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[Red Panda]

In this game, much figurative blood has been shed about skill in a cooperative game against AI- controlled units that all cheat to some extent. No one has seemed to create a useful system that actually works. Such a thing is perhaps the greatest failure of this game. Let us proceed with why the previous systems failed.


Does N7 rank provide an accurate portrayal of skill?

"No", says the spammer of cat pics, "I never promoted on this platform".

"No", says the cat in the hat, "I mod a coalesced to victory instead".

"No", says the speed runner with armored compartments.

"Yes", says the conceited man with the maxed harrier who uses it on every kit.

The community rejected it due to disagreement, and as such was the bane of it, as well as the elitist fueled N7 matchmaking.

Do challenge points provide an accurate portrayal of skill?

"No", says the insane Scot who spams endless hordes of enemies, unfettered by outdated hardware.

"No", says the man who led his glorious campaign on the community and lost.

"No", says the PUG I last played with who insisted that a katana was better than a shuriken.

"Yes", says the player who's number one in the world.

The community rejected it once more, this time less harshly but just as bluntly.

And what of times promoted? Does it count as skill?

"[expletive] no", said the man who wielded the brawler vanguard off host versus banshee hordes.

"thundadome me 1v1", said another.

"Nope", said the massively effective one, "nope nope nope nope".

"Wat", said the BSN, unable to comprehend this.

"Yes", said the hosting PUG I played with.

Again, another failure in the search for the skill measurement needed to lay this to rest, a casualty of logic.

There was no choice but to reject these mediums in the search for skill.

Does speedrunning count as skill with armored compartments?

No.

Does having level 10 ultra-rares that one recommends in every build they post also count as skill despite the majority of player not having them and never will have them?

No.


I asked the soloers, the missile glitchers, the HLG, the PUGs, the Juggs, the thugs, the speedrunners, the eggs of the box. None could answer me as thoroughly as an idea that just came to me.

First, I though, let's make it a percent, an efficiency rating if you would. Not the truest skill rater, but something approaching it.


Then I made it...

A masterpiece:


(100(sqrt(challenge point total)/sqrt(N7 ranking total))(Time played in hours/games played in total))/4            =

Your percent efficiency

Note: Percent efficiency maxes out at 100. If you happen to have scored above that, treat it as a 100.

Note: Scaling changes made to account for high scoring people.


That is all.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 27 octobre 2013 - 07:43 .

[Crimson Vanguard]

By E-peen

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

The way to measure skill is to play with the person in question.

/thread

[Mask of Apathy]

And It shall be called the Wookie Equation

[n7stormreaver]

Amount of score one gets in a game with 3 afk teammates using Inferno Grenades and Reegar is the most adequate and reliable reflection of one's skill.

[Supreme Leech]

I am the second best player in the world, my N7 currently stands at 53000. That's all you need to know in order to determine my skill level.

[Red Panda]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

By E-peen

Which is based upon the rejected and disgraced N7 and challenge values.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:36 .

[Supreme Leech]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

By E-peen

Which is based upon the rejected and disgraced N7 and challenge values.


I apologize, but your e-peen is withered now.

So let me see if I understand you correctly. Your definition of rejection is exemplified by Bioware's announcement of an N7 day. A whole day dedicated to N7. A day where Bioware's employees will take some time out to recognise those at the top of the N7 leaderboard. And you're speaking about N7 in terms of rejection and disgrace?

You're at odds with Bioware about N7. I'm with Bioware on this one.

[n7stormreaver]

Lakook is still sitting on whatever he was sitting? Amusing.

[K_O_513]

I find it easier to just admit that everyone who plays this is not skilled and a scrub.

[MGW7]

So mine would be
...
169 113.62?
How does this even work, it doesn't seem overly usefull

[GordianKnot42]

Impressive. But I have an easier method...

