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[VettoRyouzou]

While watching SciVsFi and Seeing the fact that this time around your not working for the alliance navy but a darker more renegade persay group Cerberus and your team ((outside of a few)) seem like a renegade bunch as to ME1 were you Were Alliance navy your team seemed allot more paragon then renegade to the point even your darkest Member ((Wrex)) Really wasn't all that renegade ether he was just wise beyond his days.

And this got me to thinking perhaps come ME3 your choices and your karma ((Paragon/renegade)) also dictate what group you are working with/fore in ME3 were as a paragon player may return to his place as Specter in the alliance navy a more Renegade Shep will stay working with Cerberus.

[GnusmasTHX]

You worked for the Council (such as they are) in ME1.

[VettoRyouzou]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You worked for the Council (such as they are) in ME1.

YOU did but your crew your ship etc Was Alliance navy.

And you did still report back to them.

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 20 janvier 2010 - 02:15 .

[Dave of Canada]

For fun, let's play the guessing game!

Paragons:
Garrus (Paragonized)
Thane (He seems to be the type)
Samara
Jacob
Tali


Neutral:
Legion (He could swing either way)


Renegade:
Grunt
Mordim
Miranda
Subject Zero
Garrus (Renegadized)


So we got a pretty diverse cast in the game, not renegade centric too much.

[Shocktrooper181]

Sounds cool, but that would call for a whole lot of voice acting that might not even be used, especially when you consider the fact that many of those characters could be dead depending on your playthrough

[GnusmasTHX]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You worked for the Council (such as they are) in ME1.

And you did still report back to them.

I did? When? I'm almost positive you're mistaken.

[cyvaris]

After every mission.

[ShadowAldrius]

Shocktrooper181 wrote...

Sounds cool, but that would call for a whole lot of voice acting that might not even be used, especially when you consider the fact that many of those characters could be dead depending on your playthrough

Well, that'd be part of that whole 'choose your own storyline' thing. I'd love it, personally. Maybe have the Illusive Man take control of the Citadel Council (if they're human) in order to make matching the two up a bit easier for the designers. I'm not sure how it'd work, but it seems like a really fun idea.

[VettoRyouzou]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You worked for the Council (such as they are) in ME1.

And you did still report back to them.

I did? When? I'm almost positive you're mistaken.

Did you not hear Admiral hackett remind you your still apart of the navy as well "Read up on your report" if you weren't apart of the group anymore you wouldn't have had to file a report.

Really pay attention to your game man.

[freddfx]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

While watching SciVsFi and Seeing the fact that this time around your not working for the alliance navy but a darker more renegade persay group Cerberus and your team ((outside of a few)) seem like a renegade bunch as to ME1 were you Were Alliance navy your team seemed allot more paragon then renegade to the point even your darkest Member ((Wrex)) Really wasn't all that renegade ether he was just wise beyond his days.

And this got me to thinking perhaps come ME3 your choices and your karma ((Paragon/renegade)) also dictate what group you are working with/fore in ME3 were as a paragon player may return to his place as Specter in the alliance navy a more Renegade Shep will stay working with Cerberus.

You're right, that is an odd idea...

[Yakko77]

ME3 thoughts?

I'm curious as to how big an explosion the Citadel will make in ME3 when it gets blown up to prevent a Reaper invasion or to destroy a Reaper invasion as they pass through the Citadel.

Seriously, can the game end any other way.... ?

[GnusmasTHX]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You worked for the Council (such as they are) in ME1.

And you did still report back to them.

I did? When? I'm almost positive you're mistaken.

Did you not hear Admiral hackett remind you your still apart of the navy as well "Read up on your report" if you weren't apart of the group anymore you wouldn't have had to file a report.

Really pay attention to your game man.

Captain Anderson says otherwise,  and given the nature of the Spectre's as an organization, I'm pretty sure Shepard still maintains contact with the S.A out of sentiment. 

And no, I never reported to Admiral Hackett in ME1. The only time you have to speak with him, I believe, is after you become a Spectre. Hackett gives Shepard sidequests (which aren't 'canon' since you don't have to do any of them), if that's what you're referring to about reading up on Shepard's reports. Why would he do a mission for Hackett and not tell him what happened?

Point is, Shepard answers to the Council only while a Spectre, and simply chooses to keep the Systems Alliance in the loop. 

