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[The Last]

ManRightChea wrote...

Dolun wrote...

Nah i'm just stating in general man, not to loud you out. As far as i see all of these are valid points in why people should use them.

Depends on what you say by "many". If i ask on the forums, " You must wear consumables" pops up on every single post there is except a minority, but when you go ingame people are less strict about what they do.

That right there interests me, because that would mean that the forums is the minority while the majority of players who don't care either way don't even post on the forums and just play the game.

Why is the 2 so different i wonder.

Well forum goers represent a small, dedicated community that exists within a given game. For a person to take the time to join a message board and contribute to the community says alot about how much they care about that game. Those people tend to be the ones that have the most invested in that game and therefore want to what it takes to be their best at that game, or in the case of this gaming forums and many others, do what they can to improve or maintain the state of that game and pass their views on directly to the devs.

Forum goers represent the more passionate minority, as there are hundreds of thousands that also play the game but may not be concerned enough or find it necessary to join a forum for that particular game.

That actually explains a lot lol, the pugs i always go in (all i play is Gold)  never minded consumables, but i wondered what the fellow Mass Effect 3 fans thought about it in the forums. I actually assumed it would be more people not minding than actually REQUIRING them to use consumables, but it seems that 1 is the majority on the forums and I get that.

Undeniably this community is the most dedicated in every pug game they go in so i give them credit for that.

No hard feelings to whomever i offended up till now, but i just needed to clear up the misunderstandings that kept going on throughout this thread.

I understand everyone's views but i still don't completely agree with them, but i get it.

Modifié par Dolun, 29 octobre 2013 - 03:03 .

[ManRightChea]

Well Dolun in truth, there are many players in Gold that really don't belong there just yet. While many of the vets here worked their way up to Gold and Plat over time, many newer players simply want the credits, so they go for the harder difficulty right away which I think is a mistake. Many successful Silver games will net far more money that the occasional 1 in 3 successful Gold games that a room o new players will attempt.

Usually unless there is a good player or 2 to help those newer players succeed, they will usually wipe. Therefore most won't equip gear themselves nor care if others equip gear, because they don't have high hopes for the mission to begin with, which is the honest truth of the matter. I am one of the biggest supporters of a person being free to do as they wish as long as it does not harm or seek to lower the experience of another (be it gaming or real life) so I understand. TBH the people that annoy me more than anything are those that think their opinion is more important or valid than someone elses. That being said I also try to understand or tolerate people, especially when experience has made them set in their ways.

BSNers can be stubborn sometimes, but the information here is a boon be it builds, enemy or spawn info, DPS charts, unknown benefits such as warp.incend combo etc. The best way to know how capable someone is to play with them, that being said, in this case people can only go by what experience has shown them.

[The Last]

That still brings me to the original point, why not look at the weapon level and challenge points, that would refrain from any misunderstandings, hell even the Lone Wolf banner i wear shows skill in at least being able to clutch team games if needed. why require consumables when there's other things to tell if the person is experienced and/or committed. Those things tells you from the start how much that person played, and how experienced they are.

Heck you can even look at their manifest, lots more ways to tell than just consumables.

I feel the same as you as far as opinions go, i can accept your opinion, but the fact that you can't accept mine as it was, which was an opinion, led me to ignore commenting on quite a few posts. You post politely and I appreciate that.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

I'd say I'm #3, as most randoms I play with don't equip anything, and I don't care, but personally, I find no reason not to use at least level 1 equipment on Gold +

[ManRightChea]

Dolun wrote...

That still brings me to the original point, why not look at the weapon level and challenge points, that would refrain from any misunderstandings, hell even the Lone Wolf banner i wear shows skill in at least being able to clutch team games if needed. why require consumables when there's other things to tell if the person is experienced and/or committed. Those things tells you from the start how much that person played, and how experienced they are.

Heck you can even look at their manifest, lots more ways to tell than just consumables.

I feel the same as you as far as opinions go, i can accept your opinion, but the fact that you can't accept mine as it was, which was an opinion, led me to ignore commenting on quite a few posts. You post politely and I appreciate that.

You're right, consumables is not the only way to try and determine if someone can hold their own. When dealing with new players, consumable use may not mean much.  I think most longer term players see it more as almost an insurance of sorts.  A player that gears up is alot more likely to try their best, or at the very least they may not leave.  Though I do agree, manifest is the best way to tell experience, as even maxing one UR takes a good bit of play time.

[bondiboy]

I have so many consumables it seems silly not use them. There will be no refund on unused consumables at the end of MP.

[OniGanon]

Dolun wrote...
Funny that the people you talk about, ends up doing more "heavy lifting" than you can imagine in pugs.

