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[MWImexico]

I suppose those choices can be justified one way or another depending on the type of warden you incarnate. Personaly, I can't picture my warden asking the help of Eamon right after having abandoned his village, but that's my subjective point of vue. Yet I understand that, when you choose to incarnate a warden who has a "good" alignement, there is no need to think your choices that much, moraly speaking, this is the highway.

[David7204]

David7204 wrote...

The idea that the player 'earns' a good ending for their character is a fallacy that only leads to dead ends.

It doesn't matter if you're an Olympian supermodel with sevens Ph.D and breeze through the game on the super-ultra extra hardest difficult, or a basement-dwelling intellectually challenged societal reject who struggles over and over to complete the game on the easiest setting.

You get the exact. same. story.

The player character is just as brave. Just as competent. Just as attractive. Just as intelligent. Just as strong.

The simple truth that so many people on this forum seem vehemently opposed to is that the qualities of the character flow from the character. Never from the player.

Mr.House wrote...
Play more games.

dreamgazer wrote...
Please, for the love of all that's decent in this realm, play Dragon Age: Origins.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Have you never played a roleplaying game?

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
With video-games, most specifically ROLEPLAYING-games, this is not at all the case. That's just a simple fact that you vehemently oppose and just don't want to understand.

Is this the best argument the BSN can give me?

A simple question. Do you deny that there are ugly, weak, unintelligent, unskilled (in any and every combination) players who play attractive, competent, intelligent strong chracters in role playing games?

Modifié par David7204, 30 octobre 2013 - 11:47 .

[The Heretic of Time]

David7204 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Play more games.

dreamgazer wrote...
Please, for the love of all that's decent in this realm, play Dragon Age: Origins.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Have you never played a roleplaying game?

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
With video-games, most specifically ROLEPLAYING-games, this is not at all the case. That's just a simple fact that you vehemently oppose and just don't want to understand.

Is this the best argument the BSN can give me?

4 arguments that are all better and more solid than any of the nonsensical drivel you've posted. Your very ignorant and limited vision gives me the impression you haven't played many games, especially not roleplaying games. You don't really seem to know what you're talking about. 

On the other hand, we do know what we're talking about, and we often back up our solid arguments with solid examples from good roleplaying games. But since you haven't played any games other than Mass Effect, you often don't have a clue what you - or we - are talking about, and just repeat your own very ignorant and limited view on games, based on your very limited experience with them, which makes arguing with you rather frustrating.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 30 octobre 2013 - 11:50 .

[LPPrince]

Estelindis wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Had I known from the beginning(Mass 1) that I wouldn't get the happy ending I wanted at the end of the series, I wouldn't of wasted my time.

So it depends. Character investment is a factor worth considering, along with loads of other things that can affect a stance on the matter of forced death.

Its down to each individual person, so I guess you win some, you lose some.

I think that genre expectations play a role.  From the start, Dragon Age felt like a darker, grittier universe to me.  As heartbreaking as my bittersweet ending in DA:O was, it made sense in the world where it happened.  By contrast, the upbeat endings of ME1 and ME2 consoled me.  They gave me a sense of a lighter, brighter universe.  Even though the Reapers were a huge danger, the games seemed to say, there is hope to overcome any obstacle if the people of the galaxy work together.  Building up the horrendous destructive power of the Reapers and showing the devastation they caused in ME3, I kept feeling that this just meant we had to dig down deeper, that hope could still survive.  At times, things got so bad that me and my Shepard even started to doubt this.  But then, instead of bringing us to a triumph of hope in spite of these awful moments of despair, the ending said to me that all along I really did have no power, that inter-species cooperation really did offer no hope, that galactic civilization could only survive by the consent of and according to the ancient architect of genocide.  It wouldn't have come as such a slap in the face if the previous games hadn't already engineered me to hope for a happy ending in spite of all the dangers.  Mass Effect 3 gave a darker ending than either DA:O or DA2, which seemed from the start to be presented as darker universes.  I think this is part of why the endings of DA:O and DA2 were more successful than ME3, because they were thematically appropriate.

I'm with you on that one. Good read.

[Mr.House]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Play more games.

dreamgazer wrote...
Please, for the love of all that's decent in this realm, play Dragon Age: Origins.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Have you never played a roleplaying game?

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
With video-games, most specifically ROLEPLAYING-games, this is not at all the case. That's just a simple fact that you vehemently oppose and just don't want to understand.

Is this the best argument the BSN can give me?

4 arguments that are all better and more solid than any of the nonsensical drivel you've posted. Your very ignorant and limited vision gives me the impression you haven't played many games, especially not roleplaying games. You don't really seem to know what you're talking about. 

On the other hand, we do know what we're talking about, and we often back up our solid arguments with solid examples from good roleplaying games. But since you haven't played any games other than Mass Effect, you often don't have a clue what you - or we - are talking about, and just repeat your own very ignorant and limited view on games, based on your very limited experience with them, which makes arguing with you rather frustrating.

*claps*

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

A simple question. Do you deny that there are ugly, weak, unintelligent, unskilled (in any and every combination) players who play attractive, competent, intelligent strong chracters in role playing games?

That has nothing to do with earning your good ending, along with some examples that have been posted here that you choose to ignore because as always you refuse to admit you're wrong and argue in a forum for a game series that you have never even played because you seem to think DA is like the ME series.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Mr.House wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Play more games.

dreamgazer wrote...
Please, for the love of all that's decent in this realm, play Dragon Age: Origins.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Have you never played a roleplaying game?

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
With video-games, most specifically ROLEPLAYING-games, this is not at all the case. That's just a simple fact that you vehemently oppose and just don't want to understand.

