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[ziloe]

TK514 wrote...

ziloe wrote...

While potentially true, it doesn't make her "evil", which was really just the point I was getting at. And if you romance her, she softens up a bit as well.

What?  How is leaving your allies, and potentially a city full of people and beyond, to die because you don't get your way NOT evil?  

Had ad she been merely angry with the Waprden and said "I'll help stop the Blight, but after that we're done", you might have a point.  She's selfish and angry there, but at least thinking of others.  She doesn't.  If you tell her no, she completely abandons Denerim and your party to the Darkspawn, and if the city dies and the World suffers, too bad.  Her wants are all that matters.  This is the case, even if romanced.

Life with Flemeth is all she's known most of her life. She's still a young girl back then, and having little else, it's understandable that she might be slightly irrational, even then. 

Regardless, she has her own goals. She's not your puppet to string along. And so just because she disagrees with your choice and walks out on everything, that doesn't make her evil. 

Modifié par ziloe, 04 novembre 2013 - 03:10 .

[Schneidend]

HiroVoid wrote...

I disagree with that since her argument is more one of contempt for allowing themselves to continue to be caged.  She's saying their weak in will and mind for never standing up rather than in the power of their magic.

Being weak in will and mind IS being weak in magic.

[HiroVoid]

Schneidend wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

I disagree with that since her argument is more one of contempt for allowing themselves to continue to be caged.  She's saying their weak in will and mind for never standing up rather than in the power of their magic.

Being weak in will and mind IS being weak in magic.

-.- Figured someone would say that, but what I"m saying is she's not being SPECIFIC to them being weak in will and mind in magic as much as she believes them weak because they submit to the chantry's will.  She states to let the mages burn not because she thinks we should just get the templar's help instead, but because she thinks it's what they deserve for never rising up.

.....Also, last I checked, you could make a mage with 100 magic and 15 willpower. 

[Schneidend]

HiroVoid wrote...

-.- Figured someone would say that, but what I"m saying is she's not being SPECIFIC to them being weak in will and mind in magic as much as she believes them weak because they submit to the chantry's will.  She states to let the mages burn not because she thinks we should just get the templar's help instead, but because she thinks it's what they deserve for never rising up.

And if they don't have the backbone to rise up against humans, they certainly don't have the backbone to face down a horde of monsters. Like I said, it's not a huge leap. Morrigan doesn't present this logic explicitly, you're right, but it's not like she wouldn't agree with it if it were presented to her.

.....Also, last I checked, you could make a mage with 100 magic and 15 willpower. 

You could. He'd run out of mana in seconds, however. Not a particularly attractive quality in a mage you want to help you fight for hours at a time against wave after wave of mutant barbarians.

[ziloe]

^ I was considered them more like Dragon Age's Orcs.

[HiroVoid]

Schneidend wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

-.- Figured someone would say that, but what I"m saying is she's not being SPECIFIC to them being weak in will and mind in magic as much as she believes them weak because they submit to the chantry's will.  She states to let the mages burn not because she thinks we should just get the templar's help instead, but because she thinks it's what they deserve for never rising up.

And if they don't have the backbone to rise up against humans, they certainly don't have the backbone to face down a horde of monsters. Like I said, it's not a huge leap. Morrigan doesn't present this logic explicitly, you're right, but it's not like she wouldn't agree with it if it were presented to her.

.....Also, last I checked, you could make a mage with 100 magic and 15 willpower. 

You could. He'd run out of mana in seconds, however. Not a particularly attractive quality in a mage you want to help you fight for hours at a time against wave after wave of mutant barbarians.

Then you agree that wasn't what Morrigan meant at the time when she said to let them die.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 04 novembre 2013 - 07:24 .

[TK514]

ziloe wrote...

Life with Flemeth is all she's known most of her life. She's still a young girl back then, and having little else, it's understandable that she might be slightly irrational, even then. 

Regardless, she has her own goals. She's not your puppet to string along. And so just because she disagrees with your choice and walks out on everything, that doesn't make her evil. 

Bull.  She's not a young girl by any stretch of the imagination, and she's been away from the swamp for a year, living with non-swamp dwellers of many types, and experiencing countless others.  There is no way you can claim inexperience at this point.

Which is irrelevant, in any case.  If you can abandon innocents to die, or worse, by the Darkspawn, just because you don't get your way, you are most certainly evil.  Morrigan only cares about Morrigan, and the rest of the world is nothing more than tools of various usefulness to get what she wants.   Even if you romance her, the state at which she should put your desires at least equal to her own, she discards you because you ultimately were just a means to an end.

[Nightdragon8]

TK514 wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Life with Flemeth is all she's known most of her life. She's still a young girl back then, and having little else, it's understandable that she might be slightly irrational, even then. 

Regardless, she has her own goals. She's not your puppet to string along. And so just because she disagrees with your choice and walks out on everything, that doesn't make her evil. 

Bull.  She's not a young girl by any stretch of the imagination, and she's been away from the swamp for a year, living with non-swamp dwellers of many types, and experiencing countless others.  There is no way you can claim inexperience at this point.

Which is irrelevant, in any case.  If you can abandon innocents to die, or worse, by the Darkspawn, just because you don't get your way, you are most certainly evil.  Morrigan only cares about Morrigan, and the rest of the world is nothing more than tools of various usefulness to get what she wants.   Even if you romance her, the state at which she should put your desires at least equal to her own, she discards you because you ultimately were just a means to an end.

yes because without this 1 mage, everything would fall apart, and the world would be doomed forever....

please....

she isn't "evil" she just doesn't care, if you consider people who "don't give a #@$" to evil then fine in your eyes she is evil and we can get off this topic.

how you judge people is your own personal way of judgeing them. good luck changing anyone's mind over the internet.

I don't think she is evil she has a more animalistic view of the world. The strong live the weak die. Its not evil cause thats how nature is.

[Schneidend]

HiroVoid wrote...
Then you agree that wasn't what Morrigan meant at the time when she said to let them die.

I certainly agree that she didn't say that explicitly. However, it's implied, given that if she thought they might be useful she would likely not have advocated their destruction. Darwinian schemers don't tend to waste resources.

[BronzTrooper]

The Templars broke away from the Chantry along with the Seekers of Truth so the mages are only fighting the Chantry itself. The Templars are staying out of it.

[ziloe]

Gamer072196 wrote...

The Templars broke away from the Chantry along with the Seekers of Truth so the mages are only fighting the Chantry itself. The Templars are staying out of it.

I'm not so sure about that, considering we now have "Red" templars. Pretty sure they've been getting into some ugly stuff (i.e worshipping demons ala last part of DA2), to get an advantage against anyone else, i.e mages, etc.

[ziloe]

Schneidend wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...
Then you agree that wasn't what Morrigan meant at the time when she said to let them die.

I certainly agree that she didn't say that explicitly. However, it's implied, given that if she thought they might be useful she would likely not have advocated their destruction. Darwinian schemers don't tend to waste resources.

We also have to remember that she spent a lot of time transformed as an animal herself, watching how the animal world worked.