More so, the main quest has very little to do with orders from the Alliance Navy, if you paid attention to your game. The Council assigns you to track down Saren, not the Systems Alliance. The Council is who you can optionally report back to after every main mission, not the Systems Alliance.

All the Systems Alliance really does is show up at the end to help out at the Citadel, and even then, they're contacted by Joker, not yourself.

[VettoRyouzou]

You really need to pay attention more. You are both just case you join the Specters doesn't mean your no longer apart of the Alliance Navy case if that was the case the HUMAN ambassador wouldn't of been able to lock your ship in all your equipment crew etc etc are ALL alliance navy joining the specters doesn't earn you a free trip onto anything you want in order to keep all these items he had to STAY with the alliance navy were as in ME2 to keep the SR2 he has to work for Cerberus!



Pay attention.

[GnusmasTHX]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

You really need to pay attention more. You are both just case you join the Specters doesn't mean your no longer apart of the Alliance Navy case if that was the case the HUMAN ambassador wouldn't of been able to lock your ship in all your equipment crew etc etc are ALL alliance navy joining the specters doesn't earn you a free trip onto anything you want in order to keep all these items he had to STAY with the alliance navy were as in ME2 to keep the SR2 he has to work for Cerberus!
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Yes, I realize that Shepard is still partly in the Systems Alliance, but he WORKS for the Council. The Systems Alliance didn't issue you ANY of the main missions and quests in ME1. (Aside maybe the first to Eden Prime, but that was more or less both.)

Also; you realize Udina was acting on behalf of the Council right? Who ALSO didn't want Shepard going after Saren. If Udina wants to issue a lockdown, why would the Councillors stop him?

Again, Shepard was more affiliated with the Council and his status as a Spectre during the main events of ME1 rather than the Systems Alliance and his Navy rank. You were following Council orders, not the Systems Alliance. You didn't report back to the Systems Alliance at all, outside optional sidequests.

If you check the ME Wiki, Shepard's affiliation with the Systems Alliance after becoming a Spectre is still ambiguous, as Hackett tells him he's still Navy, where as Anderson says, "You're a Spectre now..." Shepard more or less acts Navy because he wants to, and the Normandy is more or less on loan to him for his mission.

[VettoRyouzou]

Thus.. he still apart of the navy and it not on loan to him loan meaning he can buy it, as well according to Specter rules a ambassador could not lock down his ship if the ship belong to him as specter work beyond the system to QUOTE THE COUNICAL.

So as I said A more paragon Shepard would return Alliance navy were renegade would go Cerberus.

Case as much as he a specter it doesn’t mean the council has to give him jack **** it just means he above most laws.


He will need to work with one or another to keep a ship and crew going.

[GnusmasTHX]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Thus.. he still apart of the navy and it not on loan to him loan meaning he can buy it, as well according to Specter rules a ambassador could not lock down his ship if the ship belong to him as specter work beyond the system to QUOTE THE COUNICAL.

So as I said A more paragon Shepard would return Alliance navy were renegade would go Cerberus.

Case as much as he a specter it doesn’t mean the council has to give him jack **** it just means he above most laws.


He will need to work with one or another to keep a ship and crew going.

You worked for the Council in ME1.

[VettoRyouzou]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Thus.. he still apart of the navy and it not on loan to him loan meaning he can buy it, as well according to Specter rules a ambassador could not lock down his ship if the ship belong to him as specter work beyond the system to QUOTE THE COUNICAL.

So as I said A more paragon Shepard would return Alliance navy were renegade would go Cerberus.

Case as much as he a specter it doesn’t mean the council has to give him jack **** it just means he above most laws.


He will need to work with one or another to keep a ship and crew going.

You worked for the Council in ME1.

Sure you did Did the council give you that ship? Your equipment? Your Guns? Your crew? No they just slapped a title on you and let you do the mission even your own Military wanted you to do.


Live in your happy ignorance

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:07 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

You really need to pay attention more. You are both just case you join the Specters doesn't mean your no longer apart of the Alliance Navy case if that was the case the HUMAN ambassador wouldn't of been able to lock your ship in all your equipment crew etc etc are ALL alliance navy joining the specters doesn't earn you a free trip onto anything you want in order to keep all these items he had to STAY with the alliance navy were as in ME2 to keep the SR2 he has to work for Cerberus!

