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[Iakus]

Br3ad wrote...

Yes. Every single Warden in Fereldan was there. Do you really think that there were only Duncan, Alistair, Jory, Daveth, and you? 

"Every single Warden in Ferelden" meaning about a dozen or so.  Wardens had only recently ben allowed back in Ferelden after they were expelled centuries earlier

[Kalas747]

Pseudocognition wrote...

the endless battle of Opinion A vs. Opinion A But Rephrased Incomprehensibly

A little bit of sophistry goes a long way.

[Br3admax]

iakus wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Yes. Every single Warden in Fereldan was there. Do you really think that there were only Duncan, Alistair, Jory, Daveth, and you? 

"Every single Warden in Ferelden" meaning about a dozen or so.  Wardens had only recently ben allowed back in Ferelden after they were expelled centuries earlier

Yes. I assumed about 36, using "We number only a few dozen, but ever Grey Warden in Fereldan is here."

[crimzontearz]

Kalas747 wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

the endless battle of Opinion A vs. Opinion A But Rephrased Incomprehensibly

A little bit of sophistry goes a long way.

yes but these opinions are now not on options and their validity but on the existence of other options at all

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I skimmed through about 4 posts on about 10 pages of the thread from 20 to 33. Yes I know that's 13 pages, but I left out three pages altogether. I'm having deja vu of the threads abounding in the Mass Effect 2 forum about the "tough choices" we should face going into Mass Effect 3.

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about tough choices. Why does it always have to be tough choices? Honestly I don't really care about tough choices. I have to make enough tough choice in real life. I don't want to make them in a game that I play for entertainment. Tough choices to me mean I'm going to be sitting there at the end of the game with a set of choices to make that no matter which one I make I'll be left feeling like **** afterward. Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

I like the way you think

[crimzontearz]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I skimmed through about 4 posts on about 10 pages of the thread from 20 to 33. Yes I know that's 13 pages, but I left out three pages altogether. I'm having deja vu of the threads abounding in the Mass Effect 2 forum about the "tough choices" we should face going into Mass Effect 3.

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about tough choices. Why does it always have to be tough choices? Honestly I don't really care about tough choices. I have to make enough tough choice in real life. I don't want to make them in a game that I play for entertainment. Tough choices to me mean I'm going to be sitting there at the end of the game with a set of choices to make that no matter which one I make I'll be left feeling like **** afterward. Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

So

Much

Right

[dreamgazer]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen.

That's an interesting way to encourage a reply.

And I agree, they are. But not in the way you've implied. 

[Fast Jimmy]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

 Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

If it makes you feel any better? I'd rather you did too.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 31 octobre 2013 - 06:49 .

[Mr.House]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That depends, very, very precisely on what exactly the 'something more' is.

For Rannoch, the player has to save Legion. Get Tali off without betraying her. Get the two to cooperate. Complete Legion's mission. Do all the geth missions before assault the base in ME 3.

All of those are...pretty obvious. At least I thought. And that's good.

In DAO there's the famous third option in Redcliffe.  There's a possessed child, and you can save everyone around him by killing him, or you can save the child by sacrificing his mother.

Or, if you like, you can save them both.

But the save them both option, when it is presented to you, looks like an extreme longshot.  There's no reason at all to believe it will work.  It's extremely reckless.

And I like that.  I like that the "best" option is the one you really shouldn't choose.

Sadly the best option did turn out to be the bets with no drawbacks even though there should have been

[Mr.House]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I skimmed through about 4 posts on about 10 pages of the thread from 20 to 33. Yes I know that's 13 pages, but I left out three pages altogether. I'm having deja vu of the threads abounding in the Mass Effect 2 forum about the "tough choices" we should face going into Mass Effect 3.

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about tough choices. Why does it always have to be tough choices? Honestly I don't really care about tough choices. I have to make enough tough choice in real life. I don't want to make them in a game that I play for entertainment. Tough choices to me mean I'm going to be sitting there at the end of the game with a set of choices to make that no matter which one I make I'll be left feeling like **** afterward. Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

Good endings can also be sad, tragic or tough. The notion that a good ending must be happy is folly.

[Fast Jimmy]

Mr.House wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I skimmed through about 4 posts on about 10 pages of the thread from 20 to 33. Yes I know that's 13 pages, but I left out three pages altogether. I'm having deja vu of the threads abounding in the Mass Effect 2 forum about the "tough choices" we should face going into Mass Effect 3.

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about tough choices. Why does it always have to be tough choices? Honestly I don't really care about tough choices. I have to make enough tough choice in real life. I don't want to make them in a game that I play for entertainment. Tough choices to me mean I'm going to be sitting there at the end of the game with a set of choices to make that no matter which one I make I'll be left feeling like **** afterward. Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

Good endings can also be sad, tragic or tough. The notion that a good ending must be happy is folly.

I think it is a fallacy that is widely believed because of an earlier discussion, that happy endings don't have to be as well written to be received well and that sad endings have to be written really well to not alienate the gamer. Which, by default of needing a lot of quality and care, makes them a rarity in the video game ending world.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I skimmed through about 4 posts on about 10 pages of the thread from 20 to 33. Yes I know that's 13 pages, but I left out three pages altogether. I'm having deja vu of the threads abounding in the Mass Effect 2 forum about the "tough choices" we should face going into Mass Effect 3.

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about tough choices. Why does it always have to be tough choices? Honestly I don't really care about tough choices. I have to make enough tough choice in real life. I don't want to make them in a game that I play for entertainment. Tough choices to me mean I'm going to be sitting there at the end of the game with a set of choices to make that no matter which one I make I'll be left feeling like **** afterward. Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

Ugh.

