenty of water though. I mean if Cerberus captures Jack and tortures her into submission, given her hatred for Cerberus and who she is, there's NO WAY she'd ever work for-

oh wait...

Or... It might be possible Ash is a crazy **** who thinks any organisation not in the Alliance is totally evil as shown by her previous Xenophobia

Her hating Cerberus is not a result of Xenophobia because there are no aliens in Cerberus. In fact she states very clearly that she hates them for their extremist attitude for Humanity. Did you even pay attention at all?

[Mathias]

Lizardviking wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Uh...BULL****

Garrus, Tali, Liara and Wrex (and more, joker, chakwas and even Adams in ME3) have no issues believing Shepard and trusting him in spite of the paintjob of the Normandy.

Sure Anderson is wary of Cerberus but he backs Shepard immediately and defends him with the council. The council reinstates him as a spectre, which is not to be taken as an intimidating thing but more that he is, even in their eyes, still trustworthy enough.

Hackett is NOT a tricky thing, he specifically orders the fleet NOT to get in Shepard's way, yes, he has him covered.

So, when push came to shove, when it was time for friends to show support and trust the old crew, ALL THE OLD CREW is there....Ashley is not. And her streak of idiocy continues un ME3.

Sorry, that is just not something I will condone.

Of course some will say the same about Liara and her little Faux Pas in ME2...BUT she redeems herself in LOTSB, I am sure it is not enough for some but had Ashley had something like LOTSB I would be less harsh on her. It also does not help at ALL that Bioware did this because "they wanted to track the cheaters"...translation, they wanted to push is in the arms of someone else

And if Miranda had installed that control chip and Shepard went rogue, then what? Let's say after Sur'kesh TIM said to himself "You know what, I can't keep having him interfer with my plans. Intiate order 84." Shepard is then controlled by TIM and ordered to kill every key member of the Normandy one by one. Who'd be able to stop him?

Except that if Shepard bring either Garrus or Liara (or both) along that arguement would make no sense. Or does the VS believe that Liara and Garrus are all in on the big evil Cerberus conspiracy?

How would it not make sense? The chip in his brain activates, Shepard gets outta bed/shower/whaterver, casually walks into people's rooms and kills them one by one. Or maybe he'd sabotage the Normandy, destroy all escape pods but one and ditches the ship. Shepard doesn't have two squadmates following him at all times you know.

Then why would he not have killed Liara and Garrus before confronting the council during the coup? Why bring them along and create needless risk to himself and his objective? As he would not only have to deal with the VS, but also 2 highly competent individuals right behind him with guns/biotics ready.

Sur'kesh takes place before the coup. It really doesn't matter when anyway. I'm talking about TIM deciding to control Shepard whenever he feels is the right time.

[Mathias]

Wraith 02 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Uh...BULL****

Garrus, Tali, Liara and Wrex (and more, joker, chakwas and even Adams in ME3) have no issues believing Shepard and trusting him in spite of the paintjob of the Normandy.

Sure Anderson is wary of Cerberus but he backs Shepard immediately and defends him with the council. The council reinstates him as a spectre, which is not to be taken as an intimidating thing but more that he is, even in their eyes, still trustworthy enough.

Hackett is NOT a tricky thing, he specifically orders the fleet NOT to get in Shepard's way, yes, he has him covered.

So, when push came to shove, when it was time for friends to show support and trust the old crew, ALL THE OLD CREW is there....Ashley is not. And her streak of idiocy continues un ME3.

Sorry, that is just not something I will condone.

Of course some will say the same about Liara and her little Faux Pas in ME2...BUT she redeems herself in LOTSB, I am sure it is not enough for some but had Ashley had something like LOTSB I would be less harsh on her. It also does not help at ALL that Bioware did this because "they wanted to track the cheaters"...translation, they wanted to push is in the arms of someone else

And if Miranda had installed that control chip and Shepard went rogue, then what? Let's say after Sur'kesh TIM said to himself "You know what, I can't keep having him interfer with my plans. Intiate order 84." Shepard is then controlled by TIM and ordered to kill every key member of the Normandy one by one. Who'd be able to stop him?

Except that if Shepard bring either Garrus or Liara (or both) along that arguement would make no sense. Or does the VS believe that Liara and Garrus are all in on the big evil Cerberus conspiracy?

