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[Erez Kristal]

Given new information regarding the asari and change in the exchange rate of the credit. i have overhauled the charts.
1 Credit= 4$ 


https://lh5.googleus...gByuaF5jAkiF3OQ

Ships in total beginning of 2186:  letter stand for quality


https://lh4.googleus...gHjyBn7y6S3aoqA


System Alliance : The Alliance has quickly become a key player in the galactic economy, with several large human corporations taking their market share. The Alliance economy, though growing, does not yet come close to that of the asari or turians and is only approaching that of the elcor. 

Most famous corporations are the sitra foundations(medi-gel) and the eldfell ashland energy.
The system alliance also enjoy a large amount of industrial automation, tourism and almost none existing unemployment rates.


Galactic population numbers: the galaxy has trillions of people, turian, asari  salarian, elcor, hanar, batarian and volus all had 1400 peaceful years to build their population and power

Where are all these people?
Galaxy 250 Stars--> 4 planets on average per star---> 1 trillion planets. Council races explore 1% of these planets --> 10 bllion planets. 1% Garden planets --> 100 million garden planets 30,000 on average per garden planet --> 3 trillion.  and half a billion other habitable planets(planets who could use some adjustment) http://www.universet...nomers-say-yes/

In the mass effect games we only visited about a thousand planets...


 System Alliance military expenditure 

Quality = Good
https://lh6.googleus...LdzruF1DVZJKVXg

https://lh3.googleus...LesQBsub7K6OUjA

Salaries
Account for all the people working for the system alliance. Average salary on
the system alliance military is equal to the average salary for the human race.
1% of the population serve in the alliance military


Frigates:
Frigates Along with cruisers make the backbone of the alliance military.  price tag for a modern frigate is 40 billion credits.

Cruiser:
together with frigates make the backbone of the alliance military. For every six frigates the alliance create one cruiser to lead a patrol.  price tag for a modern cruiser is 0.4 billion credits.

Dreadnoughts.
Dreadnought make for mobile command centers and are key factors in large fleets engagements. they are only deployed in the most serious of battles. a modern dreadnought cost 4 trillion credits.
The system alliance strive to keep a ratio of 1-30-180-60,000 for its warships fleets.


Infrastructure
The alliance infrastructure account for all the planetary defense system.
Alliance ship hangars. Military outposts, training hangars. 
Maintenance and upgrades
The alliance fleets and buildings despite being new still cost a lot of money
to maintain.
Fighters : the system alliance see the value
of fighters in the modern space battle and keep a high ratio of 2000 fighters
for every cruiser.  The sr1 ezzo core could have been used to provide ezzo for 12,000 fighters and cost 120,000 billion credits. 
A complete fighter cost 20 million credits.

Turian
Military Expenditure. 2185

Turian
15-30 serve in the military. average age of death 150.   "The lifespan of a turian is comparable
to that of a human." " Improved medical advances and gene therapy have
led to longer, healthier lifespans; the average citizen can now expect to live
to around 150."

10%
serve in the army . 28 billion soldiers.  10% serve as front line troops.


Soldiers are on the lower paygrade in the turian army and are payed a half of the
average paygrade on average. with officers making more than regulars.

Quality per unit = Good

https://lh4.googleus...CjsMJe1jz3VwFiQ

 

Asari
Military Expenditure. 2185   246-billion. 0.01% serve in the military = 24.6 millions.

Average
Salary in the military is four times high than the number of the average gdp. 
https://lh3.googleus...ilEJIdqOp6gzrtg



Salarian Military Expenditure.

0.1% of the salarian population serve in the army. Soldier Average Wage is two times higher of the average gdp.
https://lh5.googleus..._PCgpK0AaNWmXJA

Batarian Military Expenditure
1% of the population serve as soldiers. : 2.33 billion soldiers
Average wage is twice the gdp.

The hegemony absolute control over its market allows its to focus on creating ships
for lesser cost but with lesser quality as well. The hegemony tend to sell its
older ships in the terminus. .

