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[Excella Gionne]

I sometimes don't take anything except for that non-consumable gear. I like to do that only if I'm comfortable with my character and the weapons.

[The Last]

DHKany wrote...

Consumables were made to be "consumed"

And isnt it up to the person whether they "consume" it or not?

[Excella Gionne]

Dolun wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Consumables were made to be "consumed"

And isnt it up to the person whether they "consume" it or not?

It's up to you, but that depends on the difficulty. Yes, some people are super worried about how you'll do in a match without consumables, but you'll have to deal with that. I might slap on a ammo powers, but that'd be the least of it.

[The Last]

johnnythao89 wrote...

Dolun wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Consumables were made to be "consumed"

And isnt it up to the person whether they "consume" it or not?

It's up to you, but that depends on the difficulty. Yes, some people are super worried about how you'll do in a match without consumables, but you'll have to deal with that. I might slap on a ammo powers, but that'd be the least of it.

Completely understandable, as i said, i wouldn't mind slapping on something to "ease minds" but its still not gonna affect me killing things the way i do.

I was actually told to put on consumables in THAT scenario, and that was a while back now, was never actually in multiple lobbies that kicked for no consumables, and still did well. Apparently people in BSN is more strict on consumables than the actual lobbies themselves.

[Excella Gionne]

Hahaha! Yeah, to some, I guess. If it seems like a person can handle themselves without consumables then I won't mind at all. I never send a msg or talk with my mic to tell the other person to gear up. If they die a lot because they didn't take consumables, then that's there own fault. I'll let them bleed out.

[OniGanon]

Using no consumables in a Gold PUG tells me that:

a) you do not have the resources to use consumables every Gold game, because you're an idiot Bronze/Silver noob that buys nothing but 99k packs every second extraction when you should still be buying Vet Packs, and you're here to leech above your level.

or you're too lazy, too stingy, or just otherwise disinclined to give your best effort for the team's success, in a team based multiplayer game. Because it's really important you keep stockpiling those resources that you're never going to run out of.

Either way, even if you somehow top the scoreboard, you're scum and I would kick every one of you if not for the fact that I'm forced to put up with at least one of you if I ever want to find a goddamn game in a reasonable time frame.

Not that I can actually remember anyone without equipment topping the scoreboard, or occupying any position other than 'waaaaay behind the two guys using equipment.'

[The Last]

Fair enough, if a person is comfortable with their loadout and damage it shouldnt be a problem, if not,why not slap some consumables in there.

But seriously, if i can BE something and 1 hit them, its not gonna make a difference with a power amp mod, they'd still be a 1 hit, same way the brute would be hit for 2-3 more bars in armor, he'd have less health, but he would still be a 2 shot.

Same with survivability, if ur arse is hanging out for the geth they gonna kill your shields faster than you can even blink anyways.

Only reason you'd need consumables is if you don't like ur damage or survivability without them.

[dasfranken]

Power damage does not effect biotic explosion damage. It's based off of the power ranks used to create the explosion, and any detonation specific evolutions.

Power amps/passive damage will make each power hit harder individually, but the explosion damage will remain the same.

[The Last]

OniGanon wrote...

Using no consumables in a Gold PUG tells me that:

a) you do not have the resources to use consumables every Gold game, because you're an idiot Bronze/Silver noob that buys nothing but 99k packs every second extraction when you should still be buying Vet Packs, and you're here to leech above your level.

or you're too lazy, too stingy, or just otherwise disinclined to give your best effort for the team's success, in a team based multiplayer game. Because it's really important you keep stockpiling those resources that you're never going to run out of.

Either way, even if you somehow top the scoreboard, you're scum and I would kick every one of you if not for the fact that I'm forced to put up with at least one of you if I ever want to find a goddamn game in a reasonable time frame.

Not that I can actually remember anyone without equipment topping the scoreboard, or occupying any position other than 'waaaaay behind the two guys using equipment.'

