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[BansheeOwnage]

The way I see it, treatment for things like that should be much better in the future, so having a transsexual might not make much sense. That said, if done right, they could add an interesting transgender character.

[Dextro Milk]

KaiserShep wrote...

What's the matter Dextro, don't you want something like Pam Grier's character in Escape from L.A.?

Nah, it's just stupid.

The only reason they would put a character in the game like that would be for media attention. And knowing this is BioWare we are talking about...

[CronoDragoon]

General TSAR wrote...

End of Act 2? I gave her to the Arishok and never saw funbags again, thank you BioWare for that nifty little feature.

Indeed, it's nice that in this pivotal moment in the story (in which Isabela is featured, and in which how you treat her influences the outcome, not to mention how you value her as a character) you are presented with a pretty substantial choice on how to resolve the conflict.

[Dominus]

The last BioWare related topic I can recall that involved transgender characters(From the DA:I Board) was deleted... I'll give you one thing, though - the premise is more plausible in a Science Fiction Universe than a medieval one, where Openminded-ness on the topic is less likely to be as prevalent.

Having said that, chances seem fairly low. Retail games have tried tackling that before(Two Worlds II had a small side quest involving said subject), so it's not completely out of the question. I'm not sure it's on their main list of priorities, though.

Modifié par DominusVita, 25 octobre 2013 - 02:50 .

[CronoDragoon]

Nier has had a hermaphrodite as well, though they handled it much more subtlely than BioWare could, since you spend a lot more time asking BW characters questions about themselves.

[Cainhurst Crow]

osbornep wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

@OP, Nope.

Inclusion/diversity for its own sake does not matter to videogames

Read more at http://venturebeat.c...cQA6QtO2Odic.99

Xilizhra wrote...

I have an unfortunate feeling that the ME fanbase isn't, overall, mature enough to handle it well.

Yes, we should be more enlightened like you and discuss mature topics like Asari Vaginas.

Read the article and unfortunately, wasn't impressed. The same basic arguments that the author makes against concerning oneself with issues of diversity in gaming could be applied to any other aspect of gaming. Annoyed that ME3 privileged paragon players with a lot of its decisions, or seemingly disregarded major prior choices (the Rachni, Collector base, etc.)? Don't like autodialogue? Too bad, because it isn't the author's job to cater to your preferences; it's the author's job to make the work he or she most wants to make.

My question is, if we're not prepared to accept this response in the case of autodialogue, gameplay or poorly constructed choices, why should we be prepared to accept it with regard to the issue of represenation? 

But that already is the case of reality.  You have no rights to be granted those elements in a game. There is no invisible contract between a player and a game developer for what quality or aspects are inside the game.

What you have, is a right to choose and a right of opinion. You can choose what games to buy or not, choose how to respond in terms of reaction and whether you get your money baxk or not, and you have a right to feel whatever you want with the game. The only thing that binds a game dev to anything is revenue and the market to decide whether they do well next time.

You seem to think there's more to it then that.

[Sebby]

The original Steins;Gate game had a trans character in it and I doubt BW could handle it as a good as that.

Also, Muramasa: The Demon Blade had a trans character of sorts in it as well as a player character(female possessed by male spirit that's looking for a better (male) body to switch to).

[Mathias]

No. That's too far deep down the rabbit hole and Bioware hasn't proven they have the writing talent to pull off something like that, that wouldn't be laughable and embarrassing.

[Xilizhra]

But that already is the case of reality. You have no rights to be granted those elements in a game. There is no invisible contract between a player and a game developer for what quality or aspects are inside the game.

What you have, is a right to choose and a right of opinion. You can choose what games to buy or not, choose how to respond in terms of reaction and whether you get your money baxk or not, and you have a right to feel whatever you want with the game. The only thing that binds a game dev to anything is revenue and the market to decide whether they do well next time.

You seem to think there's more to it then that.

On the one hand, you're technically right. On the other hand, the article is fantastically idiotic, falling immediately into "white men have no race or gender" and zooming off long past that.

[Navasha]

No. It would be prop to get media attention and nothing more. I know me (and likely many others) are completely fed up with political statements in our entertainment venues. Nothing turns me off more than having some social commentary thrust into my unwind time.

[Xilizhra]

Navasha wrote...

