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[LemurFromTheId]

Ultner wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

On Gold, a Javelin Infiltrator can kill any mook - even a Pyro - with one headshot even without any ammo. With Phasic II or Disruptor IV you can still body-shot any mook except a Pyro or a Hunter.

Generally Phasic III is the best choice, especially for UUG - but not always. My Salarian Infiltrator uses Warp ammo, which makes killing Reapers, Collectors and all kinds of bosses much faster. ED (which works much better with Javelin than BW) strips shields from any mook except Pyro or Hunter in one cast. I either just headshot them or ED them while shooting a non-shielded mook and ED them again before actually shooting them.

Any kit with ED or Overload can easily use Javelin without resorting to Phasic ammo.

Works only out of cloak. With Phasic ammo I can kill a mook without TC damage boost if I score a headshot. With TC I only need a bodyshot which is much quicker and easier to pull off in stressful situations..

If you are so good that you can score headshots everytime, then you're better off using the BW with Phasic ammo, because with that setup you can kill 3 mooks in about 4 seconds.

If you are using a shield stripping power like ED or Overload, then you don't need a ****ing Javelin to finish off the enemy. Also in this situation the BW is superior, because you're not wasting so much damage potential.

Lol.

No, I can't score headshots left and right like an aimbot, but I can hit a Pyro or a Hunter in the head when I need to. Easiest enemies in the game to headshot. They don't roll around, they don't take cover, they don't bob their heads sideways while moving - they just walk steadily towards you.

Yes, I could use a Black Widow on my SI and still finish ED'd mooks with a bodyshot. But I couldn't do that to multiple enemies anyway, because you can't strip shields from three targets with ED. I also couldn't one-shot Ravagers. I couldn't one-shot Phantoms through walls. I couldn't body-shot Dragoons. I couldn't... you should get the point by now.

When used specifically as shield-strippers ED and Overload are best when specced for single target - therefore they work best with single-shot sniper rifles. If you use Chain Overload to stagger, on the other hand, then BW is better.

[Fortack]

XFG-65 wrote...

The Black Widow is the best sniper rifle. The combination of auto aim and quick scoping enables very easy headshots. On a good day, I can easily score consecutive headshots as fast as the weapon will allow. Even though it does more damage per shot, the Javelin's rate of fire is poor. The Black Widow does high damage and has a much better rate of fire, I always get 20 headshots with this weapon on every single game, whereas I hardly ever get more than 5 headshots with the Javelin.

Lol at people playing on gold.

Also, lol at people who hard scope with sniper rifles. You'll never get anywhere with that.

As long as you can quickscope, you should very easily be able to get 20 headshots in the first half of the game. So Black Widow wins, no contest.

Unless you had just 1 round left with no remaining thermal clip packs and you weren't near an ammo box. Only then is the Javelin better.

lol @ console aimbot auto-aim so you can miss by a mile and still hit the target in the head.

lol @ you only playing Winfiltrators (else you wouldn't post nonsense like this)

lol @ quickscoping with aimbot

triple lol @ you not being able to get 20 headshots with lol-auto-aim using the Javelin.

[iOnlySignIn]

Fortack wrote...

The Black Widow can be slightly better for killing thrash mobs, but requires Tactical Cheat + Geth Scanner. In all other scenarios the Javelin reigns supreme. Unless you suck and cannot hit things with it of course.

I only use the Black Widow with the Drell Assassin and the Geth Engineer.

Recon Mine/Hunter Mode + Heavy Barrel + Thermal Scope = no Javelin needed for maximum wall hack.

For the Drell Assassin, in particular, Black Widow is much better than the Javelin because the higher ROF allows you to cancel Cloak cooldown faster (which you have no ways to cancel otherwise, unlike with other Infiltrators), and the lower weight really matters (again, because you cannot cancel Cloak cooldown with powers).

For the GE I have a whole thread here:
http://social.biowar.../index/17448440

With other characters, yes I find the Javelin to be superior. In particular with:

(1) Asari Huntress - OSK any humanoid enemy on Platinum

(2) Salarian Infiltrator - OSK any humanoid on Platinum with no equipment, Energy Drain negates Shield Gate

(3) N7 Destroyer, Human Soldier - OSK any humanoid on Gold with no equipment

(4) Geth Juggernaught - gives you range (through walls), which this character lacks otherwise

(5) Geth Infiltrator - on him the Geth Weapon Damage bonus makes the biggest difference

In general I regard the Black Widow as a better Saber. The Javelin is an actual sniper rifle.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 26 octobre 2013 - 06:17 .