How would it not make sense? The chip in his brain activates, Shepard gets outta bed/shower/whaterver, casually walks into people's rooms and kills them one by one. Or maybe he'd sabotage the Normandy, destroy all escape pods but one and ditches the ship. Shepard doesn't have two squadmates following him at all times you know.

yeah it makes sense that Cerberus would bring Shepard back to life for billions of credits and then use him to destroy all their own assets

The Normandy in ME3 belonged to the Alliance by that point. Not to mention this takes place 6 months after Shepard leaves Cerberus. Did you even play the game?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Uh...BULL****

Garrus, Tali, Liara and Wrex (and more, joker, chakwas and even Adams in ME3) have no issues believing Shepard and trusting him in spite of the paintjob of the Normandy.

Sure Anderson is wary of Cerberus but he backs Shepard immediately and defends him with the council. The council reinstates him as a spectre, which is not to be taken as an intimidating thing but more that he is, even in their eyes, still trustworthy enough.

Hackett is NOT a tricky thing, he specifically orders the fleet NOT to get in Shepard's way, yes, he has him covered.

So, when push came to shove, when it was time for friends to show support and trust the old crew, ALL THE OLD CREW is there....Ashley is not. And her streak of idiocy continues un ME3.

Sorry, that is just not something I will condone.

Of course some will say the same about Liara and her little Faux Pas in ME2...BUT she redeems herself in LOTSB, I am sure it is not enough for some but had Ashley had something like LOTSB I would be less harsh on her. It also does not help at ALL that Bioware did this because "they wanted to track the cheaters"...translation, they wanted to push is in the arms of someone else

And if Miranda had installed that control chip and Shepard went rogue, then what? Let's say after Sur'kesh TIM said to himself "You know what, I can't keep having him interfer with my plans. Intiate order 84." Shepard is then controlled by TIM and ordered to kill every key member of the Normandy one by one. Who'd be able to stop him?

Except that if Shepard bring either Garrus or Liara (or both) along that arguement would make no sense. Or does the VS believe that Liara and Garrus are all in on the big evil Cerberus conspiracy?

How would it not make sense? The chip in his brain activates, Shepard gets outta bed/shower/whaterver, casually walks into people's rooms and kills them one by one. Or maybe he'd sabotage the Normandy, destroy all escape pods but one and ditches the ship. Shepard doesn't have two squadmates following him at all times you know.

Then why would he not have killed Liara and Garrus before confronting the council during the coup? Why bring them along and create needless risk to himself and his objective? As he would not only have to deal with the VS, but also 2 highly competent individuals right behind him with guns/biotics ready.

Sur'kesh takes place before the coup. It really doesn't matter when anyway. I'm talking about TIM deciding to control Shepard whenever he feels is the right time.

Why would the VS know about Sur'Kesh? And if they did, wouldn't they be aware that the Krogan female was only saved due to the efforts of Shepard and CO? And if Shepard was in any way in cahoots with Cerberus, this would have been the perfect time to sabotage the cure.

And why even bring Sur'Kesh up? The VS's trust issues are only relevant during the coup. Where as I have pointed out, the VS's trust issues are just dumb if Garrus and Liara are with Shepard. Even moreso if Udina actually have the fake footage of Shepard killing the Salarian councilor.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:01 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

StreetMagic wrote...

Dudes, dudets..

The story writing sucks. It's not the characters' faults (which is most redeeming aspect of the writing). Little of it makes sense, if you look too closely.

The main redeemable things about Mass Effect is 1) It's a sci-fi RPG (for the time being) and 2) has a variety of characters to make anyone entertained

Other than that, it sucks. Don't pay attention to the plot too much. It's a house of cards.

I know. ME3's ****ty writing makes all characters look stupid or incompetent. Liara, the VS, Miranda, TIM, The Reapers. Almost everybody gets their chance at the idiot ball.

[crimzontearz]

Hazegurl wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
Bioware stated that they would be "tracking the cheaters" and that there would be consequences and blah blah blah. What better way to push Shep into someone else's arms? Ever wonder WHY all the crew minus Ash (and Liara at first, but for different reasons and with the subsequent redemption in LOTSB) is ready to trust Shepard including Hackett and Anderson?

It smells A LOT like a forced thing

I'm sure some players cheated on their ME1 LIs out of anger but I don't see it as forced overall. Not everyone is faithful and new LIs were introduced. It is stupid for Bioware to do it based solely on wanting players to cheat but that's not how the player has to see it.