Pay attention.

Remember rear-admiral "what's-his-name?" wanting to inspect your ship? Shepard can politely explain that he has no right because he is not in Shepard's chain of command. If the rear-admiral wants to inspect the ship he has to be autorized by the Office of Special Tactics and Reconnaissance.

[VettoRyouzou]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

You really need to pay attention more. You are both just case you join the Specters doesn't mean your no longer apart of the Alliance Navy case if that was the case the HUMAN ambassador wouldn't of been able to lock your ship in all your equipment crew etc etc are ALL alliance navy joining the specters doesn't earn you a free trip onto anything you want in order to keep all these items he had to STAY with the alliance navy were as in ME2 to keep the SR2 he has to work for Cerberus!

Pay attention.

Remember rear-admiral "what's-his-name?" wanting to inspect your ship? Shepard can politely explain that he has no right because he is not in Shepard's chain of command. If the rear-admiral wants to inspect the ship he has to be autorized by the Office of Special Tactics and Reconnaissance.

Under the same logic The Ambassador shouldn't of been able to lock the ship down under the rules of "Specters". As they work outside the law of the council, to sum it up he may be able to push aside some officers but when it all said and done he does have limits within his own government.


And for all we know seeing as renegade shepards are known for lying and being a dick he could have been spouting it out of the ass and hoping the idiot fall for it.

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:13 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Dense.

[VettoRyouzou]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Dense.

Wow name calling way to show your vast maturity there bub.

[ShadowAldrius]

The ship is on loan to the Citadel Council. And the Council discouraged you from heading to the Mu Relay as well anyway, they basically locked you down, or it could be argued that they did anyway. Plus you can shut down the lockdown from both C-Sec (controlled by the Citadel) and Udina's office (controlled by the Alliance).



I'd say it's somewhat grey, but when it comes right down to it, the Systems Alliance has no real power over Shepard. If the wishes of the Alliance contradict or conflict with those of the council in regards to Shepard's orders, I think he's obligated to obey the council.

[VettoRyouzou]

ShadowAldrius wrote...

The ship is on loan to the Citadel Council. And the Council discouraged you from heading to the Mu Relay as well anyway, they basically locked you down, or it could be argued that they did anyway. Plus you can shut down the lockdown from both C-Sec (controlled by the Citadel) and Udina's office (controlled by the Alliance).

I'd say it's somewhat grey, but when it comes right down to it, the Systems Alliance has no real power over Shepard. If the wishes of the Alliance contradict or conflict with those of the council in regards to Shepard's orders, I think he's obligated to obey the council.

I can agree to that to a point BUT they also have the right to pull his ship crew and equipment, People are ignoring the fact the Normandy does not belong to the council nether does it crew or equipment, And being a Specter doesn't entitle you to a free ship it just a rank, A rank to end all ranks but a rank none the less he still has to get his own ship. So even being a Specter and working for the council He is still apart of the alliance navy.

[GnusmasTHX]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Dense.

Wow name calling way to show your vast maturity there bub.

Dense is an adjective. 

VettoRyouzou wrote...
Seeing the fact that this time around your not working for the alliance navy 

How about you ask yourself a couple questions:

Spectre's answer directly to...?
Who gave you the mission to track down Saren?
Who did you report to at the end of Noveria, Feros,  and Virmire? (Or at least asked if you wanted to.)
The Systems Alliance is subject to all the rules and regulations set out by...?

Hint: The Council

So who does Shepard work for/answer to in ME1? That's right... You're getting it.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:25 .

[VettoRyouzou]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Dense.

Wow name calling way to show your vast maturity there bub.

Dense is an adjective. 

How about you ask yourself a couple questions:

Spectre's answer directly to the...?
Who gave you the mission to track down Saren?
Who did you report to at the end of Noveria, Feros,  and Virmire? (Or at least asked if you wanted to.)
The Systems Alliance is subject to all the rules and regulations set out by the...?

Hint: The Council

So who does Shepard work for/answer to in ME1? That's right... You're getting it.

Shepard got his ship from?
Shepard got the top pilot from?
Who wanted to go after Seran first?
Who locked out the ship?

Oh right The ALLIANCE NAVY!

So yes you are right he does answer to the council

But please inform me who funds the first human specter and make sure he has what he needs case it sure as hell wasn't the council.