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[3DandBeyond]

crimzontearz wrote...

how so? If ME3 remained as it is but the crucible solely weakened the reapers enough for a conventional victory (as the final seal allows for in both Darksiders 1 and 2 then what exactly would have been the difference really besides the fact that ME3 tried so very hard to be darker and edgier than its prequels?

But you're changing it to fit exactly how I see (or one way) it could have been worked out-something more fitting to what we'd been shown in this MEU before.  Having the crucible be really used by "us" instead of being a tool for the reaper commander glow boy and in service to his problem, would have been a better scenario.  If the ending had embraced the concept of people at last determining their future by building this thing and then by destroying their enemies, working together and all that, then even darker would have been acceptable.  Not to say that there wasn't a lot that tried to disrupt that idea of darker and edgier.

This is all so funny since prior to finishing ME3, BW as a whole kept saying they wanted it to be like Star Wars, if not in theme or in feel, then at least in it being a breakout game as SW was a breakout movie.  But much of what they said implied they wanted it to also be more like SW than 2001. 

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

ever played Darksiders?

Are you seriously going to bring stories about the God-like Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse into this discussion?

not the way you think it. I am juat saying, Darksiders starts from the preamble they the horsemen were called and the human race was snuffed out. But, I bet 3D would take that game as fun escapism, as would I

It is fun escapism (I enjoyed the first two games), but they're very different situations.

how so? If ME3 remained as it is but the crucible solely weakened the reapers enough for a conventional victory (as the final seal allows for in both Darksiders 1 and 2 then what exactly would have been the difference really besides the fact that ME3 tried so very hard to be darker and edgier than its prequels?

First off, are you forgetting what happens at the end of Darksiders 2? 

Second off, are you really this compelled to force Mass Effect into being a literal space fantasy?

[crimzontearz]

That is because I am AGREEING with you 3D....

[dreamgazer]

3DandBeyond wrote...

This is all so funny since prior to finishing ME3, BW as a whole kept saying they wanted it to be like Star Wars, if not in theme or in feel, then at least in it being a breakout game as SW was a breakout movie.  But much of what they said implied they wanted it to also be more like SW than 2001. 

The Reapers aren't the Empire, though.

Therein lies a very big, tricky difference in handling the antagonist and preserving suspension of disbelief.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

ever played Darksiders?

Are you seriously going to bring stories about the God-like Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse into this discussion?

not the way you think it. I am juat saying, Darksiders starts from the preamble they the horsemen were called and the human race was snuffed out. But, I bet 3D would take that game as fun escapism, as would I

It is fun escapism (I enjoyed the first two games), but they're very different situations.

how so? If ME3 remained as it is but the crucible solely weakened the reapers enough for a conventional victory (as the final seal allows for in both Darksiders 1 and 2 then what exactly would have been the difference really besides the fact that ME3 tried so very hard to be darker and edgier than its prequels?

First off, are you forgetting what happens at the end of Darksiders 2? 

Second off, are you really this compelled to force Mass Effect into being a literal space fantasy?

Darksiders 2 ends with death's sacrifice....and he is promptly resurrected by War as he shatters the final seal

secondly, if it means not ending in grimdark bull**** and instead ending like ME1 did? Sure

[iOnlySignIn]

Do you hear that hum?

I think it's BioWare whispering "Buy Citadel DLC!"

[David7204]

I wish wouldn't people defend heroic stories with "Life sucks and I'm trying to escape it."

It's an argument you'll always lose to someone who knows what they're doing.

Modifié par David7204, 25 octobre 2013 - 07:21 .

[Br3admax]

StreetMagic wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I wish wouldn't people defend heroic stories with "Life sucks and I'm trying to escape it."

It's an argument you'll always lose to someone who knows what they're doing.

Few even give a **** what you wish. Get that through your head, first and foremost. Second, it's not about an "argument". It's about preferences. Totally subjective. Not everything is even relevant to an actual debate.

Word. 

[3DandBeyond]

crimzontearz wrote...

That is because I am AGREEING with you 3D....

Yep, sorry for the way it came out.  Really having a rough time right now so sleeping about 2-3 hours a night.  Appreciate you reining me in since my own internal mechanisms aren't working so well.

[3DandBeyond]

David7204 wrote...

I wish wouldn't people defend heroic stories with "Life sucks and I'm trying to escape it."

It's an argument you'll always lose to someone who knows what they're doing.

Huh.  It's long been said that all forms of entertainment exist to take us from the planes of reality in some way.  If all art or games or whatever entertains us does is mimic reality then why not just get rid of it?  Sure at times it does mimic it, but it's also been known to create it or to help create it.  Sometimes life mimics art.

Read any book on writing and first and foremost is the idea that stories and characters are caricatures of real life.  They don't necessarily mimic it as much as they exaggerate it.  Even a mundane story of a couple getting a divorce can be more entertaining if the conflict is big enough.

In many ways life that is both good and sucks just plain needs the counterplay of imaginative vision, no matter the form.  It nurtures us.  Even our dreams exist in part to act as a brake against the stresses we may experience in real life.  Nightmares that are so overwhelming make us glad to wake up and wonderful dreams can make us happy for a moment.

The argument that entertainment is escapism is a timeless truth.  Hear a wonderful piece of music and it takes you elsewhere.  I, for one don't want to constantly be reminded of the troubles that exist and if entertainment just devolves into that, then it's not at all entertaining.