[Simba501]

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

[Sailears]

Aedolon wrote...

Curunen wrote...

Got to treat it like a bow

...or a javelin.

Fair point!

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Simba501 wrote...

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

By the same token, since you've never played without it, you can't really claim it's more of an annoyance than an assist.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Fortack wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

The Black Widow is the best sniper rifle. The combination of auto aim and quick scoping enables very easy headshots. On a good day, I can easily score consecutive headshots as fast as the weapon will allow. Even though it does more damage per shot, the Javelin's rate of fire is poor. The Black Widow does high damage and has a much better rate of fire, I always get 20 headshots with this weapon on every single game, whereas I hardly ever get more than 5 headshots with the Javelin.

Lol at people playing on gold.

Also, lol at people who hard scope with sniper rifles. You'll never get anywhere with that.

As long as you can quickscope, you should very easily be able to get 20 headshots in the first half of the game. So Black Widow wins, no contest.

Unless you had just 1 round left with no remaining thermal clip packs and you weren't near an ammo box. Only then is the Javelin better.

lol @ console aimbot auto-aim so you can miss by a mile and still hit the target in the head.

lol @ you only playing Winfiltrators (else you wouldn't post nonsense like this)

lol @ quickscoping with aimbot

triple lol @ you not being able to get 20 headshots with lol-auto-aim using the Javelin.

Wow... all I'm getting out of this is that neither of you has the slightest clue how auto-aim works. 

It's like the tactical cloak wars all over again. 

[Lucky]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Simba501 wrote...

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

By the same token, since you've never played without it, you can't really claim it's more of an annoyance than an assist.

I've played with both and it is harder and more annoying to snipe on console with auto-aim than on a pc without it. This isn't to say that auto-aim is never helpful but, controller with auto-aim is <<<<<< a mouse and keyboard without it.

[Lucky]

Also, BW with armor piercing ammo or warp ammo is better than either with phasics on platinum. It's the ideal sniper setup for dropping bosses and you can still 2 shot kill any mooks (with an infiltrator anyway).

Modifié par rlucht, 26 octobre 2013 - 07:59 .

[Learn To Love Yourself]

rlucht wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Simba501 wrote...

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

By the same token, since you've never played without it, you can't really claim it's more of an annoyance than an assist.

I've played with both and it is harder and more annoying to snipe on console with auto-aim than on a pc without it. This isn't to say that auto-aim is never helpful but, controller with auto-aim is <<<<<< a mouse and keyboard without it.

It is given that PC mouse > Console controller, but people on consoles don't know whether sniping would be better without autoaim or not because we don't have the option to turn it off.  So you can't really claim that it is MORE of an annoyance to have it than to not.

Modifié par Jack Crapper, 26 octobre 2013 - 07:59 .

[Lucky]

Jack Crapper wrote...

rlucht wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Simba501 wrote...

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

By the same token, since you've never played without it, you can't really claim it's more of an annoyance than an assist.

I've played with both and it is harder and more annoying to snipe on console with auto-aim than on a pc without it. This isn't to say that auto-aim is never helpful but, controller with auto-aim is <<<<<< a mouse and keyboard without it.

It is given that PC mouse > Console controller, but people on consoles don't know whether sniping would be better without autoaim or not because we don't have the option to turn it off.  So you can't really claim that it is MORE of an annoyance to have it than to not.

True but people who claim that sniping on the consoles is easier than on pc because of lolautoaim are equally if not more incorrect.

[IllusiveManJr]

Waiting for the inevitable "console scrubs need to commit suicide" comments.

[Evil]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Simba501 wrote...

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

By the same token, since you've never played without it, you can't really claim it's more of an annoyance than an assist.

Maybe he can't but I can.  Sort of.

I've used the railgun on quake II back in the days when I was a PC gamer, which is similar to using a widow, but without the scope or any form of auto-aim.

If I could disable the consoles auto aim to make it like using the PC Q2 railgun, I would.

For those who don't know how console auto aim works, it picks the closest target to your crosshairs when you activate the scope, centering the crosshairs on the enemys center.

But it only does this if your gun is already pointing within a decent proximity to the target, much like the way powers lock on to targets, it won't lock on to a target if it isn't within a few degrees of centre.

