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[Fortack]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

The DPS with RCing is close with around a 10 DPS difference for the BW but the Javelin surpasses that on a Geth because of the Geth passive bonus. That said the BW is better in game because that on paper DPS can be spread on infantry faster with less overkill. Javelin probably slays elites a wee bit faster but it's close there as well.

Not really. A Black Widow X + SR Amp 3 + Phasic 3 + 25% weapon damage (and headshot) bonus from passive is not enough to kill a Gold Nemesis with a single headshot. Firing two BW shots to kill one Nemesis is more overkill than a single Javelin shot (a Jav X on the same kit with the same equipment kills the Nemesis with a bodyshot).

A Gold Lolgoon (using the same kit and equipment) requires a headshot form both weapons which favors the BW.

Tactical Cheat changes everything, but the underlying problem remains. A GI can OHK a Gold Brute or Scion with the Javelin (not with the BW); but the BW is powerful enough in its hands to OHK a Gold Nemesis (bodyshot is sufficient this time when using Phasics).

Bottom line is that DPS is more or less irrelevant in most cases. Threshold damage is what matters most. On Winfiltrators the BW is a better weapon when fighting Cerberus on Gold b/c it allows you to OHK everything except turrets and Atlas; whilst the Javelin X is better on everything that doesn't have space magic damage bonuses.

[Jaun Shepard]

Fortack wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

The DPS with RCing is close with around a 10 DPS difference for the BW but the Javelin surpasses that on a Geth because of the Geth passive bonus. That said the BW is better in game because that on paper DPS can be spread on infantry faster with less overkill. Javelin probably slays elites a wee bit faster but it's close there as well.

Not really. A Black Widow X + SR Amp 3 + Phasic 3 + 25% weapon damage (and headshot) bonus from passive is not enough to kill a Gold Nemesis with a single headshot. Firing two BW shots to kill one Nemesis is more overkill than a single Javelin shot (a Jav X on the same kit with the same equipment kills the Nemesis with a bodyshot).

A Gold Lolgoon (using the same kit and equipment) requires a headshot form both weapons which favors the BW.

Tactical Cheat changes everything, but the underlying problem remains. A GI can OHK a Gold Brute or Scion with the Javelin (not with the BW); but the BW is powerful enough in its hands to OHK a Gold Nemesis (bodyshot is sufficient this time when using Phasics).

Bottom line is that DPS is more or less irrelevant in most cases. Threshold damage is what matters most. On Winfiltrators the BW is a better weapon when fighting Cerberus on Gold b/c it allows you to OHK everything except turrets and Atlas; whilst the Javelin X is better on everything that doesn't have space magic damage bonuses.

Wait, WTF GI can OHKO Brutes and SCIONS? Seriosly? 

[Fortack]

Jaun Shepard wrote...

Wait, WTF GI can OHKO Brutes and SCIONS? Seriosly? 

Yep

www.youtube.com/watch

[NuclearTech76]

Fortack wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

The DPS with RCing is close with around a 10 DPS difference for the BW but the Javelin surpasses that on a Geth because of the Geth passive bonus. That said the BW is better in game because that on paper DPS can be spread on infantry faster with less overkill. Javelin probably slays elites a wee bit faster but it's close there as well.

Not really. A Black Widow X + SR Amp 3 + Phasic 3 + 25% weapon damage (and headshot) bonus from passive is not enough to kill a Gold Nemesis with a single headshot. Firing two BW shots to kill one Nemesis is more overkill than a single Javelin shot (a Jav X on the same kit with the same equipment kills the Nemesis with a bodyshot).

A Gold Lolgoon (using the same kit and equipment) requires a headshot form both weapons which favors the BW.

Tactical Cheat changes everything, but the underlying problem remains. A GI can OHK a Gold Brute or Scion with the Javelin (not with the BW); but the BW is powerful enough in its hands to OHK a Gold Nemesis (bodyshot is sufficient this time when using Phasics).

Bottom line is that DPS is more or less irrelevant in most cases. Threshold damage is what matters most. On Winfiltrators the BW is a better weapon when fighting Cerberus on Gold b/c it allows you to OHK everything except turrets and Atlas; whilst the Javelin X is better on everything that doesn't have space magic damage bonuses.

BW is better on marksman, adrenaline rush, and devastor mode characters as well. Anything with shield stripping power, any nontraditional power spam build like the Asari Adept sniper because of the weight.

[Kel Riever]

*facepalms*

No, no, no! Crusader is bester than Black Widow at sniping, but Javelin > Crusader.

Even if the Black Widow is better than the Javelin

[Fortack]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

BW is better on marksman, adrenaline rush, and devastor mode characters as well. Anything with shield stripping power, any nontraditional power spam build like the Asari Adept sniper because of the weight.

It still depends on how many shots are needed to kill something. If I have to draw a line, I'd say that the BW is better when it can OHK most enemies on the field with a single shot; and the Javelin is better when the BW cannot OHK most stuff whilst the Jav can.

The BW will always be better when 2 Jav shots are required to kill most things.

The problem with adding something like shield-strippers to the equation is that there are other - lighter - weapons available that can kill enemies who've lost their shields with a single shot as well. Characters with Overload will be more effective thrash mob killers using the Saber or Valiant, for example (and have faster cooldowns too).
The BW still has an edge against the big fat armored guys though, so overall effectiveness will also depend on your target priorities.

Furthermore, the Javelin can OHK all trash mobs without removing shields first whereas the Black Widow requires 2 shots to take out nearly everything that hasn't been Overloaded first. So there are many situations where the Javelin is superior to the BW even when used on shield-strippers.

[Voodud]

Agreed, BW X > Javelin X for plat. I always outscore Javelin people with my BW... because they aim and shoot slow... They miss, and I have less chance to miss because I have 3 bullets