[Br3admax]

J. Reezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I skimmed through about 4 posts on about 10 pages of the thread from 20 to 33. Yes I know that's 13 pages, but I left out three pages altogether. I'm having deja vu of the threads abounding in the Mass Effect 2 forum about the "tough choices" we should face going into Mass Effect 3.

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about tough choices. Why does it always have to be tough choices? Honestly I don't really care about tough choices. I have to make enough tough choice in real life. I don't want to make them in a game that I play for entertainment. Tough choices to me mean I'm going to be sitting there at the end of the game with a set of choices to make that no matter which one I make I'll be left feeling like **** afterward. Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

Good endings can also be sad, tragic or tough. The notion that a good ending must be happy is folly.

Minato/Minako died for our sins.

WTF cares about Minako? 

[The Heretic of Time]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I skimmed through about 4 posts on about 10 pages of the thread from 20 to 33. Yes I know that's 13 pages, but I left out three pages altogether. I'm having deja vu of the threads abounding in the Mass Effect 2 forum about the "tough choices" we should face going into Mass Effect 3.

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about tough choices. Why does it always have to be tough choices? Honestly I don't really care about tough choices. I have to make enough tough choice in real life. I don't want to make them in a game that I play for entertainment. Tough choices to me mean I'm going to be sitting there at the end of the game with a set of choices to make that no matter which one I make I'll be left feeling like **** afterward. Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

Tough choices are the only really meaningful choices in games like these. What's the point of having a choice that has a very clear optimal solution that you can just pick right away, no prerequirements whatsoever? Such a choice isn't even really a choice, it's meaningless.

For example the ME2 suicide mission. Those decisions on which squad member you choose for which task; it's so f***ing obvious who you should choose for which task that it's not really a choice anymore. The game basically spells it out for you who you should pick, and picking anyone else is most certainly gonna lead to a less optimal ending with more dead squaddies and why would anyone choose that? Unless you dislike certain characters and deliberatly want to kill them off, I see no reason to pick anyone else for the Suicide Mission jobs other than the squaddies the game suggests you should choose.

Like I said, simple choices with very clear optimal solutions are meaningless. Tough choices are the only meaninfful choices.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 31 octobre 2013 - 07:15 .

[Br3admax]

dreamgazer wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen.

That's an interesting way to encourage a reply.

And I agree, they are. But not in the way you've implied. 

Yep, can smell the irony coming from this. 

[Dave of Canada]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

Except NV didn't have any good endings, it was all varying shades of personal opinion with pros and cons,

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 octobre 2013 - 07:13 .

[Barquiel]

Well, I absolutely loathe games that force a sad/unhappy ending on me (yes...I like my butterflies and rainbows ). Multiple endings with different tones? Sure! I mean...Jade Empire (you marry the princess/rule the land) and KOTOR (Star Wars medal ceremony) both let you achieve a classic happy ending, and I don't remember people complaining about it.

[Mr.House]

Br3ad wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I skimmed through about 4 posts on about 10 pages of the thread from 20 to 33. Yes I know that's 13 pages, but I left out three pages altogether. I'm having deja vu of the threads abounding in the Mass Effect 2 forum about the "tough choices" we should face going into Mass Effect 3.

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about tough choices. Why does it always have to be tough choices? Honestly I don't really care about tough choices. I have to make enough tough choice in real life. I don't want to make them in a game that I play for entertainment. Tough choices to me mean I'm going to be sitting there at the end of the game with a set of choices to make that no matter which one I make I'll be left feeling like **** afterward. Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

Good endings can also be sad, tragic or tough. The notion that a good ending must be happy is folly.

Minato/Minako died for our sins.

WTF cares about Minako? 

I do because I liked her more then Minato? Better s-links and more fun to play imo.

Still, Minato/Minako scream herosim.

[dreamgazer]

Br3ad wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen.

That's an interesting way to encourage a reply.

And I agree, they are. But not in the way you've implied. 

Yep, can smell the irony coming from this. 

Sorry, I had Mexican for lunch. It'll pass.

[Dave of Canada]

Mr.House wrote...

I do because I liked her more then Minato? Better s-links and more fun to play imo.

Still, Minato/Minako scream herosim.

Mass Destruction > Wiping All Out.

[SlottsMachine]

dreamgazer wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen.

That's an interesting way to encourage a reply.

And I agree, they are. But not in the way you've implied. 

Yep, can smell the irony coming from this. 

Sorry, I had Mexican for lunch. It'll pass.

Too much information! Also, I don't know why people automatically equate tough choices with grimdark. 

[Br3admax]

Mr.House wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I skimmed through about 4 posts on about 10 pages of the thread from 20 to 33. Yes I know that's 13 pages, but I left out three pages altogether. I'm having deja vu of the threads abounding in the Mass Effect 2 forum about the "tough choices" we should face going into Mass Effect 3.

I swear to god that Bioware has the whiniest and most emo fans of any single game company I've ever seen. I'm so sick and tired of hearing about tough choices. Why does it always have to be tough choices? Honestly I don't really care about tough choices. I have to make enough tough choice in real life. I don't want to make them in a game that I play for entertainment. Tough choices to me mean I'm going to be sitting there at the end of the game with a set of choices to make that no matter which one I make I'll be left feeling like **** afterward. Well f*** that. I'd rather play Call of Duty.

After Mass Effect 3, screw tough choices. Let's have a good ending. I could make such a choice in Fallout NV. I could side with the NCR, the Legion, Mr. House, or an Independent Vegas. Since I played the female courier, the it was never the Legion. Is the game perfect? No. Fun? Yes.

Good endings can also be sad, tragic or tough. The notion that a good ending must be happy is folly.

Minato/Minako died for our sins.

WTF cares about Minako? 

I do because I liked her more then Minato? Better s-links and more fun to play imo.

Still, Minato/Minako scream herosim.

Eh, I'm indifferent to everything.