Is this the best argument the BSN can give me?

4 arguments that are all better and more solid than any of the nonsensical drivel you've posted. Your very ignorant and limited vision gives me the impression you haven't played many games, especially not roleplaying games. You don't really seem to know what you're talking about. 

On the other hand, we do know what we're talking about, and we often back up our solid arguments with solid examples from good roleplaying games. But since you haven't played any games other than Mass Effect, you often don't have a clue what you - or we - are talking about, and just repeat your own very ignorant and limited view on games, based on your very limited experience with them, which makes arguing with you rather frustrating.

*claps*

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think you should play the games, David.

Hang on. David has not actually played the games?

[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think you should play the games, David.

Hang on. David has not actually played the games?

David has not played any of the DA games.

[The Heretic of Time]

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

A simple question. Do you deny that there are ugly, weak, unintelligent, unskilled (in any and every combination) players who play attractive, competent, intelligent strong chracters in role playing games?

That has nothing to do with earning your good ending, along with some examples that have been posted here that you choose to ignore because as always you refuse to admit you're wrong and argue in a forum for a game series that you have never even played because you seem to think DA is like the ME series.

Exactly.

What the hell are you doing here anyway David? This is the Dragon Age board, in case you haven't noticed yet. You haven't played Dragon Age, and therefor no one is gonna take you seriously when you're gonna talk about Dragon Age or other RPGs (you haven't played) like you're some kind of know-it-all, while you are in fact the very opposite; you're very ignorant and uneducated on the subject.

"Go play Dragon Age" is a very legitimate response towards your ignorant nonsense, considering the fact we are on a Dragon Age board here, discussing Dragon Age primarily, a game series you haven't even played and therefor you have no clue what you're talking about.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 31 octobre 2013 - 12:21 .

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think you should play the games, David.

Hang on. David has not actually played the games?

No. He really hasn't. Nor does he plan to. It's quite the conundrum, isn't it? 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Last I saw he had not played the games. Which makes his constant posting about them and what they are odd.

I like it when he jumps into a DA thread and starts talking about the heroism and characterization of ME.

He's kind of like an adorable random conflict generator.

[In Exile]

EntropicAngel wrote...
Interesting mindset. I'd think that the fact that you're part of an organization you don't know anything about, with only one other surviving member anywhere near you, would cause you to do as they say.

I actually make the same choice as Jimmy. Though with an elf I'll go for the Brecilian Forest or Denerim. 

But I'm not an actual member of the Grey Wardens. I drank some blood and managed to live, but that is the extent of my Grey Warden-ness. I only ever spoke with two Grey Wardens, one of whom is dead and one of whom runs screaming from leadership. 

And I have to save an entire country in the middle of a coup d'etat from an (apparently) unstoppable army of monsters. I have no reason to believe Alistair knows what he's talking about, and I certainly don't have a reason to believe that Eamon wasn't in on it with Loghain and kept his troops back to get a bigger slice of the pie. 

We know that Teagan opposses Loghain through cutscene magic, but not through anything in-game. 

[Ravensword]

Oh, man. It's hot in here. It must be from all the people who just burned David.

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think you should play the games, David.

Hang on. David has not actually played the games?

No. He really hasn't. Nor does he plan to. It's quite the conundrum, isn't it? 

Does he make a point of criticizing these games often?

[In Exile]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
If your Warden hasn't entirely accepted his or her duty to stop the Blight, he could well choose to go somewhere else first to deal with a personal interest (like an Aeducan Warden returning to Orzammar).  Similarly, I think there's quite a good reason not to go to Redcliffe first, in that the Warden does not have a treaty compelling Redcliffe to help.  Redcliffe is arguably the longest shot among the four destinations, so it might make sense to build some of the army first so that you look vaguely competent before heading to Eamon hat-in-hand.

There's no reason to believe century old treaties matter. If we dug up a military alliance from 1905, it's unlikely we'd get the parties to honour it. The GWs are a bit more of a special case, but the treaty is just a piece of paper anyone can ignore. 

That said, I do agree with the general idea that there's no reason to believe that Eamon (if alive) would be on your side at all. 

I do, however, think that destroying the Anvil of the Void is crazy, and I can't imagine the circumstance under which that would be a good idea. 

If you have an ethical system that basically posits that people can't choose suicide (with a lot of qualifiers), you can make the anvil an a priori sort of evil. 

I can think of others, if you'd like. 

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think you should play the games, David.

Hang on. David has not actually played the games?

No. He really hasn't. Nor does he plan to. It's quite the conundrum, isn't it? 

Does he make a point of criticizing these games often?

No, he doesn't know the actual story, so he makes assumptions on what happened by what happened in Mass Effect. No lie. 

[Steelcan]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think you should play the games, David.

Hang on. David has not actually played the games?

No. He really hasn't. Nor does he plan to. It's quite the conundrum, isn't it? 

Does he make a point of criticizing these games often?

All the time,  Allan even called him out for it

[dreamgazer]

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think you should play the games, David.

Hang on. David has not actually played the games?

Why, is that important or something?

Modifié par dreamgazer, 31 octobre 2013 - 01:00 .

[Shya]

khariuade wrote...

mate let me say this. i hate those types of ending.. it always feels "forced" , i dont mind them being in the game but i want an ending where i get the cake and i get to eat it

e.g Survive, defeat villain, rainbows etc ;p

AGREE!

[SlottsMachine]

eluvianix wrote...

Hang on. David has not actually played the games?

^LOL. I love posts like these. ^

Modifié par General Slotts, 31 octobre 2013 - 01:05 .

[Br3admax]

That's not what you really meant though.