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[SNascimento]

 We all know by now that ME2's squadmates received the short(est) ending of the stick in Mass Effect 3. That's nothing knew. So it scares me that I could still be surprised of how much... disrepect? Lack of consideration? Laziness? I don't know  the word to use to describe what the responsibles for the game showed in that aspect of the trilogy, but it was, and still is, sad.

Anyway, what happened is that for the first time I romanced Thane. I didn't plan to, but playing ME2 it seens very natural that that particular femshep would be interested in getting closer to the dying drell. And everything went well.

And then ME3 came. I knew it was going to be bad, but my god I was not prepared. It's like the game almsot didn't acknowledge he was the character my femshep romanced, and I don't know if it was a bug or not, but I didn't even got the achievement for rekindling a romance! Just shameful!

And people think the ending was the main problem with ME3? Oh no, if you cared for the wrong people, this is the main problem right here. And just to be clear, by this, I mean the lack of work put into ME2 characters, it has nothing to do with romance. They were totally sidelined in ME3, having small cameos that hurted them as characters and your overall enjoyment of the game. You can't make a game like ME2 that the main purpose is to make you care about characters and events and in the next game say: "You liked them? To bad!"

Modifié par SNascimento, 24 octobre 2013 - 02:35 .

[Wulfram]

While the handling of some romances sucked, the game wasn't in the end about the romances. It was about defeating the reapers.

[Dieb]

Well, I obviously like Thane, but as a HSM who can't play immersive games as the opposite gender, I have never romanced him.

The real stupidity here is making him availible for romance in the first place; even more so, create his face with the intention to look attractive enough to be desireable - yet the major part of his character arc is his undying (sike) love for his deceased wife and the regret about not having spent enough time with his family.

And here comes Shepard!

Modifié par Baelrahn, 24 octobre 2013 - 01:07 .

[SNascimento]

Wulfram wrote...

While the handling of some romances sucked, the game wasn't in the end about the romances. It was about defeating the reapers.

I might have give the wrong idea, I will even edit the op to fix that, but what I'm saying here has nothing to do with romance. This is just a particular case that illustrates the lack of care given to ME2's squadmates. And that is the problem.

[Bizantura]

There just to many npc's to get involved with romantically. In the next game, if Bioware learned anything, a lot of us can moan there are to few.

[crimzontearz]

The devs flat out say they "forgot" about him the first time around

Oh and do not play Citadel if you romanced him, it is only going to ****** you off

[Farangbaa]

@OP

Citadel DLC fixes a lot of the disregard for certain characters. Not all, but a lot.

You get to see Miranda in a dress... that alone is pretty much worth the DLC

[Mcfly616]

You're upset your time wasn't as long as you wanted it to be.....even though you knowingly chose to romance a terminally ill character?



Your point is moot in this instance.

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz wrote...

Oh and do not play Citadel if you romanced him, it is only going to ****** you off

Yeah right....


Thane is easily one of my least favorite characters, and that scene in the Citadel still had me all choked up. So well done. OP, if you're a die-hard Thane fan, play Citadel.

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Oh and do not play Citadel if you romanced him, it is only going to ****** you off

Yeah right....


Thane is easily one of my least favorite characters, and that scene in the Citadel still had me all choked up. So well done. OP, if you're a die-hard Thane fan, play Citadel.

uh, I am not a diehard Thane fan, but I lingered in the Thane support thread for a while to show support....diehard Thane fans did not seem pleased

[jtav]

Citadel fixed my problem with Thane (and yes I romanced him). It made the romance valid, with both of them affirming that they loved each other and tying it into the plot in a beautiful way I don't spoil. It doesn't grant the achievement, but he did take the LI spot in flashback. Citadel turns an afterthought into a beautiful, bittersweet romance.

[DineBoo]

I'm friends with a lot of Thane fans. And most of them were severely dissspointed with what Thane got in the Citadel DLC. Remember, while everyone else could have a grand old time, they get a somber memorial scene. Something they feel should have been in the vanilla game in the first place.

So no, they weren't too happy. And I can't blame them. I got to tango with Garrus, and have a bunch of fun times with others in the DLC . Yet Thane fans, and even Jacob fans, were supposed to be happy with something that should have already been in the game? Nope.

And regardless of Thane dying, his character was still poorly treated. I expected him to die of his disease, not at the end of a troll ninja's sword. And nothing excuses what they did with Jacob either. Miranda and Jack fans at least got to spend some meaningful time with them in the final dlc.

