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[ISpeakTheTruth]

Let us look at the world of Thedas as we know it today. Its a world of almost constant war in at least one part of it nearly all the time. There's hardly ever a moment where Thedas is at peace, between the Exalted Marches, Qunari invasions, or typical war between two or more countries. The world is in chaos and has been in that state ever since the Tevinter lost its sway over the whole of Thedas. That is where I started to think, yes the Tevinter isn't the most moral of places but if you look at the morality of all the other lands you'll find no one has the high ground when it comes to human rights.

When the Tevinter ruled the known world there was peace, there was no endless cycle of warfare, no massive civil wars, no deadly invaders attempting to conquer its people. The world had something it only had once and has never come close to having again true peace and stability. Under mage rule the world's technology flourished they were able to make great highways spanning the entire continent, massive towers that have stood the test of time still being the centers of current civilizations. I have no doubt in my mind that if Thedas was unified under mage rule when the Qunari first arrived there wouldn't have been a war the Qunari would have been swallowed not only by their superior magical abilities but their technological advantage wouldn't be anywhere near as far ahead of us had the achievements of the Tevinter hadn't been lost centuries. When Rome fell human technology stopped and went backwards and stayed there for centuries and the same happened to Thedas when the Tevinter lost control.

I know that people will point and say that mages can't rule because of demons and abominations to which I'll point to history. The Tevinter is the oldest civilization in the world, they have withstood the test of time and have weathered everything. Their society isn't threatened by abominations they don't need witch hunts to control demons and abominations whatever they're doing is working because their society has never fallen into chaos from within its always been from outside influences.

Once mages lost control over most of Thedas they were put in charge and what have they done with that freedom? They've done nothing but fight one another. They've broken the world up into chucks that they claim to control and do nothing but constantly war with each other in a mad attempt to gain more power. That is the great flaw in mundanes being in charge it is in their nature to want more power the truth is the mundane is more easily enticed with the idea of power than any mage is. How many Exalted Marches have been called because a corrupt religious empire wanted something that didn't belong to them, or declared war on someone that dared not to agree with them? Or the Qunari who destroy everything and everyone that isn't a part of their cult? The truth is there isn't a single country ruled by a mundane that isn't in a state of constant infighting and war because they don't know how to lead.

I remember reading the last comic where a Tevinter mage wanted to use his power to alter the minds of everyone in Thedas to make them think the Tevinter was still in charge and basically put mage in charge like before. I ask why is this wrong? Yes its morally wrong to alter everyone's minds but in the end how many lives would have been saved in the long run if the whole world was rallied behind one single leadership? How many innumerable wars would have been avoided had this mage had succeeded. Peace would have finally come to Thedas after being plunged into madness for centuries. 

The Mundane had their chance to rule and have proven time after time to be unable to govern themselves without destroying one another. I say it is time for mages to be given leadership over Thedas again.

(A side note I do not count Dwarves among the mundane. They like mages have proven to be capable of forming a long lasting and stable society so I have no desire to see dwarves being ruled by mages because they've proven to be capable of governing themselves) 

[Vit246]

No.

What is needed is balance. No extremes.

[leaguer of one]

Vit246 wrote...

No.

What is needed is balance. No extremes.

^This.

Why don't people not understand that black or white is not the awnser, It's grey.

Nature is developed and made by balances, not extremes.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

When the Tevinter ruled the known world there was peace, 

False.
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Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 26 octobre 2013 - 03:09 .

[Steelcan]

When Tevinter ruled there was peace through enslavement, blood ritual, and oppression.

For some reason people took offense to this.

[Angrywolves]

uh no.
Next....

[wolfhowwl]

I vaguely remember something happening between Tevinter and the Elven civilization...

Also

[n7stormrunner]

hang on let me start the popcorn

[Vit246]

That mage looks miserable in that silly outfit and hat.

[Boycott Bioware]

"Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy...and we shall have...peace...." - Darth Sidious

[Face of Evil]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

When the Tevinter ruled the known world there was peace, there was no endless cycle of warfare, no massive civil wars, no deadly invaders attempting to conquer its people.

That statement is totally incorrect. Just read some of the item descriptions connected to the magister lords, like the Juggernaut armor. In-fighting between magisters was common.

In fact, World of Thedas states that the Imperium's decline actually started two centuries before the first Blight, when the nation was nearly torn apart by civil war. Tevinter politics were just as bloody as they are in modern Thedas.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 26 octobre 2013 - 03:29 .

[Dermain]

Face of Evil wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

When the Tevinter ruled the known world there was peace, there was no endless cycle of warfare, no massive civil wars, no deadly invaders attempting to conquer its people.