But I can only speak from my experience. My Shepard was gay and in love with Kaidan but did not (could not) romance Kaidan in 1 & 2. So he didn't (couldn't) cheat on him at all. The way I see it, Kaidan's mistrust of Shepard made him more attractive and more of a better partner for my Shepard. I admire Ash more for her mistrust of Shepard as well, she comes across as more of her own person whereas a character like Garrus seems more like a brown noser.

well you are a special case but, as I said, ALL the potential LIs from ME1 treated Shepard like dirt in ME2. Ashley in particular looks dumb doing so with not one but TWO admirals backing the person she is suspicious of. Even on a simple soldier perspective that is pretty dumb


 
And that is not even mentioning the idiocy in ME3 where she is still suspicious after Shepard told Cerberus to screw off and coated them billions of credits in assets and personnel.

Modifié par crimzontearz, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:09 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Wraith 02 wrote...

Strength for Cerberus is strength for all of Humanity.

That has never been true. Apart from indirectly saving some colonists in the Terminus systems, I can't think of a single thing Cerberus did for humanity. All they ever did besides Project Lazarus was horde money and power and use it to fund mad scientists and their dangerous experiments. 

This was actually true until they became indoctrinated and the writers tried to turn them into comic book bad guys.

They've always been comic book bad guys. ME2 did nothing but exasperate that, it should have been obvious as soon as Shepard met the 'The Illusive Man' in his shady, shadowy base. 

[Br3admax]

crimzontearz wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
Bioware stated that they would be "tracking the cheaters" and that there would be consequences and blah blah blah. What better way to push Shep into someone else's arms? Ever wonder WHY all the crew minus Ash (and Liara at first, but for different reasons and with the subsequent redemption in LOTSB) is ready to trust Shepard including Hackett and Anderson?

It smells A LOT like a forced thing

I'm sure some players cheated on their ME1 LIs out of anger but I don't see it as forced overall. Not everyone is faithful and new LIs were introduced. It is stupid for Bioware to do it based solely on wanting players to cheat but that's not how the player has to see it.

But I can only speak from my experience. My Shepard was gay and in love with Kaidan but did not (could not) romance Kaidan in 1 & 2. So he didn't (couldn't) cheat on him at all. The way I see it, Kaidan's mistrust of Shepard made him more attractive and more of a better partner for my Shepard. I admire Ash more for her mistrust of Shepard as well, she comes across as more of her own person whereas a character like Garrus seems more like a brown noser.

well you are a special case but, as I said, ALL the potential LIs from ME1 treated Shepard like dirt in ME2. Ashley in particular looks dumb doing so with not one but TWO admirals backing the person she is suspicious of. Even on a simple soldier perspective that is pretty dumb


 
And that is not even mentioning the idiocy in ME3 where she is still suspicious after Shepard told Cerberus to screw off and coated them billions of credits in assets and personnel.

But Cerberus, bruh. 

[Anthadlas]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Uh...BULL****

Garrus, Tali, Liara and Wrex (and more, joker, chakwas and even Adams in ME3) have no issues believing Shepard and trusting him in spite of the paintjob of the Normandy.

Sure Anderson is wary of Cerberus but he backs Shepard immediately and defends him with the council. The council reinstates him as a spectre, which is not to be taken as an intimidating thing but more that he is, even in their eyes, still trustworthy enough.

Hackett is NOT a tricky thing, he specifically orders the fleet NOT to get in Shepard's way, yes, he has him covered.

So, when push came to shove, when it was time for friends to show support and trust the old crew, ALL THE OLD CREW is there....Ashley is not. And her streak of idiocy continues un ME3.

Sorry, that is just not something I will condone.

Of course some will say the same about Liara and her little Faux Pas in ME2...BUT she redeems herself in LOTSB, I am sure it is not enough for some but had Ashley had something like LOTSB I would be less harsh on her. It also does not help at ALL that Bioware did this because "they wanted to track the cheaters"...translation, they wanted to push is in the arms of someone else

And if Miranda had installed that control chip and Shepard went rogue, then what? Let's say after Sur'kesh TIM said to himself "You know what, I can't keep having him interfer with my plans. Intiate order 84." Shepard is then controlled by TIM and ordered to kill every key member of the Normandy one by one. Who'd be able to stop him?

Except that if Shepard bring either Garrus or Liara (or both) along that arguement would make no sense. Or does the VS believe that Liara and Garrus are all in on the big evil Cerberus conspiracy?