Sad to hear your experience with pugs was bad. but hey, if you can assume all of that just because they don't put on consumables then it says something.

a) you automatically assume they don't have resources, maybe they do, maybe they don't but the thing is...the consumables you put on before the match starts is not as useful as the weapons and class syncnorization the player has. If the class in question doesnt need consumables, then it doesnt need them.

you assume they are too lazy, too stingy, and wont give their best effort, worst assumption to make since those same people could be doubling your score that game or clutching your wave if you get sync killed

Consumable equipment you put on before the match is not the same as medigels, missles, or ops packs

the equipment that can clear spawns, save you when you are near death, and revive yourself when no one can reach you is what matters

Modifié par Dolun, 28 octobre 2013 - 07:50 .

[The Last]

dasfranken wrote...

Power damage does not effect biotic explosion damage. It's based off of the power ranks used to create the explosion, and any detonation specific evolutions.

Power amps/passive damage will make each power hit harder individually, but the explosion damage will remain the same.

yeh appreciate clearing that up, forgot about that lol

[OniGanon]

Do you leave one of your gun mod slots empty if you don't particularly need anything in the second slot? Because 'lulz I can top the scoreboard without it so why bother?'

Modifié par OniGanon, 28 octobre 2013 - 07:51 .

[Mask of Apathy]

OniGanon wrote...

Do you leave one of your gun mod slots empty if you don't particularly need anything in the second slot? Because 'lulz I can top the scoreboard without it so why bother?'

Mods don't disappear after one round so you cant use them when you really need them.  If I only have 4 of a Lvl 4 consumable you can bet I'm not going to put them on for pugging on Gold.

[OniGanon]

So use a Level III. And if you're low on them too, use a Level II. And if you're low on those too, use a difference consumable. And if you're running out of all them too, then stop buying bloody 99k packs and go with a SP + VP every game.

[The Last]

Here's the thing now ur going from "consumables" to "permanent" mods, they aren't the same thing, they are reusable and you don't have to apply them every match.

Topping the scoreboard means nothing to me, i don't get any more credits than the next guy, I actually love it when people top me, because it shows i won't be clutching waves.

Just saying a person with consumable equipment on can be equally as bad/good as a person without consumables, so making those assumptions you just made will be you losing a potentially good player, although its not my problem..

[OniGanon]

But they are the same thing, because you should be getting consumables at a rate faster than you can use them. If this is not true, you're either failing games far too often, or you're making poor decisions in the store.

You don't need to tell me that a person not using consumables is theoretically possible to be a good player, even if experience shows the odds of this happening to be bugger all.

Modifié par OniGanon, 28 octobre 2013 - 08:12 .

[Mask of Apathy]

OniGanon wrote...

But they are the same thing, because you should be getting consumables at a rate faster than you can use them. If this is not true, you're either failing games far too often, or you're making poor decisions in the store.

Or the third possibility: We are saving up for the Troll Store RNG trying to get URs and if we keep blowing credits on consumables we'll never get there. If I have all rares at X, decent challange points amount, a level 20 character, and what appears to be a good setup (say SI with BW or Widow or any sniper rifle along with an Operative Package V gear)  but I choose not to use any consumables; you should not assume that I am either a scrub or not invested in making sure the match goes well. There are plenty of scrubs that fully load up that end up doing terribly. But, if you'd rather have stuff them into a backpack and carry them through the entire match rather than get over the fact that someone is competent enough to hold their own without using consumables then best of luck to you, you'll need it.

[Schachmatt123]

Dolun wrote...

Here's the thing now ur going from "consumables" to "permanent" mods, they aren't the same thing, they are reusable and you don't have to apply them every match.

Wrong. They are in every pack. It's impossible to ran out of them if you are as good as you claim you are.

And even so, what's the problem if you ran out of them? You are so leet, you can outscore clueless pug's on gold without them (like I can do and every other person here, too).  No need to be afraid, eh?

