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Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 31 octobre 2013 - 01:19 .
Plus as a noble you know more about politics and landsmeets and how important one could be with Eamons voice. Teagan outright brings it up that he knew your father, along with other nobles you meet.TheBlackBaron wrote...
Redcliffe first makes perfect sense if you're playing as a human noble, I think. It's a reasonable enough supposition that Eamon would at least know of you, possibly giving you a leg up, and I deem it important to build up a faction of support for yourselves among the nobility and intercept the accusations of treason as fast as possible.
Moreover it's easily accessible, compared to Orzammar is a long way off from Lothering and who knows how long it could take to find a Daelish tribe that won't shoot you on site.
Even with other wardens I figure it or the Circle Tower to be the most rational first locations.
And with that, I shall resume letting you burn David.
Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 31 octobre 2013 - 01:32 .
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Lebdood wrote...
Some people here are stating that Redcliffe is the obvious first choice. I have to disagree.
A human-hating elf would definitely avoid talking to humans (and thus wouldn't learn about the arl being sick) and would jump straight to finding the Dalish.
Even a friendly Dalish might go looking for his own kin first. He would assume that all the elves would unite ( as they would during Arlathvhen ) to combat the Blight.
A selfish commoner dwarf may be looking to rub his status in the faces of nobles while relieving them of their valuables
A noble dwarf may be looking for absolution with regards to the state of his (former?) kingdom.
Etc...
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Welsh Inferno wrote...
I always went to the Circle first because from the rumors you hear in Lothering, it sounded like the one most in need or immediate help imo.
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In Exile wrote...
I actually make the same choice as Jimmy. Though with an elf I'll go for the Brecilian Forest or Denerim.
But I'm not an actual member of the Grey Wardens. I drank some blood and managed to live, but that is the extent of my Grey Warden-ness. I only ever spoke with two Grey Wardens, one of whom is dead and one of whom runs screaming from leadership.
And I have to save an entire country in the middle of a coup d'etat from an (apparently) unstoppable army of monsters. I have no reason to believe Alistair knows what he's talking about, and I certainly don't have a reason to believe that Eamon wasn't in on it with Loghain and kept his troops back to get a bigger slice of the pie.
We know that Teagan opposses Loghain through cutscene magic, but not through anything in-game.
Modifié par EntropicAngel, 31 octobre 2013 - 02:23 .
Modifié par shockky, 31 octobre 2013 - 02:29 .
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Modifié par Abraham_uk, 31 octobre 2013 - 02:35 .
Arl is sick vs. demons taking over the tower? The latter, I admit, seems a higher priority.EntropicAngel wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Er, just do the Circle before Redcliffe?
Alistair tells you it would be a better idea to go for Arl Eamon first. And, considering that you're a n00b with the weight of the world on your shoulders, and considering Arl Eamon is "sick" and might not be around much longer--I'm not sure how one can justify NOT going to Redcliffe immediately.
He does eventually.Zathrian doesn't agree.
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Xilizhra wrote...
Arl is sick vs. demons taking over the tower? The latter, I admit, seems a higher priority.He does eventually.Zathrian doesn't agree.
The Lothering gossips mention it.I said it elsewhere, but I'm not aware the character even KNOWS about the Circle if they go straight to Redcliffe.
Not from anything that matters to the party.And about Zathrian--no. You said sacrifice. He sacrifices himself. Thus another main quest mission requires sacrifice.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 31 octobre 2013 - 02:43 .
Thank you!LPPrince wrote...
I'm with you on that one. Good read.Estelindis wrote...
Mass Effect 3 gave a darker ending than either DA:O or DA2, which seemed from the start to be presented as darker universes. I think this is part of why the endings of DA:O and DA2 were more successful than ME3, because they were thematically appropriate.
Modifié par Estelindis, 31 octobre 2013 - 02:45 .
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Xilizhra wrote...
The Lothering gossips mention it.
Not from anything that matters to the party.
Also, the reason I destroy the Anvil is twofold. One, I may back Bhelen, but the guy's clearly a sleazeball and would have few if any compunctions about enslaving soldiers to become golems. Two, Branka's completely bat**** and I'd really rather not have her controlling something that powerful.
Mages are one of the components of the treaty, and the Circle is the only source of them.Alright. I'd maintain the point, however, that Grey Warden business, i.e. fixing the Blight>quelling a demon infestation.
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Xilizhra wrote...
Mages are one of the components of the treaty, and the Circle is the only source of them.
Yes, but he's not the only arl in the kingdom; he's certainly useful, but I would consider a demon invasion to be more important than illness, especially since his illness is apparently stable enough to send a whole bunch of knights out on a quest for a possibly mythical artifact.EntropicAngel wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Mages are one of the components of the treaty, and the Circle is the only source of them.
That's certainly true. Perhaps a better way to describe what I'm arguing is that going to Eamon might be considered a preparatory step.
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Xilizhra wrote...
Yes, but he's not the only arl in the kingdom; he's certainly useful, but I would consider a demon invasion to be more important than illness, especially since his illness is apparently stable enough to send a whole bunch of knights out on a quest for a possibly mythical artifact.
Yes, but I don't consider Alistair smart enough.EntropicAngel wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Yes, but he's not the only arl in the kingdom; he's certainly useful, but I would consider a demon invasion to be more important than illness, especially since his illness is apparently stable enough to send a whole bunch of knights out on a quest for a possibly mythical artifact.
Alistair mentions him as a...help, to gathering the armies--he's not just an Arl. I'd consider that importance enough, personally.
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Br3ad wrote...
Yes, but I don't consider Alistair smart enough.
Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 octobre 2013 - 03:24 .
Alistair has been a Grey Warden only briefly longer than when the Warden was recruited. He's no expert. Far from it. And if the only other Grey Warden is a nitwit, it doesn't suddenly make me trust him. He has a lack of just about everything that makes someone in his position useful except for the ability to swing a sword with his arm.EntropicAngel wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
Yes, but I don't consider Alistair smart enough.
Considering that you have only just been made a Grey Warden, and the only Grey Warden you know is giving you suggestions on how to go about gathering an army, I'm not sure you're (you, the Warden) in a position to say Alistair's intelligence is affecting his judgement.
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Br3ad wrote...
Alistair has been a Grey Warden only briefly longer than when the Warden was recruited. He's no expert. Far from it. And if the only other Grey Warden is a nitwit, it doesn't suddenly make me trust him. He has a lack of just about everything that makes someone in his position useful except for the ability to swing a sword with his arm.
You're perfectly able to. I won't knock you for it. But he seems stable, if the whole lengthy quest for a cure is any indication, and demon invasions I'm certain will never wait.Alistair mentions him as a...help, to gathering the armies--he's not just an Arl. I'd consider that importance enough, personally.
Conveniently, the templars owe no loyalty whatsoever to the crown.Going to the Circle is liable to have you executed by the Templar for being a traitor to the crown. After all, Loghain is spreading word that Grey Wardens killed the King. The fact that no-one believes them is nice but you don't know how others will react to your presence, the only option you've got that can help is Redcliffe because Alistair knows Eamon.
Is this the best argument the BSN can give me?
A simple question. Do you deny that there are ugly, weak, unintelligent, unskilled (in any and every combination) players who play attractive, competent, intelligent strong chracters in role playing games?
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