How would it not make sense? The chip in his brain activates, Shepard gets outta bed/shower/whaterver, casually walks into people's rooms and kills them one by one. Or maybe he'd sabotage the Normandy, destroy all escape pods but one and ditches the ship. Shepard doesn't have two squadmates following him at all times you know.

yeah it makes sense that Cerberus would bring Shepard back to life for billions of credits and then use him to destroy all their own assets

The Normandy in ME3 belonged to the Alliance by that point. Not to mention this takes place 6 months after Shepard leaves Cerberus. Did you even play the game?

It seems you are the one entirely missing the point. Your entire arguement hinges on the fact that Shepard might have a control chip. Even if Shepard did have a control chip and was actively being controlled by Cerberus, any decent friend would stay with him, confirm if it was true and try to help him escape from their control.

Abandoning a friend and allowing their entire existance to be controlled by a corporation that you know is evil is a total dick move no matter what your stance on Cerberus is.

In conclusion, Ash is a dick who abandons her friends.

Modifié par Wraith 02, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:19 .

[Br3admax]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

This was actually true until they became indoctrinated and the writers tried to turn them into comic book bad guys.

They've always been comic book bad guys. ME2 did nothing but exasperate that, it should have been obvious as soon as Shepard met the 'The Illusive Man' in his shady, shadowy base. 

Yes because we should support cliches. 

[eyezonlyii]

Hazegurl wrote...
I'm sure some players cheated on their ME1 LIs out of anger but I don't see it as forced overall. Not everyone is faithful and new LIs were introduced. It is stupid for Bioware to do it based solely on wanting players to cheat but that's not how the player has to see it.

But I can only speak from my experience. My Shepard was gay and in love with Kaidan but did not (could not) romance Kaidan in 1 & 2. So he didn't (couldn't) cheat on him at all. The way I see it, Kaidan's mistrust of Shepard made him more attractive and more of a better partner for my Shepard. I admire Ash more for her mistrust of Shepard as well, she comes across as more of her own person whereas a character like Garrus seems more like a brown noser.

This entirely. Kaidan distrusting my Shepard made me want him all the more because I had to prove i was worth it to him. I only romanced one other person (jack) on my friend's xbox before I got ME2 for my ps3, and that was more because she was so standoffish too. What's funny to me is that the alien LI's are much more inclined to jump in the sack and trust Shep with the world than the human ones are.

[CDR David Shepard]

Wraith 02 wrote...
It seems you are the one entirely missing the point. Your entire arguement hinges on the fact that Shepard might have a control chip. Even if Shepard did have a control chip and was actively being controlled by Cerberus, any decent friend would stay with him, confirm if it was true and try to help him escape from their control.

Abandoning a friend and allowing their entire existance to be controlled by a corporation that you know is evil is a total dick move no matter what your stance on Cerberus is.

In conclusion, Ash is a dick who abandons her friends.

I think that's a very easy, on-the-surface way of looking at it.

You could be right...but I think if you look deeper...you can see another reason why she acts like this.

[Anthadlas]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...
It seems you are the one entirely missing the point. Your entire arguement hinges on the fact that Shepard might have a control chip. Even if Shepard did have a control chip and was actively being controlled by Cerberus, any decent friend would stay with him, confirm if it was true and try to help him escape from their control.

Abandoning a friend and allowing their entire existance to be controlled by a corporation that you know is evil is a total dick move no matter what your stance on Cerberus is.

In conclusion, Ash is a dick who abandons her friends.

I think that's a very easy, on-the-surface way of looking at it.

You could be right...but I think if you look deeper...you can see another reason why she acts like this.

Elaborate

[conjmk]

Different strokes for different folks.

Miranda is really the perfect girl for straight male Shep. IMO

Modifié par conjmk, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:31 .

[CDR David Shepard]

Wraith 02 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...
It seems you are the one entirely missing the point. Your entire arguement hinges on the fact that Shepard might have a control chip. Even if Shepard did have a control chip and was actively being controlled by Cerberus, any decent friend would stay with him, confirm if it was true and try to help him escape from their control.

Abandoning a friend and allowing their entire existance to be controlled by a corporation that you know is evil is a total dick move no matter what your stance on Cerberus is.

In conclusion, Ash is a dick who abandons her friends.

I think that's a very easy, on-the-surface way of looking at it.

You could be right...but I think if you look deeper...you can see another reason why she acts like this.

Elaborate

With her family history...she has a deep rooted core for being so pro-alliance.
She's not just following in the footsteps of her family...she has the weight of her family's "shame" on her shoulders...and is trying so desperately to redeem their name.
In ME1...she flat out says she wanted to die to redeem them.
This makes her pro-alliance stance something very hard to break.