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Oh and do not play Citadel if you romanced him, it is only going to ****** you off

Yeah right....


Thane is easily one of my least favorite characters, and that scene in the Citadel still had me all choked up. So well done. OP, if you're a die-hard Thane fan, play Citadel.

uh, I am not a diehard Thane fan, but I lingered in the Thane support thread for a while to show support....diehard Thane fans did not seem pleased

They were BSNers. Most people here aren't generally pleased. Most here complain just for the sake of complaining. But hey, its to be expected on the internetz

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Oh and do not play Citadel if you romanced him, it is only going to ****** you off

Yeah right....


Thane is easily one of my least favorite characters, and that scene in the Citadel still had me all choked up. So well done. OP, if you're a die-hard Thane fan, play Citadel.

uh, I am not a diehard Thane fan, but I lingered in the Thane support thread for a while to show support....diehard Thane fans did not seem pleased

They were BSNers. Most people here aren't generally pleased. Most here complain just for the sake of complaining. But hey, its to be expected on the internetz

that is needlessly unfair, and arguably THEY are the people who got invested the most.

I loved the citadel DLC...if it does have one blemish (besides not adding a proper reunion scene...trolololol) would be this

[SNascimento]

Mcfly616 wrote...

You're upset your time wasn't as long as you wanted it to be.....even though you knowingly chose to romance a terminally ill character?



Your point is moot in this instance.

Again. This isn't about romance, this isn't even about Thane, this is about the overall lack of care and effort given to make ME2 squadmates meaningful in the story. 

Thane's role in ME3 was bad, with him romanced or not, but the fact that his role barely changes if you romanced him or not illustrates the said lack of effort. It just show how little work was put into him. And that is valid for all other ME2 character as well.

Modifié par SNascimento, 24 octobre 2013 - 02:36 .

[CronoDragoon]

Thane's role was fine. Did you really expect characters who were 1) unimportant to the plot and 2) not ME3 squadmates to have much more than a mission dedicated to them? Hell, my friend was pissed off because it was simply too convenient that every side mission involved a new ME2 squadmate.

As for the quality of the content, I realize the shortcomings of the romance but I found his death scene beautiful.

Miranda wasn't butchered, either.

Edit: I do agree that she needed more ME3 content, though. She was plot-relevant and her ME2 character arc was underdeveloped to say the least. She should have been a squadmate.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 24 octobre 2013 - 02:44 .

[SNascimento]

Also, I'm yet to play the Citadel DLC in this playthrough (and I never threw they party), so I still have too see about that, but I don't think it strikes the main problem I'm talking about here. It's true it tries to patch somethings up, but it's just to little.

Using Miranda as an example, a character that I spent more time with. I found her role in ME3 to be terrible, and again, it's not about romance, it's not about personal moments only. It's about the fact she was this top Cerberus Operative, TIM's second in command, and that amounts to almost nothing in the game. I mean, she doesn't even have a confrontation with The Illusive Man. It's like only a piece of the character made it to the game, and the rest was utterly forgotten.

[crimzontearz]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Thane's role was fine. Did you really expect characters who were 1) unimportant to the plot and 2) not ME3 squadmates to have much more than a mission dedicated to them? Hell, my friend was pissed off because it was simply too convenient that every side mission involved a new ME2 squadmate.

As for the quality of the content, I realize the shortcomings of the romance but I found his death scene beautiful.

Miranda wasn't butchered, either.

the death scene was idiotic, not in its execution (I liked that) but in its needlessness given what caused it

[CronoDragoon]

crimzontearz wrote...
the death scene was idiotic, not in its execution (I liked that) but in its needlessness given what caused it

It's really irrelevant to me how things play out. Perhaps they could have choreographed the fight with Leng better but the bottom line would not have changed: Thane sacrificed himself to save the salarian.

[crimzontearz]

CronoDragoon wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
the death scene was idiotic, not in its execution (I liked that) but in its needlessness given what caused it

It's really irrelevant to me how things play out. Perhaps they could have choreographed the fight with Leng better but the bottom line would not have changed: Thane sacrificed himself to save the salarian.

how things play out is very relevant. If Shepard arrived to the scene after to find Thane wounded and dying after defending the councilor with his very last breath I would have been 100% ok with it


 
As it is that scene makes me feel Shepard, Garrus and Liara were completely incompetent

Modifié par crimzontearz, 24 octobre 2013 - 02:51 .