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

I wish wouldn't people defend heroic stories with "Life sucks and I'm trying to escape it."

It's an argument you'll always lose to someone who knows what they're doing.

if you really think that you are dumber  than you appear

[3DandBeyond]

dreamgazer wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

This is all so funny since prior to finishing ME3, BW as a whole kept saying they wanted it to be like Star Wars, if not in theme or in feel, then at least in it being a breakout game as SW was a breakout movie.  But much of what they said implied they wanted it to also be more like SW than 2001. 

The Reapers aren't the Empire, though.

Therein lies a very big, tricky difference in handling the antagonist and preserving suspension of disbelief.

No, but there's not really much difference in that a big bad foe is a big bad foe.  With the Empire and with the prequels to Star Wars 4-6, the foe is really sort of uncertain.  But the Empire rises up and takes the prize.  The fact that they are made up of people that look like all the other people is of little consequence.

The Empire was perhaps even a more thorny foe to fight than reapers in reality.  And they too were impossible foes who created their own crucible (hmm maybe that's where the idea came from) to fight off the rebel Alliance.  It's all in the writing.  People think because BW wrote that the reapers were big bad hard to kill foes that that always had to mean they're basically invincible.  But the cool thing about writing is you can alter things by introducing new unknown elements that give your foe an achilles' heel.  And it makes for great storytelling if done right.

[FlamingBoy]

David7204 wrote...

I wish wouldn't people defend heroic stories with "Life sucks and I'm trying to escape it."

It's an argument you'll always lose to someone who knows what they're doing.

That last line was very amusing david, tell me another

[David7204]

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I wish wouldn't people defend heroic stories with "Life sucks and I'm trying to escape it."

It's an argument you'll always lose to someone who knows what they're doing.

if you really think that you are dumber  than you appear

Think what, exactly? That you'll lose?

[Baihu1983]

Mcfly616 wrote...

You're upset your time wasn't as long as you wanted it to be.....even though you knowingly chose to romance a terminally ill character?



Your point is moot in this instance.

Yep. Thane deserved a better death in 3 but come on. He tells you the first time you meet him in 2 nothing can be done at this stage of the illness but people still expected Shepard to find a cure?

[crimzontearz]

David7204 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I wish wouldn't people defend heroic stories with "Life sucks and I'm trying to escape it."

It's an argument you'll always lose to someone who knows what they're doing.

if you really think that you are dumber  than you appear

Think what, exactly? That you'll lose?

that you could win an argument that is by definition unwinnable because it hinges on personal preference and subjective reasons and tastes.

De gustibus non disputandum est.

[crimzontearz]

StreetMagic wrote...

I never expected or necessarily wanted a cure for Thane, but at this point, I think anything is possible with this game universe. Especially medical-wise.

this. Also the hastily put together retcon of his disease was a borderline insult to the intelligence of the player

Modifié par crimzontearz, 26 octobre 2013 - 10:38 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I wish wouldn't people defend heroic stories with "Life sucks and I'm trying to escape it."

It's an argument you'll always lose to someone who knows what they're doing.

if you really think that you are dumber  than you appear

Think what, exactly? That you'll lose?

And you're the guy who absolutely hates it when people call Mass Effect a power fantasy. That's really the entire premise of the story.

[Xilizhra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I wish wouldn't people defend heroic stories with "Life sucks and I'm trying to escape it."

It's an argument you'll always lose to someone who knows what they're doing.

if you really think that you are dumber  than you appear

Think what, exactly? That you'll lose?

And you're the guy who absolutely hates it when people call Mass Effect a power fantasy. That's really the entire premise of the story.

Maybe, but you'd have to keep in mind that "power fantasy" would be a neutral term here, not a derisive one. Otherwise, you'd have to deride a heck of a lot of other things.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Oh and do not play Citadel if you romanced him, it is only going to ****** you off

Yeah right....


Thane is easily one of my least favorite characters, and that scene in the Citadel still had me all choked up. So well done. OP, if you're a die-hard Thane fan, play Citadel.

uh, I am not a diehard Thane fan, but I lingered in the Thane support thread for a while to show support....diehard Thane fans did not seem pleased

Die-hard Thane fans wouldn't have been pleased about anything.

[crimzontearz]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Oh and do not play Citadel if you romanced him, it is only going to ****** you off

Yeah right....


Thane is easily one of my least favorite characters, and that scene in the Citadel still had me all choked up. So well done. OP, if you're a die-hard Thane fan, play Citadel.

uh, I am not a diehard Thane fan, but I lingered in the Thane support thread for a while to show support....diehard Thane fans did not seem pleased

Die-hard Thane fans wouldn't have been pleased about anything.

should they take the shameless retcon, minimal ciradel content, forced derp and forced death with a smile and ask for more?

[Brovikk Rasputin]

crimzontearz wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Oh and do not play Citadel if you romanced him, it is only going to ****** you off

Yeah right....


Thane is easily one of my least favorite characters, and that scene in the Citadel still had me all choked up. So well done. OP, if you're a die-hard Thane fan, play Citadel.

uh, I am not a diehard Thane fan, but I lingered in the Thane support thread for a while to show support....diehard Thane fans did not seem pleased

Die-hard Thane fans wouldn't have been pleased about anything.

should they take the shameless retcon, minimal ciradel content, forced derp and forced death with a smile and ask for more?

No, I simply responded to the idea that it'd be possible to please Thane fans. We all know that'd never have happened.

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 26 octobre 2013 - 08:43 .