It's not really her abandoning her friends...it's her sticking with the alliance...not necessarily because she wants to...but because she "needs" to.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:38 .

[Anthadlas]

I can understand Ash mistrusting Shepard in ME2 when he is actively working for Cerberus.
But in ME3, Ash witnesses Anderson reinstating Shepard into the Alliance, Being rescued by a fully Alliance crew, Going to Mars and slaughtering hundreds of Cerberus troops, Having an arguement with the Illusive Man's Hologram explaining why the hate one another and then saving her life from a Cerberus synthetic that tried to kill her.

Yet still she still points a gun at his head thinking he is a part of Cerberus whilst trying to save the council, even after explaining everything to her in the hospital. I cannot bring myself to like someone who is blatantly that dumb

[eyezonlyii]

Does anyone on this board have someone they don't trust? what did this person do? because whatever it was, i'm pretty sure it's nowhere near being dead for two years and then suddenly reappearing while working for an organization you actively helped take down together, because said org was doing some crazy/illegal experiments.

So for those who have a person who they distrust for whatever reason, i think we can cut ash a bit of a break...

[wright1978]

Personally for me Miranda was my Shep's perfect match. While i felt Ashley was an interesting character, her views & loyalties are often out of step with those of my Sheps, so when she survives Virmire, only the history of what they went through in ME1 forces me to re-integrate her into the crew.

[CDR David Shepard]

Wraith 02 wrote...

I can understand Ash mistrusting Shepard in ME2 when he is actively working for Cerberus.
But in ME3, Ash witnesses Anderson reinstating Shepard into the Alliance, Being rescued by a fully Alliance crew, Going to Mars and slaughtering hundreds of Cerberus troops, Having an arguement with the Illusive Man's Hologram explaining why the hate one another and then saving her life from a Cerberus synthetic that tried to kill her.

Yet still she still points a gun at his head thinking he is a part of Cerberus whilst trying to save the council, even after explaining everything to her in the hospital. I cannot bring myself to like someone who is blatantly that dumb

Yeah, I'll admit that I wish that part was written differently.

Though if I want to look at it and try to make sense of it...it's actually pretty easy to.

It's simply a case of bad timing.

She confronts him on horizon...they don't talk much. She finds out he is working with Cerberus.

They "meet" back up during the invasion of earth...thrown together on a mission because of the invasion.
They go to mars...where Cerberus is attacking. Ashley get's a lot of things off her chest that have probably been on her mind since horizon.
At one point...she even says she's just thinking out loud.
Through dialogue...Shepard can calm her mind and fears on mars.
(side note: Cerberus are "monsters"...so having their agents kill each other to reach certain goals is something nobody puts past them...I would guess)

She gets injured. Stays at the Citadel through all that.

Then Cerberus attacks. While she is saving the council. You show up.

It's just simply bad timing.


Yes, I really wish they would have wrote it better...and made her more trusting. I would even go as far as taking out any tension during the Coup...and just have her and Shepard work together right from the start of meeting up at that point.

However, this is how it was written...and I don't think it takes any "suspending disbelief" to view it the way I do.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 24 octobre 2013 - 05:53 .

[Tron Mega]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Ashley is hot. I mean she just changed in ME3. If you romance her in ME1 it was really, really disconcerting with the way she talks to Shepard and acts in ME3, it's just mean. I can't really explain it.

Even from a military chain or command point of view her attitude on Mars is way, way, way out of line. Let alone if She's suppose to be in love with you. It happens even if you don't "cheat" in ME2. She's just a b!tch. I wanted to yell at her and tell her to get of the rag already and take a midol and chill.

She like "I think you're a cerbrus sleeper agent and don't trust you", and then she's like "your a husk basically". And she just gives you attitude after attitude. And then when you visit her in the hospital it's still- Ashley Williams... Super B!tch.

And then, if you have fooled around in ME2 she gets p!ssed off big time. Even tho, she's the one that abandoned you on horizon!!!

She's just so, so mean and aggressive. But, damn tho it does make her hot as hell.

I like Ash. But damn, She be mean b!tch in ME3.

I don't think she'd be a good wife tho, to hot and cold she'd drive you nuts. Tali or Liara are wife material.

Plus even when you do romance her she still flirts with James (citadel DLC)... Red Flag. But I like her. She's just a bit, crazy. But the crazy ones are the best in the sack, so.... Yeah.

...please, continue.