Yet again you talk like you're supposed to represent any significant group of people.

You don't. You're one person. One exception to what is damn close to an ironclad rule.

But whatever, you're just going to ignore this post and fail to address its point because I'm totally flaming you.

[The Last]

Ok i'll give it another go.

OniGanon

Alright then, looking at your other post, you state that the "overwhelming majority" of people in pugs who don't use consumables suck.

Essentially you are saying that consumables determines a persons skill level in a pug match without even seeing for yourself what they can do in-game, do what you wish with that mindset but it doesn't mean it is correct.

As it was made clear to me, the people on the forums is a minority of the full player base, most who are very much into "kicking" people from pugs who don't use consumables or don't res them when needed. However, that also means that the "overwhelming majority" of people who are actually in the game NOT posting, could care less if the person equips or not, even if that said person have/don't have consumables on. 
The ones that post here are just very passionate about their games and I understand that. Which is why i am not coming across any players who judge for not putting on consumables in the actual lobbies, they ready up and we play the game. And from my experience, they don't suck, either that or we wouldn't be successfully extracting with very few deaths overall if any. Obviously this comes down to experience, as chances are i had luckier pugs than you did hence why you feel the way you do. 

But who seems more like the bad guy in this scenario? The one who doesnt play with a person based on consumables, or the one who accepts a person regardless of whether they use consumables or not.

None are wrong based off their own experiences, but the former "consumables or no" without justification will make a bad first impression in any lobby.


If you don't judge based off of a temp slot on the loadout screen and we meet in the lobby, i'd be more than happy to play a few games with you.

If you wanna judge me and dont wanna play with me, go ahead, plenty of other pugs out there for you to join and leave. At the end of the day, I still get the credits whether you in my group or not.

Modifié par Dolun, 29 octobre 2013 - 06:51 .

[Tokenusername]

God, why is this still going.

Listen dude, argue all you want but the fact is you can't see how a pug performs in-game before you start the game. As such people need some metric to use to gauge players before spending 40 minutes trying to carry bad players because they gave them the benefit of the doubt.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Just popping in to say that I'll carry any Gold pug for one game regardless of their consumable usage. After that, I re-evaluate them and decide if I need to find a new lobby.

I personally can't stand not having any consumables on, but whatever floats your boat.

Tokenusername wrote...

God, why is this still going.

^

Modifié par FatherOfPearl, 29 octobre 2013 - 07:04 .

[The Last]

Listen dude,

If the person sucks without consumables, chances are you are still going to be carrying a 40 min match even if they put them on.

FatherOfPearl wrote...

Just popping in to say that I'll carry any Gold pug for one game regardless of their consumable usage. After that, I re-evaluate them and decide if I need to find a new lobby.

I personally can't stand not having any consumables on, but whatever floats your boat.

FOP y u stay in meh lobby for 3 games, i apparently suck 

Modifié par Dolun, 29 octobre 2013 - 07:12 .

[Megadux]

b00g13man wrote...

How come I never run into any of these scoreboard topping, non-equipment using, players?

I've seen a couple who came second in scoreboard. But they were always geth troopers or TGI-s.

[cato potato]

According to your manifest Dolun you score an average of 90000 points per game. For someone who claims to play only gold with the occasional plat thrown in that would be a decent average.
But for someone who claims to top-score all the time (even without using consumables) that's a really poor average. So poor in fact that I doubt your claims about your ability in game.

Now obviously score isn't the best metric to evaluate how good a player is but it's the one you keep using so I felt this info was meaningful.

[The Last]

No offense, but I can care less if you doubt my abilities in game, you never played with me, and i never played with you. I know my abilities. 

Score is what i use as an example, since i don't see much else to go by, not something id like to use regularly, but it works i guess.

Its an average, not as accurate since it probably recalls the days when i was still getting used to the multiplayer.

If you care that much about knowing my abilities, the only real way is to see how i do ingame, no need to try and come up with statistics about my manifest.

Modifié par Dolun, 29 octobre 2013 - 08:40 .

[cato potato]

Dolun wrote...

No offense, but I can care less if you doubt my abilities in game, you never played with me, and i never played with you. I know my abilities. 

Score is what i use as an example, since i don't see much else to go by, not something id like to use regularly, but it works i guess.

Its an average, not as accurate since it probably recalls the days when i was still getting used to the multiplayer.

If you care that much about knowing my abilities, the only real way is to see how i do ingame, no need to try and come up with statistics about my manifest.

So you like to use score as an example, but only if it backs up your claims? And it's an average over your last 200 games only so I'd say it is pretty accurate.

Also, I didn't 'come up' with that statistic, I just found it on your manifest.........before you made it private.

