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[dreamgazer]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Miranda. 

You should read some of the fanfiction I have

I don't think anyone should read some of the fanfiction you have. 

[Br3admax]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Miranda. 

You should read some of the fanfiction I have

Well, time to get the flamethrower out again. 

[AlanC9]

StreetMagic wrote...

I think in a game with alien species, the sky should be the limit, as far sexual preferences go. You could make up completely new orientations in settings like this.

Captain Jack Harkness, eh?

[shodiswe]

At the risk of being ignorant, are there actualy people dreaming of getting together with a transvestite? Or somehow fancying it?

Or people who wants to play as a transvestite rather thsn the prefered gender? I'm not trying to offend anyone or anything. It's just thst I've never heard of such a preferencd.

[Sir DeLoria]

shodiswe wrote...

At the risk of being ignorant, are there actualy people dreaming of getting together with a transvestite? Or somehow fancying it?

Or people who wants to play as a transvestite rather thsn the prefered gender? I'm not trying to offend anyone or anything. It's just thst I've never heard of such a preferencd.

I for sure don't, but that'd be a lot more normal than going for robots...

*cough*Joker*cough*

[AlanC9]

shodiswe wrote...

At the risk of being ignorant, are there actualy people dreaming of getting together with a transvestite? Or somehow fancying it?

Or people who wants to play as a transvestite rather thsn the prefered gender? I'm not trying to offend anyone or anything. It's just thst I've never heard of such a preferencd.

It's apparently a thing.

[Steelcan]

Steelcan wrote...

Why does it matter?

If they have something important to add to the story I see no reason why not.


HOWEVER I just know that such a character would be added for
-pandering to the SJWs
-controversy

So I see no reason to add one in

[Jorji Costava]

Steelcan wrote...

Why does it matter?

If they have something important to add to the story I see no reason why not.


HOWEVER I just know that such a character would be added for
-pandering to the SJWs
-controversy

So I see no reason to add one in

I don't see how it would be possible to know that the inclusion of such a character is merely a matter of pandering without having seen what that character is like, how the character is written, etc. Being a trangender or transsexual character could simply be one attribute among the many attributes possessed by the character; it needn't be the defining feature of the character any more than being a white male is the defining feature of TIM.

[eyezonlyii]

osbornep wrote...

I don't see how it would be possible to know that the inclusion of such a character is merely a matter of pandering without having seen what that character is like, how the character is written, etc. Being a trangender or transsexual character could simply be one attribute among the many attributes possessed by the character; it needn't be the defining feature of the character any more than being a white male is the defining feature of TIM.

I think the difficult part would be in the execution of such a character. How would the issue come up in an organic (lol) way? I mean people are still huffing about the way Cortez's sexuality was presented (which I have no problem with because I'm in a long term relationship and I don't know if I would be that functional a mere 9 months after knowing my partner was taken by aliens for who knows what purpose). But as I was saying, as a love interest, the most "dramatic" moment would be the big reveal, and that becomes a question of how to play it: for laughs or for "feelz"?

Either that or they do a Joker/EDI 2.0, wih everyone kind of squicky and them going through the relationship like "whatevs"

Modifié par eyezonlyii, 25 octobre 2013 - 09:19 .

[KaiserShep]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Cortez is all right. But he also suffers from the same issue of being "the gay character" and not his own.

Funny, I always saw Cortez as being "the pilot/mechanic character" of the ship, not "the gay character". About the only thing we really have regarding his sexuality is the fact that the only family he lost happened to be his husband. The rest of the time, he comments on missions, argues about which tank is better, is fascinated with ships, etc.. Even the teasing dialogue he does back and forth with Vega could be just as easily heard in an exchange between two heterosexual males. His sexuality is no more pronounced than anyone else's, unless, of course, you romance that character. As one who only befriends him and explores all of his dialogue, he is in NO way defined by the fact that he's homosexual. I take particular issue with this, because the notion that he "suffers" from being some sort of token character totally ignores the fact that he's pretty much interchangeable between these two basic traits. His character would be no different if he said "wife", other than the fact that a femShep player could explore the romance option (and even that could have easily gone both ways for the PC).

Modifié par KaiserShep, 25 octobre 2013 - 09:38 .

[Br3admax]

KaiserShep wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Cortez is all right. But he also suffers from the same issue of being "the gay character" and not his own.