I'm not sure how many degrees the cut-off for auto aim is, but it probably isn't very big, I've never really tried testing it by deliberately aiming badly.

If you had a noscope headshot lined up, the autoaim will actually move the crosshairs away from the targets head towards the body.  This is bloody annoying.

If a low priority target such as a trooper is in front of a higher priority target such as a phantom, the autoaim will move the crosshairs away from the phantom towards the trooper.  This can get you killed.

Basically, it gives a small benifit that I don't even need 60% of the time, interferes with my headshots 20% of the time, and causes me to look at the wrong target 20% of the time.

Not a good trade-off.

[Caldari Ghost]

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Modifié par Caldari Ghost, 26 octobre 2013 - 08:58 .

[Learn To Love Yourself]

rlucht wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

rlucht wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Simba501 wrote...

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

By the same token, since you've never played without it, you can't really claim it's more of an annoyance than an assist.

I've played with both and it is harder and more annoying to snipe on console with auto-aim than on a pc without it. This isn't to say that auto-aim is never helpful but, controller with auto-aim is <<<<<< a mouse and keyboard without it.

It is given that PC mouse > Console controller, but people on consoles don't know whether sniping would be better without autoaim or not because we don't have the option to turn it off.  So you can't really claim that it is MORE of an annoyance to have it than to not.

True but people who claim that sniping on the consoles is easier than on pc because of lolautoaim are equally if not more incorrect.

True.  I've also mentioned this in other threads.  PC players are generally condescending idiots in this regard with no basis for their opinions

[Caldari Ghost]

Jack Crapper wrote...

rlucht wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

rlucht wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Simba501 wrote...

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

By the same token, since you've never played without it, you can't really claim it's more of an annoyance than an assist.

I've played with both and it is harder and more annoying to snipe on console with auto-aim than on a pc without it. This isn't to say that auto-aim is never helpful but, controller with auto-aim is <<<<<< a mouse and keyboard without it.

It is given that PC mouse > Console controller, but people on consoles don't know whether sniping would be better without autoaim or not because we don't have the option to turn it off.  So you can't really claim that it is MORE of an annoyance to have it than to not.

True but people who claim that sniping on the consoles is easier than on pc because of lolautoaim are equally if not more incorrect.

True.  I've also mentioned this in other threads.  PC players are generally condescending idiots in this regard with no basis for their opinions

i've played on both. but annomander told me i cant know if teh PC version has auto-aoim either. dafuq am i supsoed to do?

[LemurFromTheId]

Jack Crapper wrote...

PC players are generally condescending idiots in this regard with no basis for their opinions

Extrapolating much?

[Caldari Ghost]

Aedolon wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

PC players are generally condescending idiots in this regard with no basis for their opinions

Extrapolating much?

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Evil Mastered wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Simba501 wrote...

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

By the same token, since you've never played without it, you can't really claim it's more of an annoyance than an assist.

Maybe he can't but I can.  Sort of.

I've used the railgun on quake II back in the days when I was a PC gamer, which is similar to using a widow, but without the scope or any form of auto-aim.

If I could disable the consoles auto aim to make it like using the PC Q2 railgun, I would.

For those who don't know how console auto aim works, it picks the closest target to your crosshairs when you activate the scope, centering the crosshairs on the enemys center.

But it only does this if your gun is already pointing within a decent proximity to the target, much like the way powers lock on to targets, it won't lock on to a target if it isn't within a few degrees of centre.

I'm not sure how many degrees the cut-off for auto aim is, but it probably isn't very big, I've never really tried testing it by deliberately aiming badly.

If you had a noscope headshot lined up, the autoaim will actually move the crosshairs away from the targets head towards the body.  This is bloody annoying.

If a low priority target such as a trooper is in front of a higher priority target such as a phantom, the autoaim will move the crosshairs away from the phantom towards the trooper.  This can get you killed.

Basically, it gives a small benifit that I don't even need 60% of the time, interferes with my headshots 20% of the time, and causes me to look at the wrong target 20% of the time.

Not a good trade-off.

Some of this is true, and some of it I have not experienced, and some I have experienced something completely different.

Usually, when my crosshair is lined up on a face, I will still zoom into the face.  It's how I get most of my headshots.  However, if I am just barely off of the head, when I zoom in, the crosshair is not on top of the head, but the head is visible in the scope.  I don't think the console autoaim is an "I win" button.

I have zoomed in on swarmers which were off my screen, but they were probably the closest targetable enemy.