In a Gold match, if I'm 3rd or 4th by the end of wave 2, I know I'm with good players.
If I'm in 1st by the end of wave 2, then the other players must not be very good (because I'm relatively scrubby), and I know we're in trouble.

So clearly all we need to do is have me play with everyone on BSN.

[Red Panda]

MGW7 wrote...

So mine would be
...
169 113.62?
How does this even work, it doesn't seem overly usefull

Are you sure you calculated it right?

Because that's two numbers.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 27 octobre 2013 - 01:59 .

[Cyonan]

There is no need to calculate skill.

We're all scrubs who rely on crutches anyway.

[n7stormreaver]

Well, in my case it's 128.(Used more correct numbers since i was playing several accounts) Am i good enough for you?

I also think that if you take that as measure, every crutch used during game adds +50% skill to that, so despite having 128, in my games it used to be somewhere aroun 400 each time.

Modifié par Praise_the_Volus, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:12 .

[MGW7]

OperatingWookie wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

So mine would be
...
169 113.62?
How does this even work, it doesn't seem overly usefull

Are you sure you calculated it right?

Because that's two numbers.

one number, with a space between thousands for easy reading, and sqrt mean square route correct? wait, forgot to divide by # games.
71

Modifié par MGW7, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:05 .

[n7stormreaver]

MGW7 wrote...

71

I am better than you, scrub. :innocent:

[ComradeShepard7]

So what you are saying is that I should grind challenges, never promote, or make games drag out as long as possible in order to increase my skill?

[GordianKnot42]

And by the way, I read the entire opening post in the voice of Bioshock's Andrew Ryan.

[Red Panda]

ComradeShepard7 wrote...

So what you are saying is that I should grind challenges, never promote, or make games drag out as long as possible in order to increase my skill?

This way you can compare yourself fairly to the "best of the best" players on the leaderboards and see how you measure up.  It's so easy and fun.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:11 .

[I Am Robot]

XFG-65 wrote...

I am the second best player in the world, my N7 currently stands at 53000. That's all you need to know in order to determine my skill level.

Who's the best player?

[Happy Shepard]

Meh.

All we'd really need to do is have somebody simply make up a "one skill" prototype and distribute copies amongst the community. Then we kill that person because he is an elitist and reject the elitist prototype. We'd then try to use the 1000th of that "one skill" but after a while we'd admit that it's completely inconvenient and go back to "one skill". After 100 years we will meet and compare the copies but realize that every single prototype shows different data due to unknown changes in gravity and we're still not closer to the answer.

Then, in 200 years, somebody will attempt to calculate it through atoms. Sounds promising, right?

Modifié par Happy Shepard, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:13 .

[Red Panda]

Happy Shepard wrote...

Meh.

All we'd really need to do is have somebody create a "one skill" prototype and distribute copies amongst the community.Then we kill that person because he is an elitist and reject the elitist prototype. We'd then try to use the 1000th of that "one skill" but after a while we'd admit that it's completely inconvenient and go back to "one skill". After 100 years we will go back and compare the copies and realize that every single prototype shows different data and we're still not closer to the answer.

Then, in 200 years, somebody will attempt to calculate it through atoms. Sounds Promising, right?

Let's not get avogardo's fudge factor involved hopefully.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:13 .

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

XFG-65 wrote...

So let me see if I understand you correctly. Your definition of rejection is exemplified by Bioware's announcement of an N7 day. A whole day dedicated to N7. A day where Bioware's employees will take some time out to recognise those at the top of the N7 leaderboard. And you're speaking about N7 in terms of rejection and disgrace?

You're at odds with Bioware about N7. I'm with Bioware on this one.

Yeah, you're off your rocker.

Modifié par FatherOfPearl, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:14 .

[ComradeShepard7]

XFG-65 wrote...

I am the second best player in the world, my N7 currently stands at 53000. That's all you need to know in order to determine my skill level.

Coming in second once again we have

Modifié par ComradeShepard7, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:22 .