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[megabeast37215]

Pugs don't use consumables because they expect to lose.. plain and simple. They don't want to risk anything 'valuable' on a lost match... And since they expect to wipe, they don't equip. Then, when they win (typically by being carried) its like a bonus or something.

I think if they thought they'd win (and get paid) more consistently, they'd use more consumables, more regularly.

[AlexMBrennan]

Once again, this problem could easily have been avoided by copying Valve's superior-in-every-way approach: Consumables are only removed if the mission is completed successfully.

[The Last]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Pugs don't use consumables because they expect to lose.. plain and simple. They don't want to risk anything 'valuable' on a lost match... And since they expect to wipe, they don't equip. Then, when they win (typically by being carried) its like a bonus or something.

I think if they thought they'd win (and get paid) more consistently, they'd use more consumables, more regularly.

Yes this falls into the number 2 category of my OP

2: Players who don't trust randoms enough to wear their consumables

They are more likely to play with friends and use them, and when they arent on they play a few games with pugs and don't.

Altho the "being carried" is questionable, some people just genuinely don't trust pugs to succeed, not against them or anything but they are not as trusting that others will put forth the same effort as them to win with or w/o consumables based on experience so they play with friends only with the occasional pug match.

Modifié par Dolun, 29 octobre 2013 - 06:00 .

[Simba501]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Pugs don't use consumables because they expect to lose.. plain and simple. They don't want to risk anything 'valuable' on a lost match... And since they expect to wipe, they don't equip. Then, when they win (typically by being carried) its like a bonus or something. 

I think if they thought they'd win (and get paid) more consistently, they'd use more consumables, more regularly.

I guess I'm in the minority. I don't think pugs see them as valuable (as in, they don't want to risk losing them).  The idea that using consumables is a gesture of commitment is quite silly.  Those who use consumables are no more committed than those who don't.

If they knew their value, most would use them. This view (pugs don't want to risk their consumables) also suggests that they have some knowledge of gameplay mechanics. I argue that they do not.

Modifié par Simba501, 29 octobre 2013 - 06:00 .

[NuclearTech76]

Simba501 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Pugs don't use consumables because they expect to lose.. plain and simple. They don't want to risk anything 'valuable' on a lost match... And since they expect to wipe, they don't equip. Then, when they win (typically by being carried) its like a bonus or something. 

I think if they thought they'd win (and get paid) more consistently, they'd use more consumables, more regularly.

I guess I'm in the minority. I don't think pugs see them as valuable (as in, they don't want to risk losing them).  The idea that using consumables is a gesture of commitment is quite silly.  Those who use consumables are no more committed than those who don't.

If they knew their value, most would use them. This view (pugs don't want to risk their consumables) also suggests that they have some knowledge of gameplay mechanics. I argue that they do not.

All I know is I have alot more people quit that do not use consumables than those that do use consumables. Then again usually the ones who use consumables aren't on their ass bleeding out every wave but hey we have some real expert insight into the mind of a PUG today.

[megabeast37215]

Simba501 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Pugs don't use consumables because they expect to lose.. plain and simple. They don't want to risk anything 'valuable' on a lost match... And since they expect to wipe, they don't equip. Then, when they win (typically by being carried) its like a bonus or something. 

I think if they thought they'd win (and get paid) more consistently, they'd use more consumables, more regularly.

I guess I'm in the minority. I don't think pugs see them as valuable (as in, they don't want to risk losing them).  The idea that using consumables is a gesture of commitment is quite silly.  Those who use consumables are no more committed than those who don't.

If they knew their value, most would use them. This view (pugs don't want to risk their consumables) also suggests that they have some knowledge of gameplay mechanics. I argue that they do not.

That's a somewhat defendable position... Though I don't know how stupid you have to be to not be able to see that Rail Amp III = 30% more gun damage, or that X ammo equals a damage boost, or that X shield gear increases survivability. That doesn't take game knowledge, that takes being able to read and have the deductive reasoning of an elementary school child.

[NuclearTech76]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Simba501 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Pugs don't use consumables because they expect to lose.. plain and simple. They don't want to risk anything 'valuable' on a lost match... And since they expect to wipe, they don't equip. Then, when they win (typically by being carried) its like a bonus or something. 

I think if they thought they'd win (and get paid) more consistently, they'd use more consumables, more regularly.

I guess I'm in the minority. I don't think pugs see them as valuable (as in, they don't want to risk losing them).  The idea that using consumables is a gesture of commitment is quite silly.  Those who use consumables are no more committed than those who don't.

If they knew their value, most would use them. This view (pugs don't want to risk their consumables) also suggests that they have some knowledge of gameplay mechanics. I argue that they do not.