I'm not sure why the autoaim will snap to another target when you're originally trying to hit another.  I always felt it was proximity over priority.

I think they should at least have the option to turn it off.  That's my biggest gripe.  It'd be nice to see how the game would be without it.  I generally find it annoying too, so I don't zoom in unless I'm sniping witih most guns, but that increases spread in some cases (like the Talon).  It bothers me that some of the console gamers who state that the autoaim is more of a burden than anything are the same ones who upload videos of them abusing it with snap aiming target to target as much as it bothers me to see some of the idiot PC players spew nonsense about something they have no idea about.

[Caldari Ghost]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Evil Mastered wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Simba501 wrote...

Those who say autoaim is an instawin have not had it in their hands. Much more of an annoyance than anything else.

By the same token, since you've never played without it, you can't really claim it's more of an annoyance than an assist.

Maybe he can't but I can.  Sort of.

I've used the railgun on quake II back in the days when I was a PC gamer, which is similar to using a widow, but without the scope or any form of auto-aim.

If I could disable the consoles auto aim to make it like using the PC Q2 railgun, I would.

For those who don't know how console auto aim works, it picks the closest target to your crosshairs when you activate the scope, centering the crosshairs on the enemys center.

But it only does this if your gun is already pointing within a decent proximity to the target, much like the way powers lock on to targets, it won't lock on to a target if it isn't within a few degrees of centre.

I'm not sure how many degrees the cut-off for auto aim is, but it probably isn't very big, I've never really tried testing it by deliberately aiming badly.

If you had a noscope headshot lined up, the autoaim will actually move the crosshairs away from the targets head towards the body.  This is bloody annoying.

If a low priority target such as a trooper is in front of a higher priority target such as a phantom, the autoaim will move the crosshairs away from the phantom towards the trooper.  This can get you killed.

Basically, it gives a small benifit that I don't even need 60% of the time, interferes with my headshots 20% of the time, and causes me to look at the wrong target 20% of the time.

Not a good trade-off.

Some of this is true, and some of it I have not experienced, and some I have experienced something completely different.

Usually, when my crosshair is lined up on a face, I will still zoom into the face.  It's how I get most of my headshots.  However, if I am just barely off of the head, when I zoom in, the crosshair is not on top of the head, but the head is visible in the scope.  I don't think the console autoaim is an "I win" button.

I have zoomed in on swarmers which were off my screen, but they were probably the closest targetable enemy.

I'm not sure why the autoaim will snap to another target when you're originally trying to hit another.  I always felt it was proximity over priority.

I think they should at least have the option to turn it off.  That's my biggest gripe.  It'd be nice to see how the game would be without it.  I generally find it annoying too, so I don't zoom in unless I'm sniping witih most guns, but that increases spread in some cases (like the Talon).  It bothers me that some of the console gamers who state that the autoaim is more of a burden than anything are the same ones who upload videos of them abusing it with snap aiming target to target as much as it bothers me to see some of the idiot PC players spew nonsense about something they have no idea about.

umad?

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Aedolon wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

PC players are generally condescending idiots in this regard with no basis for their opinions

Extrapolating much?

Sorry, this is based on what I've personally seen throughout the forums, but I still shouldn't be generalizing.  It is just disappointing because I have seen PC forumites who are generally positive in threads, yet reduce themselves to the same console bashing idiocy you see most of the time when they speak in group discussions.

Before 2011 or 2012, I was strictly a PC gamer, so I already know how much easier games are with a mouse and keyboard in general.

[Caldari Ghost]

Beerfish wrote...

Most snipers are chickens who don't like to mess up their precious uniforms in any case. Hell biotics get their hands more dirty than snipers who typically hide behind Krogan asses.

ignorance!

[Evil]

Jack Crapper wrote...

I'm not sure why the autoaim will snap to another target when you're originally trying to hit another.  I always felt it was proximity over priority.

That's always been my assumption too, it'd explain why swarmers are so prone to making your aim move to the floor when aiming at the ravager behind them spawning the little buggers.

Jack Crapper wrote...

I think they should at least have the option to turn it off.  That's my biggest gripe. 

The simplest solutions are often the best.
A toggle option in the menus would have been easy to implement I imagine, since it's usually easier to simply disable a feature than to modify it, and the option would have pleased quite a few people, myself included.

[Caldari Ghost]

i wish FTL would try a little harder to make his points........