Consumables are part of the game. Learn how to use them. Every good or great player I've run into so far does use them. Do they need them to extract or play well? Of course not. They use them because they can.

Modifié par Schachmatt, 28 octobre 2013 - 08:36 .

[The Last]

OniGanon wrote...

But they are the same thing, because you should be getting consumables at a rate faster than you can use them. If this is not true, you're either failing games far too often, or you're making poor decisions in the store.

You don't need to tell me that a person not using consumables is theoretically possible to be a good player, even if experience shows the odds of this happening to be bugger all.

not the same thing, i get your point theoretically, but in factual terms no. 
As i said, as far as your experiences go, its all assumptions, while you say the person not using consumables is going to be a bad player. I can also assume the person using consumables is going to do equally as bad or worse than the person who doesn't use them
Tell me, is the consumables more of a symbol of commitment to you than a good weapon or class/weapon sync? 
If so you would take a guy with an avenger IV with consumables over a particle rifle x without consumables, i guess the avenger will make a nice massage for the brutes..

[OniGanon]

Those poor decisions in the store that might, MIGHT allow you to run out of consumable equipment? They're the same poor decisions that will see you run out of Rockets, Clips, Ops and Gels.

Or are you super stingy with those as well?

[cato potato]

johnnythao89 wrote...

Google Chrome > Firefox

I don't particularly like Chrome and I definitely don't like Google. They recently tweaked the page ranking system to downrank any site which has been reported to have copyrighted material on it without the owners consent (think torrents websites etc.).

Only one site on the whole of the web is exempt from this downrank; it also happens to have more copyrighted material illegally on it than any other site on the internet; Google also happens to own the site.

[The Last]

Schachmatt wrote...

Dolun wrote...

Here's the thing now ur going from "consumables" to "permanent" mods, they aren't the same thing, they are reusable and you don't have to apply them every match.

Wrong. They are in every pack. It's impossible to ran out of them if you are as good as you claim you are.

And even so, what's the problem if you ran out of them? You are so leet, you can outscore clueless pug's on gold without them (like I can do and every other person here, too). No need to be afraid, eh?

Consumables are part of the game. Learn how to use them. Every good or great player I've run into so far does use them. Do they need them to extract or play well? Of course not. They use them because they can.

I can turn that around and say.....

wrong  "certain ones" are in every pack, ur not gonna get a warp ammo IV outta every pack you get, but ur guaranteed to get a medigel or missle out of them if you arent stocked yet.

And even so, what's the problem if i don't use them? I can outscore clueless pugs on gold without them. No need to be afraid indeed.

Consumables are part of the game, whether i use them or not is my choice, learn to accept that. Every good or great player i ran into so far doesn't need or use them. Do they need them to extract or play well? Of course not. They don't use them because they don't need them, and they dont put them on because they choose not to, you wanna know why? Because they can.

Anyways off to bed, nice discussion.

[OniGanon]

A person with an Avenger IV is either a total Bronze noobcake, or is someone who switched platforms. But I would guess the former. And it is incredibly rare to find anyone using a genuine Level X UR not using consumables.

However, if it's a choice between some guy using nothing but a PPRX and someone using a TGI with Avenger X + Clip + EB, Warfighter, AR Rail III, AP IV and Adrenaline/Power Amp, I would not be shocked at all if the latter guy kicked everyone's arse.

Modifié par OniGanon, 28 octobre 2013 - 08:46 .

[JohnBorrows]

http://social.biowar...lun&platform=pc
Is this the reason You dont use equips?

[OniGanon]

Nah dude, his profile says PS3.

[Doni]

I usually don't mind if it's gold. I might ask if they're using a stupid loadout, but otherwise, meh, gold.

On plat I usually insist that everyone use at least *something* in all slots.

Modifié par Scruffaluphagus, 28 octobre 2013 - 09:40 .