That's a somewhat defendable position... Though I don't know how stupid you have to be to not be able to see that Rail Amp III = 30% more gun damage, or that X ammo equals a damage boost, or that X shield gear increases survivability. That doesn't take game knowledge, that takes being able to read and have the deductive reasoning of an elementary school child.

Are we sure you're not giving some of the randoms playing this game too much credit?

[Daxamite]

I agree with n t - by and large , pug (esp the host ) is more likely to stick around if they have consumables on , especially if they get stomped and want to rage quit

[Sket]

I suppose the difference is mindset - I expect to extract from every single game I play, or get wave 10 credits minimum, and I genuinely can't remember when that hasn't happened bar being disconnected. So I will always use consumables. OP it seems like no one is going to change your mind on this so keep doing what you're doing.

[Sket]

Simba501 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Pugs don't use consumables because they expect to lose.. plain and simple. They don't want to risk anything 'valuable' on a lost match... And since they expect to wipe, they don't equip. Then, when they win (typically by being carried) its like a bonus or something. 

I think if they thought they'd win (and get paid) more consistently, they'd use more consumables, more regularly.

I guess I'm in the minority. I don't think pugs see them as valuable (as in, they don't want to risk losing them).  The idea that using consumables is a gesture of commitment is quite silly.  Those who use consumables are no more committed than those who don't.

If they knew their value, most would use them. This view (pugs don't want to risk their consumables) also suggests that they have some knowledge of gameplay mechanics. I argue that they do not.

If they know enough to equip something in the permanent gear slot, then they should be sensible enough to know that consumables will also add to their efficiency in some way. I rarely see anyone with any decent amount of playtime without the Perma gear slot occupied, so ignorance of game mechanics doesn't explain this non-consumable use to me. All in all I pretty much agree with what Mega says here.

[thewornkey]

I am definitely number 3.  I just play to have fun and I only worry about the permanent gear bonus.  However, I usually play on bronze or silver right now (used to play on ps3 but now I don't have it and I'm still learning how to play on a pc) but back when I did play gold and platinum I would usually use consumables because I'm not the best player in the world so it gave me a fighting chance and others would get upset if I didn't use them.

[ManRightChea]

Totally agreed Sketfish, that being said, there are some responses in here that make me realize just how many douchey people play ME3. While I had a different viewpoint than OP, I have never been the sort of person to feel the need to insult or attack someone for an opposing opinion. From reading these responses it seems many people here were either not raised properly or think the Sun shines out of their ass.

[cato potato]

Dolun wrote...

Ok cato....again, i can care less what you think about my abilities, as much as you make up your "claim" that i don't top scoreboards and go based on an average, that is irrelevant. I am actually DOING it to begin with and i know it as fact. Take that for what you will but again, unless you played with me in-game, keep your criticism to yourself.

You score an average of 90000 points per match, therefore you don't top score every game you play in or anywhere near that. But like I've already said score is a poor metric to judge a player by.

I don't really care about score or consumables but if you make thinly veiled e-peen threads like this one then you'll get a lot of deserved criticism from a lot of people, not just me.

Bear in mind the only thing I'm criticising you for is this thread, so no, I won't keep it to myself.

[DHKany]

If you actually were done replying to me you wouldn't have written anything at all.

Having a "I'm better than you" attitude won't get you very far.

[mybudgee]

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[megabeast37215]

DHKany wrote...

If you actually were done replying to me you wouldn't have written anything at all.

Having a "I'm better than you" attitude won't get you very far.

It'll make me better than you in my own mind... Which is like, the only mind that matters obvs!

[The Last]

cato_84 wrote...

You score an average of 90000 points per match, therefore you don't top score every game you play in or anywhere near that. But like I've already said score is a poor metric to judge a player by.

I don't really care about score or consumables but if you make thinly veiled e-peen threads like this one then you'll get a lot of deserved criticism from a lot of people, not just me.

Bear in mind the only thing I'm criticising you for is this thread, so no, I won't keep it to myself.

Lot of deserved critisizm? You are criticizing me based on an average you are already saying is a poor metric to judge a player by. My score varies by the kits i use and whether or not i am trying a new class or not.

Do i top scoreboards all the time? No

Do i top scoreboards most of the time? Yes

You are now assuming i don't even come close to topscoring which is a false assumption since you don't know me, i don't know you, and we never seen each other play.

If you see this as an "e-peen" thread you already made your assumption and lost the point of the topic. You don't see me evaluating your skill or anyones skill in this thread at all now do you? Either you seen me play, or your speculation matters little to me. So if you would do the courtesy of not making false assumptions against what I know is fact, we would be better off that way and can get back on topic. 

Thank You.

[Wizard of Ox]

cato_84 wrote...

You score an average of 90000 points per match, therefore you don't top score every game you play in or anywhere near that. But like I've already said score is a poor metric to judge a player by.

cato pls, 90k is more than enough to topscore silver pugs. And, no matter how flawed the scoring system is, that average is really poor. But it isn't much of a surprise is it? 