Funny, I always saw Cortez as being "the pilot/mechanic character" of the ship, not "the gay character". About the only thing we really have regarding his sexuality is the fact that the only family he lost happened to be his husband. The rest of the time, he comments on missions, argues about which tank is better, is fascinated with ships, etc.. Even the teasing dialogue he does back and forth with Vega could be just as easily heard in an exchange between two heterosexual males. His sexuality is no more pronounced than anyone else's, unless, of course, you romance that character. As one who only befriends him and explores all of his dialogue, he is in NO way defined by the fact that he's homosexual. His character would be no different if he said "wife", other than the fact that a femShep player could explore the romance option.

Yes he would still be baggage that cries about his husband dying. You don't have to romance him to get all of that dialogue. 

[Jorji Costava]

eyezonlyii wrote...

I think the difficult part would be in the execution of such a character. How would the issue come up in an organic (lol) way? I mean people are still huffing about the way Cortez's sexuality was presented (which I have no problem with because I'm in a long term relationship and I don't know if I would be that functional a mere 9 months after knowing my partner was taken by aliens for who knows what purpose). But as I was saying, as a love interest, the most "dramatic" moment would be the big reveal, and that becomes a question of how to play it: for laughs or for "feelz"?

I'm not sure that a transgendered character would automatically have to be a love interest, or that if the character were, there would have to be some big reveal regarding that character's status as a transgendered person. Perhaps sexual identity just isn't as big of a deal in the ME universe; I don't know.

I'd never say that Bioware is somehow obligated to include characters that will be reprsentative of every race, ethinicity, gender, etc. that there are. My only point is that if Bioware chose to include such a character, I don't see what objection could be made to it, other than that the character is poorly written. But of course, poor writing is poor writing, regardless of the character's race, sexual orientation, etc.

[KaiserShep]

Br3ad wrote...
Yes he would still be baggage that cries about his husband dying. You don't have to romance him to get all of that dialogue. 

Sure, but as I said, it would be no different if he used the word wife. The fact that he's grieving is the baggage part, but the specifics about the spouse has no bearing on it.

[RZIBARA]

how about no

[KaiserShep]

Pretty much. Even in the Citadel DLC, his one-on-one meet is all about his pilot background (I've never romanced him so I don't know if there's any difference), since he goes on about inertial dampeners and how pilots wore g-suits, and the vulnerability of Shepard when he's dropping to the field of battle with the squad.

Traynor is the same deal, actually. Unless you offer to let her use the shower, just about the only thing you have to know more about this part of her personal life is a passing conversation between Ken and Gabby. Other than that, she's more of the techy communications character, since, after all, she actually does serve to this end on a regular basis aboard the ship.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 25 octobre 2013 - 09:49 .

[Br3admax]

KaiserShep wrote...

Pretty much. Even in the Citadel DLC, his one-on-one meet is all about his pilot background (I've never romanced him so I don't know if there's any difference), since he goes on about inertial dampeners and how pilots wore g-suits, and the vulnerability of Shepard when he's dropping to the field of battle with the squad.

Traynor is the same deal, actually. Unless you offer to let her use the shower, just about the only thing you have to know more about this part of her personal life is a passing conversation between Ken and Gabby. Other than that, she's more of the techy communications character, since, after all, she actually does serve to this end on a regular basis aboard the ship.

Sexual orientation is not really part of how someone "acts," so using that as the comparison of what "the gay character" willl act like will always turn up like this. There's a difference between being the gay character and being the flambouyant character. 

[eyezonlyii]

Br3ad wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Pretty much. Even in the Citadel DLC, his one-on-one meet is all about his pilot background (I've never romanced him so I don't know if there's any difference), since he goes on about inertial dampeners and how pilots wore g-suits, and the vulnerability of Shepard when he's dropping to the field of battle with the squad.

Traynor is the same deal, actually. Unless you offer to let her use the shower, just about the only thing you have to know more about this part of her personal life is a passing conversation between Ken and Gabby. Other than that, she's more of the techy communications character, since, after all, she actually does serve to this end on a regular basis aboard the ship.

Sexual orientation is not really part of how someone "acts," so using that as the comparison of what "the gay character" willl act like will always turn up like this. There's a difference between being the gay character and being the flambouyant character. 

true, but oftentimes that is not the case. especially in video games.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Xilizhra wrote...

I have an unfortunate feeling that the ME fanbase isn't, overall, mature enough to handle it well.

This.  I've read several transphobic comments already and I haven't even finished the first page, let alone the rest of the thread.  
That said, BioWare absolutely should have trans* people in the upcoming Mass Effect. 

[Ninna]

I wouldn't mind; I'd be cool with any character as long as they are interesting.

Now, I one thing would really like is to have a whole race of super sexy humanoids who look just like hot guys and have guy parts and bang anything... even though "they are not really male or female". They could be purple or something, for a change.