Batarian Military Expenditure
https://lh6.googleus...K5EKQyPA8x8dXbw



Comparasion Source - http://en.wikipedia....by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Modifié par erezike, 10 novembre 2013 - 07:32 .

[David7204]

So humans are twice as productive per capita as asari and salarians, huh?

Also, a snack on the Citadel apparently costs 50 bucks. Since I hear those advertisments for fish skewers or something for 5 credits.

[Br3admax]

erezike wrote...

 I am aware i have started a similar threada few days ago. i am starting this thread anew due to the reasongalactic population is tied in with the galactic GDP from the get go.
 
1 Credit= 10$

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Liara tells you in ME3 that there are only somewhere around 5-7 billion asari in the entire galaxy. 

And the rest of these numbers are way off base. 

[David7204]

She tells you there's 5 billion asari, but we have to assume she's only talking about Thessia. Since poking around a few asari colonies reveals many of them have populations in the billions.

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

She tells you there's 5 billion asari, but we have to assume she's only talking about Thessia. Since poking around a few asari colonies reveals many of them have populations in the billions.

Even considering that, places like Illium are not asari only colonies and that anyone would factor into the population. 

[David7204]

There are probably at least a dozen asari colonies you can visit in ME 3 with a population of a couple of billion each. Even if they were only 25% asari, it would be a population well over 10 billion and likely far, far higher.

[Erez Kristal]

David7204 wrote...

So humans are twice as productive per capita as asari and salarians, huh?

Also, a snack on the Citadel apparently costs 50 bucks. Since I hear those advertisments for fish skewers or something for 5 credits.

Human enjoy a great invesment flux, humans have many galactic innovations for their small numbers. humans suffer low unemployment numbers. more tourism than any other place in the planet and they are pushers. make for great business men.
So yes. the humans are almost as twice as productive per capita as the salarians and asari.

Oahu, Hawaii
In Waikiki, tourist food comes in two flavors: exorbitant and outrageous. This becomes clear to visitors when they walk into the restaurant at their beachfront hotel and find their only option is a breakfast buffet that serves up bacon and bankruptcy. They'll shell out $20 or more a person for eggs and pineapple juice.

Lunch? Expect to pay $21 for a burger, fries and a soda. The dinner buffet will tally about $35 each.

not to mention the citadel doesnt grow food of its own. 
they have to import everything.
And dont forget the outrageous rents on the citadel. these alone would be enough to tripple any food price.


Asari - Asari have low ambitions, they spend great deals of their lives either talking or traveling. they tend to  work a lot less than the other species.

Salarian - Salarian have a lot of scientists. but make for poor business men. they are more modest in their lifestyle. 

Volus - the good business men and investors.

Turians - a militaristic Country. even though they are hard workers. they are very unefficent.

Humanity - Great Galactic Innovations( Medi Gel.) Shrewed business men( ashland) Use a lot of succesful automanation(hahne kedar) enjoy a healthy amount of tourism(many asari and salarian people and only one planet earth. ideal for heavy tourism revenue) 
Plenty of resources(put flags in many uncharted worlds) 
Ambitious and hard working species( many of them travel to space to seek fortune, low unemployment rates)

Modifié par erezike, 26 octobre 2013 - 02:32 .

[David7204]

Hoo boy...

To make a long post short...

No.

[Erez Kristal]

David7204 wrote...

Hoo boy...

To make a long post short...

No.

As ussual david. your arguments become poor when you reach subjects beyond your comprehension.

[Arcian]

David7204 wrote...

So humans are twice as productive per capita as asari and salarians, huh?

Also, a snack on the Citadel apparently costs 50 bucks. Since I hear those advertisments for fish skewers or something for 5 credits.

Sure, David, let's just ignore 200 years of inflation.