That statement is totally incorrect. Just read some of the item descriptions connected to the magister lords, like the Juggernaut armor. In-fighting between magisters was common.

In fact, World of Thedas states that the Imperium's decline actually started two centuries before the first Blight, when the nation was nearly torn apart by civil war. Tevinter politics were just as bloody as they are in modern Thedas.

Just as bloody? I was under the imrpression that it was bloodier!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

By far. Their civil war lasted 72 years.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 26 octobre 2013 - 04:04 .

[Face of Evil]

Myrkale wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

When the Tevinter ruled the known world there was peace, there was no endless cycle of warfare, no massive civil wars, no deadly invaders attempting to conquer its people.

That statement is totally incorrect. Just read some of the item descriptions connected to the magister lords, like the Juggernaut armor. In-fighting between magisters was common.

In fact, World of Thedas states that the Imperium's decline actually started two centuries before the first Blight, when the nation was nearly torn apart by civil war. Tevinter politics were just as bloody as they are in modern Thedas.

Just as bloody? I was under the imrpression that it was bloodier!

By virtue of all the blood magic, perhaps.

[Senya]

Qistina wrote...

"Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy...and we shall have...peace...." - Darth Sidious

Should Sidious be the new Archon, then?

Modifié par almostinsane99, 26 octobre 2013 - 04:19 .

[Revenant147]

The day I let funny hat wearing pansies rule anything, let alone the whole world, is the day I ( Insert something I'd never do here ).

[Zatche]

Since everyone already covered how skewed OP's version of Thedas history is:

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
I remember reading the last comic where a Tevinter mage wanted to use his power to alter the minds of everyone in Thedas to make them think the Tevinter was still in charge and basically put mage in charge like before. I ask why is this wrong? Yes its morally wrong to alter everyone's minds but in the end how many lives would have been saved in the long run if the whole world was rallied behind one single leadership? How many innumerable wars would have been avoided had this mage had succeeded. Peace would have finally come to Thedas after being plunged into madness for centuries. 
 

....so you you prefer a dictatorship...powered by mind control and blood magic...with slaves...

A side note I do not count Dwarves among the mundane. They like mages have proven to be capable of forming a long lasting and stable society so I have no desire to see dwarves being ruled by mages because they've proven to be capable of governing themselves)

Seriously? Did you play DAO? Dwarven society is as corrupt as it gets.

[Reznore57]

That's a very very bad idea....
Whatever people thinks of the Chantry , it improves living conditions for a lot of people.
I mean Kirkwall is a great example at showing this , there is still some tyranny going on but nothing like the BonePit or what happens in the city sewers.
In 10 years we only face one big massacre during the right of Annulment .

Of course it's far from perfect , the city elves aren't equal , the mages are locked up and sometimes abused .But it 's almost Paradise city if you look at how it used to be.

[Shadow Fox]

No.

[The Qun & the Damned]

[TheKomandorShepard]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Qistina wrote...

"Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy...and we shall have...peace...." - Darth Sidious

Should Sidious be the new Archon, then?

Then thedas would be screwd most siths are super di*** and selfish to extreme or even worse just ax crazy only vader and revan (and dooku if we can count him) were well intentioned and still i would pray not being them in charge.

Mages , chantry ,templars and qunari need to die so i will go for independent like in new vegas. 

[9TailsFox]

Reznore57 wrote...

That's a very very bad idea....
Whatever people thinks of the Chantry , it improves living conditions for a lot of people.
I mean Kirkwall is a great example at showing this , there is still some tyranny going on but nothing like the BonePit or what happens in the city sewers.
In 10 years we only face one big massacre during the right of Annulment .

Of course it's far from perfect , the city elves aren't equal , the mages are locked up and sometimes abused .But it 's almost Paradise city if you look at how it used to be.

Quinary lifestyle improves living conditions even more so we should all just become willing slaves programed to do 1 job.

[Senya]

LOL. I know. Sidious would do something terrible like enter the Fade and bring about a disaster or even rip the Veil apart entirely.

Oh, wait...

[9TailsFox]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

Qistina wrote...

"Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy...and we shall have...peace...." - Darth Sidious

Should Sidious be the new Archon, then?

Then thedas would be screwd most siths are super di*** and selfish to extreme or even worse just ax crazy only vader and revan (and dooku if we can count him) were well intentioned and still i would pray not being them in charge.

Mages , chantry ,templars and qunari need to die so i will go for independent like in new vegas. 

We should just let Darth Malgus become emperor galaxy would be better place.