Again, I don't really care who uses consumables or not but you shouldn't expect to make a thinly veiled e-peen thread here and escape criticism.

[DisturbedPsic0]

Haha wow this thread is still going. Dolun, here's as blunt as I can put it. It's a cooperative game. If you're not willing to mic up and talk (which you haven't mentioned if you do that I've seen) then people can only judge on what they see. If they see someone ready up without equipping stuff to make them (and therefore the team) better, they aren't going to like it.

Challenge score tells me more than N7. I've played with N7's over 10,000 that stink up the joint. Keep in mind, time invested into the game doesn't determine skill or attitude. Just because you have a Claymore X doesn't mean you're good with it. I look at loadouts as well. That tells me how much they actually know. If I see a PUG with AP ammo on the Adas, I tell them it's a waste. If they don't listen that tells me they don't care, and I want people who care on my team.

I'm not going to sift through peoples manifests while waiting to get a game going. I judge based on what I see, and you're responsible for what people see. If you don't want people to think you're sleezy, don't wear low cut tops and short skirts. If you don't want people to think you're a scrub, put some equipment on.

Modifié par DisturbedPsic0, 29 octobre 2013 - 12:20 .

[Tonymac]

Max Manifest, with 30 million creds in the bank. Why wouln't you use consumables? What, do they cost too much?

[NuclearTech76]

LOL.

OP did you ever consider maybe the reason you score first always is because most people who are good choose to use consumables and not to play with people who do not prepare for the difficulty they're on?

By the way I'm still waiting to see exactly what you're stockpiling level one crap for?

[DHKany]

you're telling me you want to keep the peace, but you called me an uptight ahole.

Look guy, how about you go do your 100% skill no consumable MLG play in ME3, and keep it in ME3. Don't bring your illogical bull**** here and not expect to get shot down.

[Miniditka77]

Dolun wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

Dolun wrote...

Yeah i mean, im not criticizing anyone for their opinions against non consumable users, im just wondering like...you say that no one needs consumables to be effectivein this game, yet people who don't put them on are criticized. If they don't need them then why the hate? Not that i experience this ingame, since most ingame people are quite the opposite and don't care either way.

I just wonder sometimes if the people talking still play with pugs, or play with the BSN "elite" they meet on forums, i'd personally have no problem popping every consumable i have into the matches no matter who is playing as long as i know they want to get it done.

The bolded part shows you are missing the point.  It doesn't matter whether you "need" consumables or not - consumables will ALWAYS make you better.  At a minimum, they will always make the match go more quickly and will make you better equipped to clutch waves if it becomes necessary.  Given that, there is simply no excuse for not using consumables, especially when every decent player has plenty of Level 3 consumables to use.

Fair point, here's a question, how fast do you believe a run is sped up by using consumables in a good run as opposed to not using one, and how much will you speed up a bad run (worst case scenario you are clutching 2+ waves).

The difference between Level 3 consumables and no consumables is significant.  As I said in one of my earlier posts, it can be as large as the difference between Uncommon and top-tier UR weapons.  I think if you're talking everyone using consumables vs. nobody using them, the difference per match is probably at least 5 minutes.  

If it's just one person not using them, it depends on which person and the makeup of the group.  If a scrub leecher isn't using them, it probably won't affect the match time that much.  If it's a great lobby, one person not using them probably won't affect the match time that much.  If there's only 1-2 good players in a lobby and one of them isn't using consumables, it can make a difference of at least a few minutes, possibly even more than 5 minutes if multiple clutching waves are involved.  It could even make a difference between extraction and wiping in some lobbies. 

if I'm in a PUG, I generally assume that there will be 1-2 players who are pretty bad, and I conduct myself accordingly.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 29 octobre 2013 - 05:00 .

[Cohen le Barbare]

 I use consummables because cheese is too good to pass up. After two years, most players have more than they can ever spend. No reason not to waste use them.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Yeah, this one's just making my head hurt.

[Cohen le Barbare]

NuclearTech76 wrote...
By the way I'm still waiting to see exactly what you're stockpiling level one crap for?

Maybe he's building another Crucible?

[The Last]

Ok cato....again, i can care less what you think about my abilities, as much as you make up your "claim" that i don't top scoreboards and go based on an average, that is irrelevant. I am actually DOING it to begin with and i know it as fact. Take that for what you will but again, unless you played with me in-game, keep your criticism to yourself.

DHK: that is exactly how you sound by every post you make, i'm done replying to you

Nuc:.Or did you realize that they never left my games and the ones who would actually do that are only on the forums? And if you learned to read, i use my lvl 1-3 consumables occasionally, it is not your call on how often i use them.

Minid: Well said, no counterargument.