[David7204]

Adjusting for inflation is not only pointless, but counterproductive. The entire point of setting the value of a credit to that of a dollar is providing a useful comparison. That comparison goes out the window if it's a comparison to a value we can only guess 200 years from now. Whereas we have a perfectly good grasp of the wealth of a dollar as it is today.

Modifié par David7204, 26 octobre 2013 - 02:12 .

[Erez Kristal]

I agree with david that inflation as no meaning in this argument.
Rents, taxes, demand and import cost are. and it make perfect sense for a fish to cost 50$ on the citadel

the citadel is the most expensive place in the galaxy.

How was anderson able to pay for an apartment that zise from an advisor pay is what you should be wondering about.

The Free lance in omega are offered 500 credits for a suicide mission only if they survive. adminstor anoleis offers you 200 for a hefty sevice. 5000$ and 2000$ sounds right for both.

Modifié par erezike, 26 octobre 2013 - 02:31 .

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

There are probably at least a dozen asari colonies you can visit in ME 3 with a population of a couple of billion each. Even if they were only 25% asari, it would be a population well over 10 billion and likely far, far higher.

I'm not debating this, I'm just saying really that it's nowhere near 180,000,000,000 people. 

[Artifex_Imperius]

Asari; influence the price of eezo. they're like Oil Rich Arabs of the Future. imagining Thessia to be like Saudi Arabia or Monaco.

like arabs a common asari phrase should be "money is not an object!".

"The asari homeworld, Thessia[/b], is the core of the largest economy in the Milky Way. The planet's reserves of element zero are so vast that they affect its price galaxy-wide." - from codex

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 26 octobre 2013 - 02:58 .

[Erez Kristal]

Br3ad wrote...


Liara tells you in ME3 that there are only somewhere around 5-7 billion asari in the entire galaxy. 

And the rest of these numbers are way off base. 

The milky way galaxy has trillions of people. the asari would have a hard time being so dominant with only 5-7.
the asari and salarian manged to hold off the krogan hordes for a long time before the turian joined in the fight.
The krogan horde had hundred of billions of krogans.
The horde lost in the end but not before killing hundred of billions of turian, salarian and asari.

this war happened 1500 years ago. mass effect time.

It would be foolish to think the three powerful races of the galaxy didnt return to their old numbers (hundred of billiosn of people) when they tell you themselves there are trillions of people in the galaxy. and that a few human colonies a very small matter in a glactic scale.

these numbers are the only reasonable numbers that would follow a logical galaxy. if you arguments against it. you would have to do better.

Do remember that in the mass effect games we only a visit a tiny number of the discovered galaxy planets.
we only visit hundreds of planets out of the  1-4 billion discovered star systems... yeah that many.(milky way has 100-400 billion stars, the galactic races know of almost  1% of it: 1-4 billion starrs. there could be anyware from 1 - 20 billion planets.)

Modifié par erezike, 26 octobre 2013 - 02:43 .

[Erez Kristal]

Br3ad wrote...

, I'm just saying really that it's nowhere near 180,000,000,000 people. 

Why not a 180 billion people?

[shodiswe]

Are there really that many Elcor?

[Br3admax]

erezike wrote...

Br3ad wrote...


Liara tells you in ME3 that there are only somewhere around 5-7 billion asari in the entire galaxy. 

And the rest of these numbers are way off base. 

The milky way galaxy has trillions of people. the asari would have a hard time being so dominant with only 5-7.
the asari and salarian manged to hold off the krogan hordes for a long time before the turian joined in the fight.
The krogan horde had hundred of billions of krogans.
The horde lost in the end but not before killing hundred of billions of turian, salarian and asari.

this war happened 1500 years ago. mass effect time.

It would be foolish to think the three powerful races of the galaxy didnt return to their old numbers (hundred of billiosn of people) when they tell you themselves there are trillions of people in the galaxy. and that a few human colonies a very small matter in a glactic scale.

these numbers are the only reasonable numbers that would follow a logical galaxy. if you arguments against it. you would have to do better.