No. It would be prop to get media attention and nothing more. I know me (and likely many others) are completely fed up with political statements in our entertainment venues. Nothing turns me off more than having some social commentary thrust into my unwind time.

Right, because having only majority characters doesn't make a political statement at all.

[Jorji Costava]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

But that already is the case of reality. You have no rights to be granted those elements in a game. There is no invisible contract between a player and a game developer for what quality or aspects are inside the game.

What you have, is a right to choose and a right of opinion. You can choose what games to buy or not, choose how to respond in terms of reaction and whether you get your money baxk or not, and you have a right to feel whatever you want with the game. The only thing that binds a game dev to anything is revenue and the market to decide whether they do well next time.

You seem to think there's more to it then that.

As I pointed out in the last sentence of my previous post (which you cut out for some reason), it's not an issue of rights at all. What I'm saying is that criticizing games for under-representing or negatively representing certain groups is as legitimate as criticizing them for poor gameplay, sloppy writing, etc. The article takes the opposite position ("Fortunately for the medium, it doesn't need to be inclusive in order to be good"), but does nothing to substantiate it.

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I also think we should wait for them to actually write a lesbian whose existence isn't meant to cater to horny nerds

How would you define this?

[CronoDragoon]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I also think we should wait for them to actually write a lesbian whose existence isn't meant to cater to horny nerds

What if the horny nerd is a lesbian?

[Br3admax]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I also think we should wait for them to actually write a lesbian whose existence isn't meant to cater to horny nerds

What if the horny nerd is a lesbian?

I don't see why that matters.

[CronoDragoon]

Br3ad wrote...

I don't see why that matters.

Because if it doesn't matter, then Morocco's statement has nothing to do with gender or transgender romances at all. He is merely making a statement about the purpose of any romance, which is not an argument at all against lesbian romance.

[Dieb]

Before all the cringeworthy bickering this thread appears to be inevitaly doomed to sink into, I think again, writing characters for other things than their sexual orientation/equipment, or their availibility to be slept with, would all be great places to start.

Hi, I'm John - on my quest to find my long lost father. And that's my buddy Jane - who is mainly a transsexual.

[Xilizhra]

Baelrahn wrote...

Before all the cringeworthy bickering this thread appears to be inevitaly doomed to sink into, I think again, writing characters for other things than their sexual orientation/equipment, or their availibility to be slept with, would all be great places to start.

Hi, I'm John - on my quest to find my long lost father. And that's my buddy Jane - who is mainly a transsexual.

False dichotomy ahoy!

There's literally no reason why someone who's not a white straight male can't be written for character as well as physical characteristics. Your statement is picking on a problem that doesn't exist.

If it is intentional, it makes an intentional political statement. If it
is not intentional, it does not, no matter how hard you might wish it
did.

DA, for instance, no longer is making a specific effort for any sort of romance equality; it's now the default. Intentionality only has to be done once.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 25 octobre 2013 - 03:31 .

[Br3admax]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't see why that matters.

Because if it doesn't matter, then Morocco's statement has nothing to do with gender or transgender romances at all. He is merely making a statement about the purpose of any romance, which is not an argument at all against lesbian romance.

He's bringing up that almost, if not, every lesbian in the series is a LI, which I think is a very good point.

[Xilizhra]

Br3ad wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't see why that matters.

Because if it doesn't matter, then Morocco's statement has nothing to do with gender or transgender romances at all. He is merely making a statement about the purpose of any romance, which is not an argument at all against lesbian romance.

He's bringing up that almost, if not, every lesbian in the series is a LI, which I think is a very good point.

If we're referring to actual lesbians, there's a grand total of one: Samantha. At least, that we know of, because she is an LI and hence it's relevant to know about. Who says Chakwas isn't one, for instance?

If we're also speaking of bisexual/pansexual women, there's literally every single asari not in your squad. And Samara's not really a romance option either.

[CronoDragoon]

Br3ad wrote...

He's bringing up that almost, if not, every lesbian in the series is a LI, which I think is a very good point.

She's not an LI for a straight male gamer playing a straight male character, no matter how horny I might be. So in what sense is she created for horny nerds besides lesbian horny nerds? And if we're talking about her existing for lesbian horny nerds, why is this more undesirable than straight romances for horny nerds, which I don't see him arguing against?