[OrcWhisperer]

You know what would solve this? A friendly duel. Someone throw down a gauntlet.

[The Last]

ManRightChea wrote...

Totally agreed Sketfish, that being said, there are some responses in here that make me realize just how many douchey people play ME3. While I had a different viewpoint than OP, I have never been the sort of person to feel the need to insult or attack someone for an opposing opinion. From reading these responses it seems many people here were either not raised properly or think the Sun shines out of their ass.

Glad you noticed.

Now on that note, I came in here thinking everyone on me3 forums would be a nice group to chat with and share opinions, but from my experience with dealing with the forums so far, i should assume everyone on the me3 forums are douche's right?

Or should I NOT judge based on an individual group of people that post here.

[OrcWhisperer]

Dolun wrote...

ManRightChea wrote...

Totally agreed Sketfish, that being said, there are some responses in here that make me realize just how many douchey people play ME3. While I had a different viewpoint than OP, I have never been the sort of person to feel the need to insult or attack someone for an opposing opinion. From reading these responses it seems many people here were either not raised properly or think the Sun shines out of their ass.

Glad you noticed.

Now on that note, I came in here thinking everyone on me3 forums would be a nice group to chat with and share opinions, but from my experience with dealing with the forums so far, i should assume everyone on the me3 forums are douche's right?

Or should I NOT judge based on an individual group of people that post here.

I think it is the mix of douche's/e-peen grippers/helpful people/trolls/very small children that gives this forum it's unique charm.  Also, the playerbase of ME3 is much larger than what is represented here.  Most of the people I play with don't even know there IS a forum.  I find most of the people that post here are fairly normal, but occasionally let their manners slip, as it is the internet.  And I sort of like arguing with people, so that may be why I hang around.

[Taorgax]

Type 3 these days. I mostly play Gold with friends, and get 1 or 2 pugs to fill the remaining slots. We'll let anyone join if they bring half decent weapons/loadouts and let them stay in the lobby as long as they're not a complete failure. If they're being detrimental in some way, say, lone-wolfing it but failing miserably at it, they're getting kicked at the end of the round for sure.

That being said, my experience matches most people's here: most players who don't use even lvl 1 equipment are, much more often than not, absolutely terrible, so don't take it personally, it's just that you're very much an outlier as far as the typical "no equipment pug" goes.

Also, as you have noticed from your experience, there's plenty of people who still struggle with Gold and have a very "serious business" attitude towards it. These people need all the help they can get, and of course seeing some guy joining with no equipment at all is gonna ruffle some feathers. Try seeing it from their perspective as well.

[cato potato]

Dolun wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

You score an average of 90000 points per match, therefore you don't top score every game you play in or anywhere near that. But like I've already said score is a poor metric to judge a player by.

I don't really care about score or consumables but if you make thinly veiled e-peen threads like this one then you'll get a lot of deserved criticism from a lot of people, not just me.

Bear in mind the only thing I'm criticising you for is this thread, so no, I won't keep it to myself.

Lot of deserved critisizm? You are criticizing me based on an average you are already saying is a poor metric to judge a player by. My score varies by the kits i use and whether or not i am trying a new class or not.

Do i top scoreboards all the time? No

Do i top scoreboards most of the time? Yes

You are now assuming i don't even come close to topscoring which is a false assumption since you don't know me, i don't know you, and we never seen each other play.

If you see this as an "e-peen" thread you already made your assumption and lost the point of the topic. You don't see me evaluating your skill or anyones skill in this thread at all now do you? Either you seen me play, or your speculation matters little to me. So if you would do the courtesy of not making false assumptions against what I know is fact, we would be better off that way and can get back on topic. 

Thank You.

No, like I wrote in my post above, I'm only criticising you for this thread, not your score or your skill level, whatever that may be.

True, you're not evaluating anyone else's skill. But no-one else except you has claimed to regularly top-score without using consumables.

[The Last]

cato_84 wrote...

No, like I wrote in my post above, I'm only criticising you for this thread, not your score or your skill level, whatever that may be.

True, you're not evaluating anyone else's skill. But no-one else except you has claimed to regularly top-score without using consumables.

Alright i understand where you were misled.

The thread is about "what type of player are you and why". I simply gave an experience i had a while back when i was dealing with pugs.

Nowhere in the OP did i speak of anything about top-scoring anybody or being better than anyone else.

Someone in the thread somewhere posted that no one could top score without consumables. I simply stated that i do regularly and i gave an example in response to that post in question.

I literally had no desire to continue talking about that, but it kept being brought up as the thread went along.

This is not an "e-peen" thread as you state, i genuinely just want opinions of what everyone thought about the matter.

You seem like a nice and calm individual, i hope we cleared that up.