Do remember that in the mass effect games we only a visit a tiny number of the discovered galaxy planets.
we only visit hundreds of planets out of the  1-4 billion discovered star systems... yeah that many.(milky way has 100-400 billion stars, the galactic races know of almost  1% of it: 1-4 billion starrs. there could be anyware from 1 - 20 billion planets.)

Source. For pretty much all of this. 

[Barquiel]

The Council said in ME1 that they're responsible for "trillions of lives" and the Asari are the most popoulus species (Anderson mentioned it in one of the novels). 180.000.000 is probably a good guess.

[Br3admax]

Barquiel wrote...

The Council said in ME1 that they're responsible for "trillions of lives" and the Asari are the most popoulus species (Anderson mentioned it in one of the novels). 180.000.000 is probably a good guess.

The Council also said that the Destiny Ascension was the most powerful ship in the galaxy and that it was as powerful as a few normal dreadnaughts.The Council said that they didn't believe in the Reapers. The Council said that they should share all Prothean technology and then has a species that hords it. The Council says a lot of things. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 26 octobre 2013 - 03:02 .

[Erez Kristal]

"The Rebellions were preceded by four hundred years of aggressive krogan expansion coupled with booming population growth(Rachni war ended in 300 CE The rebellions started in 700 CE" ", their naturally swift breeding cycle and lack of sufficient predators resulted in the krogan spreading throughout the galaxy like a plague."
Krogans were sterlized in 710 CE
turians, salarian and asari together needed to stop the krogan who most likely amounted to hundred of billions of krogans(maybe even more than a trillion)

Considering the asari, salarian and turian only acheived space flight 1500 years at most before than you can assume that even if they finished the war with 30 billion people following another 1400years of peace after the rebellions they could have replenished their numbers.


The number of starts in the galaxy is taken from wikepdia. and the number of discovered stars in mass effect universe is taken from the mass effect codex.

[Erez Kristal]

Barquiel wrote...

The Council said in ME1 that they're responsible for "trillions of lives" and the Asari are the most popoulus species (Anderson mentioned it in one of the novels). 180.000.000 is probably a good guess.

are you sure that the asari is the most populated species. i had the impression they had the most colonies.. if its true then i would need to tweak the numbers, by reducing turian and batarian numbers and increasing the asari.

[Br3admax]

erezike wrote...

"The Rebellions were preceded by four hundred years of aggressive krogan expansion coupled with booming population growth(Rachni war ended in 300 CE The rebellions started in 700 CE" ", their naturally swift breeding cycle and lack of sufficient predators resulted in the krogan spreading throughout the galaxy like a plague."
Krogans were sterlized in 710 CE
turians, salarian and asari together needed to stop the krogan who most likely amounted to hundred of billions of krogans(maybe even more than a trillion)

Considering the asari, salarian and turian only acheived space flight 1500 years at most before than you can assume that even if they finished the war with 30 billion people following another 1400years of peace after the rebellions they could have replenished their numbers.

The number calculated from this is not even close to 180,000,000,000. Second, the galaxy has not really been at peace during that entire time. 

[Barquiel]

erezike wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The Council said in ME1 that they're responsible for "trillions of lives" and the Asari are the most popoulus species (Anderson mentioned it in one of the novels). 180.000.000 is probably a good guess.

are you sure that the asari is the most populated species. i had the impression they had the most colonies.. if its true then i would need to tweak the numbers, by reducing turian and batarian numbers and increasing the asari.

If we assume Anderson knows what he's talking about. But it was only mentioned once in ME:Revelation iirc.

[TheProtheans]

The numbers are way over the f**king top.
There is **** all turians, salarians and Asari, I reckon 30 - 40 billion max for each.
I don't know where the 20 billion for most of them are though as ingame they don't add up anywhere near that when counting the planets.
I imagine there is even less volus and Elcor, perhaps under 10 billion.


And even then the size of the fleets they have does not represent the populations very well.
There should be a dreadnought for every 100 - 500 million people.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 26 octobre 2013 - 03:34 .